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Kirby General Discussion Thread (fun edition)

TyranoDoom30 said:
But will they get actual upgrades to that tier?
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No.
Galactidot said:
Okay but what is it and what stops everyone from scaling to it? Will nobody scale, or only certain characters?
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You didn't see it? It's right below the "Line 644:" of the edit made to the page. You can see it if you gently scroll down twice, and then there is nothing after that.
 
Something that had me baffled were the changes in the Divine Terminus over time in Star Allies. I made a section about it in the Jambastion cult blog adding all the evidence about it, making a basic conclusion, and then giving some speculation about it separately (Raise your hand if you read it).

The last thing I wrote about it is "Maybe those many Hynesses in the parallel worlds shown in "Guest Star" indirectly opened the portal from which our Hyness fell off in the main universe." And now that I'm translating all Star Allies-related Twitter posts, I'm re-watching how this trailer for Heroes in Another Dimension starts with many Hynesses across those different Divine Terminuses making their prayers. I guess that supports that theory's narrative, but it's still just a theory.

On a more personal level, f*ck it, I believe all those Hynesses are canon and their combined prayers created the portals in Heroes in Another Dimension. So it wasn't our Hyness alone.
 
https://imgur.com/NBJmsfG

Another argument to use against the fan theory of Kirby being a reincarnation of Void. Void Termina's voice is a mix of 4 people's voices because he is a being who can turn into anything, yet Kirby's voice is always just Kirby's voice.
 
Should Drawcia's feat be 3-A? The original scans say that she was warping and painting in "every space" (Uchū in the raws which is cosmic space/universe) and that she was "turning everything into a world of painting" in the original japanese version of the ending
 
No, Uchū means "space", "universe", or "cosmos" depending on the context. And in the context of Drawcia drawing in "every space", it just means "space". Not "universe", it would be crazy if the game said that. Drawcia was drawing in "every space" around in the sense that there were no areas around not being affected by Drawcia, just to be properly descriptive.

Yes, she was "turning everything into a world of painting", but only in the sense that this was her goal. We don't know how much she actually managed to turn into a painting before Kirby chased her off. Heck, we don't even know for certain if she really wants to turn the universe into a painting, it's just a likely assumption.

Furthermore, we don't know for certain if this would scale to AP by itself, she's lucky to have also sent a wave destroying interstellar parts of the World of Paintings to complement her Tier.

For what is worth, Drawcia's feat are very weird, and it would not surprise me if she did actually turn the universe into a painting. I will tell you if she did in 10 years if I ever buy all the Jpn. guidebooks for her game. Based on the information we do have, we have to say she didn't do it.

The best argument you have is that statement saying that she turned the world (Sekai) itself into a painting, and "world" could potentially refer to the universe in this context. Couple that with her motivation being jealousy of "the real world", which is another word for reality itself.
 
Eficiente said:
No, Uchū means "space", "universe", or "cosmos" depending on the context. And in the context of Drawcia drawing in "every space", it just means "space". Not "universe", it would be crazy if the game said that. Drawcia was drawing in "every space" around in the sense that there were no areas around not being affected by Drawcia, just to be properly descriptive.
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Why did they use uchū anyway? If they meant just physical space they would've used kukan. The facy they used uchū instead does implies some kind of different feat than just space as in this case it would mean cosmic space.

Looking at some of the guidebooks and her japanese description in Rainbow Curse and the Dedede Dictionary entry, if anything she only seemed to target Dream Land


Eficiente said:
Furthermore, we don't know for certain if this would scale to AP by itself, she's lucky to have also sent a wave destroying interstellar parts of the World of Paintings to complement her Tier.
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What about her being made out of paint and being capable of using it for attacks? Could this mean her abilities should also scale to her physicals?
 
TyranoDoom30 said:
Why did they use uchū anyway? If they meant just physical space they would've used kukan. The facy they used uchū instead does implies some kind of different feat than just space as in this case it would mean cosmic space.
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Uchū is used all the time to say "space" in the same way we say "space" w/o meaning to say the universe. In a VS Debates, I'm sure you heard somewhere that "it always means universe", but that's just not true, that's just people not knowing what they say removing nuance to make higher interpretations of feats seem definitive.

