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Any good/notable feats?
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Elden Ring General Discussion
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Chritin
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Adel has a good LS feat, and Caligo's true size is likely a better feat than the 7-A of the demigods.
It's somewhat difficult to say. Generally speaking, probably. It's implied that the "formless master" of the nightfarers is actually likely Marika in some incorporeal state, which would mean that the Greater Will is still indifferent to the existence of the night. If you interpret it to be the Greater Will itself, however, then its fairly likely that the two forces are more relative.
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I mean considering that the gaints that walk about limgrave on the second night are no where as big as caligo's single eye (in her true form) and those by themselves would be in that low 7-b to 7-B range I'd say that true form caligo would likely be in those 6-C to high 6-C ranges maybe even 6-b.
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Is the eye in the back being caligo’s true form a confirmed thing? I know her description mentions people saw her eyes, but they mention the eyes as a pair, there’s only one eye in the back.
Speaking of Caligo, her making that hella thick blizzard during her raid seems like an impressive feat, especially considering she does it while asleep.
Speaking of Caligo, her making that hella thick blizzard during her raid seems like an impressive feat, especially considering she does it while asleep.
Chritin
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The form of Caligo we/the one described in the hunt description is not the true form of Caligo. It is only the dragon which is described as the shadowy pair of eyes. In actuality, however, Caligo exists on her phantasmal peak. It's implied then that the eye we see is her true self, a reflection of how people ordinarily see her eyes peering through fog.
Yeah, tbh it's easy to calc, i just need a size map of limveld. It's probably only 1-1.5 km^2 though, so it'll probably just stay stuck as a 7-C to 7-B feat like all the others. Her fog in her own arena may even be more impressive considering how big it is.
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Elden Ring cosmology rework is done, and once I finish the scaling blog they'll go in a crt. Let me know if I'm missing anything in the first big section of this sandbox.
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Post Rot Radahn should just be 7-A, likely High 4-C without the At least.Elden Ring cosmology rework is done, and once I finish the scaling blog they'll go in a crt. Let me know if I'm missing anything in the first big section of this sandbox.
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Also I don't see why Malenia would be stronger during the shattering than now. Like the pride thing doesn't sound like it makes a stat difference at all.
I don't think second bloom Malenia is necessarily superior to Rykard. Probably just roughly comparable but doesn't really matter considering both upscale from the same value.
Shouldn't cosmic forces like the moon upscale from the Gods or am I missing smthn.
Some of the links are also broken. Besides that, everything else looks solid.
Though where do the nightrrign characters generally scale?
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I think he should be listed as such on there, if not I'll fix that.
I agree it is somewhat up in the air as to whether or not Malenia is weaker or stronger in phase one than he shattering self. I think it mostly came from convenience of scaling other characters. For example, the Tarnished can face Mohg at relatively the same time as Malenia, implying that their boss fights should be somewhat similar in power. As a matter of fact, the Tarnished likely faces Mohg after Malenia, since their dialogue with Gideon implies as such. However, if Phase One Malenia is similar to her Shattering self, then it would make the fight with Mohg an absolute wash relatively speaking. It makes more sense to me that since Malenia has been asleep since the shattering, basically KO'd by her own rot, then she would be weaker initially when we face her.
The specific statement on Rykard being above Malenia comes from the strategy guide where it states he was closest to become a god before the shattering. However, this does not take into account events of the game itself, which is why both Malenia's second bloom (her phase 2) and Messmer's phase 2 are both above him.
Probably? We just have such little info on the Moon and the like.
As an aside, the scaling aspect is not finished and I'm mostly having people look at the cosmology
Nightreign characters mostly get scaling off of Morgott and Mohg, since they are the two strongest base game characters the Nightfarers can face. They have some unique feats of their own, such as Adel having Class G LS and Caligo possibly having her own Tier 6 feat. Beyond that though, the Heolstor and the Night itself get some of their own high tier scaling off of basically being a Frenzied Flame level outer god.
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I'm not sure why Mohg would be so much weaker than Malenia. Especially since nobody knew what the hell Mohg was even up to during the shattering.
I mean it doesn't exactly contradict what I said. I don't think it necessarily equates to an upscale, just them all being on roughly comparable levels.
Chritin
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It's not really upscaling as much as it is I believe Malenia outclasses Rykard over the progress of her fight with the Tarnished.
Rykard gained the power of the serpent during the shattering, and achieved the closest level of godhood. Malenia, similarly was the strongest demigod of the shattering next to Radahn and surpassed him when he scarlet flower bloomed. During the shattering, they are roughly equal since they are both partial gods. However, once Malenia blooms again, she achieves even more of her godly powers, with it only taking three for her to become a true god.
Considering the fact that they were similar around the time of shattering, and that Malenia gets a boost while Rykard doesn't, I'm inclined to say that she does end up surpassing him once she gets her second bloom.
Fair, I'll probably combine them then
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To be fair, other than the boss, that's probably one of the more fun Dungeons in the game.
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And with an extremely neat summon at that. Kristoff is still one of the best for me but Ogha is great to.
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ELDEN RING NIGHTREIGN – Patch Notes Version 1.03.2
Balance Adjustments and Feature Updates - Nightfarers Adjustments - Duchess: Adjusted the visibility of the phantom when Duchess's skill "Restage" is triggered, Guardian: Increased damage negation for physical and various elemental attacks, Increased Guard Boost when guarding.
New patch notes.
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Is it me or Sony is purposefully ignoring Bloodborne and kind of ******** on it?wish they could add bloodborne bosses i hate sony
Mbpoops
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Have to be cause theres no way they’re gate keeping a game this hard
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Huh, didn't know that the Nightlords like Gladius can enslave the demigods, that's kinda messed up lelElden Ring cosmology rework is done, and once I finish the scaling blog they'll go in a crt. Let me know if I'm missing anything in the first big section of this sandbox.
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Chritin
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Yeah, Morgott is basically trapped believing he still fighting those who seek to destroy the Golden Order and the Erdtree, when in actuality he is being controlled by those who did.
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All concepts that can be manipulated by the elden ring only apply to the lands between right? Like the rune of death being locked away didn't stop Godfrey from dying in the badlands or the people who layed with the deathbed companions from dying.
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No. This is actually apart of my CRT, but there is evidence that it has universal influence. In Ranni's ending, according to the Japanese dialogue, her goal was to bring the Elden Ring out into the cosmos via her Dark Moon and describes it as being "infinitely far away". She expressly notes that this does not remove the influence of the Elden Ring, but rather makes it control so distant that the ambitions of people will not influence it. Basically, it has Universal range, but it's so far that no one else can mess with it.
In terms of how things like death can occur outside of the Lands Between, I think it's simply an extension of how death in the Lands Between itself is frankly still somewhat active despite its removal. The removal of death did not completely stop a kind of death from occurring, but specifically halted true death of both the body and soul permanently. Souls still exist upon death, and life is continually recycled through the Erdtree.
With Nightreign, there is also evidence that the influence of the removal of death affects other lands. Specifically, Ironeye and his Fellowship are Those Who Live In Death. We also know that the Ironeye himself likely does not hail from the Lands Between (although his ancestors might have) since he discusses in his journal having to actual travel to the Limveld from wherever the Fellowship is headquartered.
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Well there goes my theory that the guidance of grace could ressurect the tarnished from anywhere, even when death exists, which would be why they can ressurect after the rune of death is released.
Chritin
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Oh, grace still probably does resurrect the Tarnished. I remember Qaw had his gripes with it, but it's pretty blatant that Grace does resurrect the Tarnished at least initially.
Make no mistake, Death is messed up in the world of ER. Souls don't just cease when they die, and neither does the body really. Grace helped to basically bring the Tarnished back in their own form, rather than resurrecting over a crazy long period of time like the Erdtree.
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Elden Ring: Cosmology Redux
So yeah, I finally finished it. A little while ago, this cosmology page was agreed upon as a basis for Elden Ring. While I had my gripes back then, there was nothing earth-shatteringly wrong about it so to speak. However, I still saw fit to do my part and revamp the entire thing. Over a year...
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anyone have the measurements for the size of the drakes? I was thinking of trying to calc the power of that one attack where they fly into the air and come crashing back down.
Wouldn’t be all that strong to use for the wiki page but just for fun.
Though I guess you could potentially use the calc for the Giant Drake corpse in the Realm of Shadow. Might be pretty powerful
Wouldn’t be all that strong to use for the wiki page but just for fun.
Though I guess you could potentially use the calc for the Giant Drake corpse in the Realm of Shadow. Might be pretty powerful
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Chritin
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I can try and pull it sometime soon for you.
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With the submission of my cosmology blog, thought I'd just give a minor update on where I think things should go for ER to sort of put a bow on it for the time being. These will be sequential with some thoughts given too.
1. The Scaling Blog - Originally, my cosmology page had a companion scaling blog that would go along with it. This kind of fell through for the time being for a few reasons. Firstly, the Nightreign strategy guide is bound to clear up a lot of stuff about Nightreign's boss strength, so waiting for that release later in February is ideal. A portion of the page is contingent on a few calcs I haven't had time to finish, including but not limited too.
2. Addenda - There are some things I've considered adding or editing on pre-existing pages for ER. These include references for the spells and ashes of war page, some less vital sections that didn't make it into the cosmology page, or some secret third thing. TL;DR though, this step is just clean-up.