You can't really blame the game for not using a word that's synonymous with "space", the fact that it is synonymous with "space" means you have nothing to blame them for. We form sentences with words that have many meanings unrelated to what we were saying all the time, and understanding the correct meaning is still super easy.
TyranoDoom30 said:
Looking at some of the guidebooks and her japanese description in Rainbow Curse and the Dedede Dictionary entry, if anything she only seemed to target Dream Land
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That's certainly what HAL remembers 3 out of 4 times, that's why I made a section in a blog explaining her feat. This is the updated version we don't use yet.

If you had over 20 villains and had to remember her plot, how likely do you did think it would be to only remember a basic idea of what she did? The penultimate level technically shows she affected interstellar areas of reality, and they may think of that when creating the level, but years later not so much. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.
TyranoDoom30 said:
What about her being made out of paint and being capable of using it for attacks? Could this mean her abilities should also scale to her physicals?
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That would only matter if the paint of her attacks were part of her body. And that's only the case when she rips parts of herself in a way we can see on-screen. Transforming other things into paint is not the same.

I mean, if you could turn a building into flesh and bones, you wouldn't necessarily scale to building level.
 
Actually, wasn’t there some kind of yap about some fundamental aspects of the Kirbyverse that was like, Heart, Star, Dark, and like one other thing in Star Allies or something? It would be cool if they expand it more, not only for lore but also so we can have UES slop in Kirby perhaps.
 
UES? What do you mean?

Something vaguely like that, I made a comment about it in this thread. See all things about it here:

vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Eficiente/Kirby:_Glossary#Substance And in its following sections.

They are not "some fundamental aspects", they're more like the DNI of the creatures in the series. In such a way that even souls and dreams have it. It's really nothing special.

In my next big revisions (Which will take forever to make), I plan to grant those who can harm Void Termina's 4rd phase "possibly" the ability harm "dreams" and "heart" in their NPI. This is because Void Termina's soul holds all the substances and he is a "substance-like" being, so you could argue affecting him is the same as being able to affect his substances. But most likely, they may be inside of him in such a way that affecting his soul has nothing to do with affecting his substances.

(You may have seen verses where the composition of something has fancy word A, fancy word B, and so on. And then anyone able to affect that ends up gaining "fancy word A manipulation", "fancy word B manipulation", and so on. This will be like that, except reasonable.)
 
Is paint in Kirby important like some type of concept? Given how without colors the world is lifeless and all as seen in Rainbow Curse
 
Nah, Claycia just has crazy abilities like that. In a battle royale with all final bosses, she / her possessed version has a chance of winning if she starts with that move.
 
I finished editing Void Termina's profile. My last revisions are almost done. However, before I post the CRT for Air Riders, there is something I didn't finish with it, something I would be lucky to delegate bc I got kinda tired of researching myself:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Eficiente/Kirby_Air_Riders_explanations#Zorah's_age

See that section of the blog? It's supposed to give a minimum estimate of the timeframe in which each change in the background occurs, being backed up by real sources. I was having issues finding the latter.

The total sum obviously result in a minimum age for Zorah. And this would retroactively scale to Void, as Zorah is a machine who had to have creators, and those creators would descend from a Void, whose the original ancestor.
 
Hell yeah, Nova wasn't evil. Its character wasn't ruined. Now I need to edit some pages to keep up with this new information from the lastest interview.
 
What are the levels of skill slop? I was looking at Zero and Sonic's page and i thought if we could document the bare minimum. Also i wonder if we could put more evidence of the characters growing stronger like Kirby beating a Possessed Dedede as an introductory boss with the Dark Rimur trio probably being just as strong as Dark Matter, which could also imply Whispy Woods, being the actual first real boss, would be superior to that Dedede

Also, do we got multiplier statements like "twofold", "many times", etc?
 
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TyranoDoom30 said:
What are the levels of skill slop? I was looking at Zero and Sonic's page and i thought if we could document the bare minimum.
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I liked how Zero's profile has that, I didn't like how Sonic's profile last time I saw it. We can have something similar, but it's not a priority when there is so much to do. I can evaluate proposals like that any day though, since that's easier than to create things myself.
TyranoDoom30 said:
Also i wonder if we could put more evidence of the characters growing stronger like Kirby beating a Possessed Dedede as an introductory boss with the Dark Rimur trio probably being just as strong as Dark Matter, which could also imply Whispy Woods, being the actual first real boss, would be superior to that Dedede
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Um, you might wanna read the incomplete Dark Matter blog. The only thing in it right now.

Also, even then, the Dark Rimur trio might have been born the moment the black mass split them to chase Ribbon, we don't know. Meanwhile Dark Matter was older, going to conquer places on his own.
TyranoDoom30 said:
Also, do we got multiplier statements like "twofold", "many times", etc?
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No, we don't. I wouldn't miss something like that, and I have seen pretty much all Kirby sources available to fans.

About that, btw, I actually found a place where I would be able to buy Jpn. guides and such for the series in a convenient capacity. I need to turn some things around before I start doing that, but you can all expect me to buy at least 1 in less than a year.
 
I finished applying the last revisions. Let's go back to this comment:
Eficiente said:
before I post the CRT for Air Riders, there is something I didn't finish with it, something I would be lucky to delegate bc I got kinda tired of researching myself:

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Eficiente/Kirby_Air_Riders_explanations#Zorah's_age

See that section of the blog? It's supposed to give a minimum estimate of the timeframe in which each change in the background occurs, being backed up by real sources. I was having issues finding the latter.

The total sum obviously result in a minimum age for Zorah. And this would retroactively scale to Void, as Zorah is a machine who had to have creators, and those creators would descend from a Void, whose the original ancestor.
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Would anyone give a hand?

Aside from that, I just need to write some stuff about the riders' Copy Abilities, fix the Nova stuff, and little more.
 
I'm thankful Kirby, a space-themed character, didn't make a cameo in a certain awful space-themed movie full of cameos. Maybe Kumazaki had to do some gatekeeping there.
 
So how should we treat the 10 Kirbys as having 1/10th of the power of the original? They seem to be capable of defeating both Dedede and Necrodeus, the latter which Daroach fears, and in Kirby Quest, Galaxia can one shot Dark Matter who can fight with the 10 Kirbys

So should we say Mass Attack Kirby is 10x times stronger than before or say that there wasn't any multiplier?
 
The 10 Kirby were stated to have each 1/10 of his power, yes. There is not much to it tho, you aim to go to the fights with 10 Kirbys, and some may die along the way. It's not meaningfully different than how Kirby fights, who can take damage along the way as long as he doesn't die.

Galaxia is weird in that game. We fight Meta Knight right before it, and he's pretty regular. Then we fight a giant-sized Galaxia, which may be a tad stronger than its regular-sized self. The "10 times stronger" you say comes out of nowhere. There is nothing special about a Kirby level character fighting 10 Kirbys each with 1/10th of his regular power. Being able to one-shot someone who can do that, being able to one-shot any regular Kirby level character, it's the same. It's also a rpg-styled fight in which what we see may not be 1-to-1 with what's actually happening, in unknown ways. At best, sure, the giant-sized Galaxia may be a tad stronger than its regular-sized self.
 
Eficiente said:
There is nothing special about a Kirby level character fighting 10 Kirbys each with 1/10th of his regular power
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A 7 times difference alone is an one shot. These Kirbys can fight with Necrodeus without being 1/10th of their power, and Necrodeus' first move was to use his splitting spell, implying that Kirby is superior to him. That would mean Kirby's full power in Mass Attack is 10x times superior to before
 
TyranoDoom30 said:
A 7 times difference alone is an one shot. These Kirbys can fight with Necrodeus without being 1/10th of their power, and Necrodeus' first move was to use his splitting spell, implying that Kirby is superior to him. That would mean Kirby's full power in Mass Attack is 10x times superior to before
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Yeah man I don't follow
 
TyranoDoom30 said:
A 7 times difference alone is an one shot. These Kirbys can fight with Necrodeus without being 1/10th of their power, and Necrodeus' first move was to use his splitting spell, implying that Kirby is superior to him. That would mean Kirby's full power in Mass Attack is 10x times superior to before
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It doesn't imply anything meaningful. He had a hax, he used it. That's that. It makes him a moderately competent villain at the moment he did that. Not that he is a competent villain, Kirby escaped being erased by walking away really fast, and then Necrodeus didn't erase the Kirbys on the rematch.