3. The Tarnished Page - The big kahuna, the final major bit of ER's wiki presence that needs to be completed. Once this is finished, I think the verse is solid enough to not demand immediate attention, and I can move on to some other things. Granted, this and all the other steps may take a couple months to another year to finish (my academics are kicking my ass currently), but I hope that at least puts it all into perspective and gives you guys a roadmap for what I'm thinking.
EDIT (A secret 4th step): I suppose you could also include fixing Dark Souls on the agenda for a possible synthesis between the two verses (like adding keys to DS characters), but that's a whole other beast I'd tackle for DS's sake.
1. The Scaling Blog - Originally, my cosmology page had a companion scaling blog that would go along with it. This kind of fell through for the time being for a few reasons. Firstly, the Nightreign strategy guide is bound to clear up a lot of stuff about Nightreign's boss strength, so waiting for that release later in February is ideal. A portion of the page is contingent on a few calcs I haven't had time to finish, including but not limited too.
- Caligo's true form size (most of the data for this is collected, I just need a specific screenshot from the ED Caligo fight I can't get right now)
- Metyr's tanking her quasar/the power and speed of it (A reoccurring thorn in my size considering the fact I don't have access to Metyr's model)
- Rykard's Size & LS (Also includes vital scaling on the high end for the God Devouring serpent)
- Some kind of consistent speed calc (probably just gonna be the dragons grabbing lightning, but I still need measurements on that)
2. Addenda - There are some things I've considered adding or editing on pre-existing pages for ER. These include references for the spells and ashes of war page, some less vital sections that didn't make it into the cosmology page, or some secret third thing. TL;DR though, this step is just clean-up.
3. The Tarnished Page - The big kahuna, the final major bit of ER's wiki presence that needs to be completed. Once this is finished, I think the verse is solid enough to not demand immediate attention, and I can move on to some other things. Granted, this and all the other steps may take a couple months to another year to finish (my academics are kicking my ass currently), but I hope that at least puts it all into perspective and gives you guys a roadmap for what I'm thinking.
EDIT (A secret 4th step): I suppose you could also include fixing Dark Souls on the agenda for a possible synthesis between the two verses (like adding keys to DS characters), but that's a whole other beast I'd tackle for DS's sake.
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I'll just hand you my sandbox for this.
Chritin
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Oh we got one already. Qaw and I were building upon yours for a bit before we decided it was better to do holistic work.
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Ah I see, cool. Can u link plz
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Okay going off Zullie's video, the giant drake corpse in Jagged Peak is about 10.7 times larger than the regular drakes, with the Drake coprse being 392 Meters in length, dividing by 10.7 gives Agheel and the other named drakes a length of 36.6325514 Meters, or ~120.186 Ft. Well over the size of the largest blue whale.
Oddly enough doing the same with Gransax's size puts Ancient Dragons at 1 foot smaller than their lesser descendants, wouldn't have expected that
But yeah the calc for agheel diving to the ground just ended up being in the higher end of Building Level, was fun to calc though.
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I do have a question though (could be the wrong place to ask idk if theres a general soulsborne thread) would rom not qualify for HDE? We see ebritas near his corpse and its stated numerous times that great ones ascend to a higher plane of existence. Since we dont know much abt the plane it wouldnt be tierable but it should at least be qualified for HDE.
Chritin
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Granted, I don't know how the sizes stack up exactly since I think Zullie has mentioned before that some models can't be stretched out to be measured accurately. Overall though that does kind of make sense, since the Ancient Dragons are generally taller and bulkier while the drakes are longer and flatter.
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There is a unique fromsoftware thread here and a bloodborne thread here for future reference.
In general though, this a is a whole thing with Bloodborne. HDE is kind of hard to define for the verse because of the lack of clarification on the "higher planes" of the great ones are. Personally, I've done some digging into the cosmology of Bloodborne and come to my own conclusions that I would like to make into a thread eventually, but Elden Ring demand most of my attention for now.
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Aaaaah i see understandable then and ty
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Should resurrection be added to Maliketh's profile? Primarily asking 'cause of something Blaidd does.
If you try to kill Blaidd before doing Ranni's quest before she kills the Two Fingers, Blaidd will say you're strong but say theres no use in trying to harm a shadow, and the next time you rest at a Grace, Blaidd's back good as new.
Seems like Shadows are able to come back as many times as they die unless something happens to their Empyreans Two Fingers. Granted something might've happened to Marika's already, so if he did have resurrection it would be a former ability.
If you try to kill Blaidd before doing Ranni's quest before she kills the Two Fingers, Blaidd will say you're strong but say theres no use in trying to harm a shadow, and the next time you rest at a Grace, Blaidd's back good as new.
Seems like Shadows are able to come back as many times as they die unless something happens to their Empyreans Two Fingers. Granted something might've happened to Marika's already, so if he did have resurrection it would be a former ability.
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