Let's break this down:
  • If Necrodeus was weaker than Kirby, could he use his splitting spell? True.
  • If Necrodeus was equal to Kirby, could he use his splitting spell? Also true.
  • If Necrodeus was stronger than Kirby, could he use his splitting spell? Also true.
  • If Necrodeus didn't know how strong he was next to Kirby, could he use his splitting spell? Also true as well.
And then they fought, and Necrodeus took damage from the 10 Kirbys a few times, showing he's comparable to regular Kirby. But the way you portray it, you already have the proof you need for the multipliers, so the rematch consolidates that power rather than serving as proof against it. This is greedy.

I sincerely hope this serves to illustrate the flaws on the approach and help you improve.
 
I finished the Self-Resurrection explained blog I had since 2023. It will be proposed in the next big CRT for the series. My final conclusion was to give most characters Low-Godly, and only possibly Mid-Godly regen. Only Void Termina would be given a possible ability to negate it. Give it a read and comment your thoughts here if you want.
 
Is there any conclusive evidence to say that Morpho Knight of Star Allies and Forgotten Land are the same person?
 
No. They are all but confirmed to be different people. Some descriptions talking about the butterfly say that there are many of them, as the profile points out. That just kills all trust on the idea that they would be the same. Furthermore, there is no evidence to believe they would be able to turn back into a butterfly from their Morpho Knight form, and even if they could (Which is possible), that guy should be able to use his EX form, which is stronger and he gained via training in Star Allies.
 
I was hearing support for that Kirby vs Ditto MU and it got me thinking: 1 argument used proposes that Ditto could nullify Kirby's use of items with certain moves. And then I realized this wouldn't actually work on the setient items Kirby carries, since they are living beings that trigger themselves on their own over Kirby. Most notably, Team Kirby's Gem Apples are setient, and their ability is pretty broken. This made me edit the Sandbox to better reflect that.

I find the MU terrible and I don't support it at all, btw.
 
Apologies if this is a bad place to ask (this is the first time I've used the forum; did my best to lurk around before posting to get an idea of proper etiquette~😊), but I was looking through Landia's profile and noticed that it was listed as "male". This caught my eye as I didn't know they had a canonical gender.

I decided to consult WiKirby, and to my intrigue...
  • In English, Landia is referred to as "it" in most appearances, but is also referred to as both "it" and "he" in Team Kirby Clash Deluxe and Super Kirby Clash.
    • In German, Landia is alternately referred to as male or female.
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I went ahead and verifed that this is indeed true. Due to Landia's gender not being absurdly obvious, would a gender scan/citation be worth noting on the page...? And if so, is Landia ever gendered in the Japanese version of the game or is this just a localization error?

P.S.: My most sincere apologies if someone else has brought this up before.
 
Yes, you can use this thread to bring up things like that. You could have also created a Questions and Answers therad with the "Kirby (Series)" and "Landia" tags, but it's such a minor topic that it's better to just deal with it here.

Yeah, Landia's gender should be changed to "Unknown, sometimes male in the English localization (Referred to with a gender-ambiguous presentation in the original Japanese texts. In the English localization, the main Landia is referred to as "it" in all its appearances, and the Landia from the Dream Kingdom's reality is referred to with "it" and male pronouns)"
 
Eficiente said:
Yes, you can use this thread to bring up things like that. You could have also created a Questions and Answers therad with the "Kirby (Series)" and "Landia" tags, but it's such a minor topic that it's better to just deal with it here.

Yeah, Landia's gender should be changed to "Unknown, sometimes male in the English localization (Referred to with a gender-ambiguous presentation in the original Japanese texts. In the English localization, the main Landia is referred to as "it" in all its appearances, and the Landia from the Dream Kingdom's reality is referred to with "it" and male pronouns)"
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Thanks for the quick response. 😄(y)
 
Nova can block the sun on Skyah? I don't see any source anywhere talking about this or videos showing it other than that post.

Edit: Seems like that's nothing. The map gets dark on its own when you go beyond the edges, and it turns out Nova moves around like that? I wonder if Nova moved there because the map would get dark.
 
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