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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Imo they should add a category between dragon or higher and God threat level like I always thought but I doubt it will happen unless there are major changes to the manga
 
Raiden38 said:
Imo they should add a category between dragon or higher and God threat level like I always thought but I doubt it will happen unless there are major changes to the manga
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And who would be a suitable character to fit into this theoretical category? Someone higher than Above Dragon and lower than God???
 
EnderLord8 said:
And who would be a suitable character to fit into this theoretical category? Someone higher than Above Dragon and lower than God???
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Yes
just to create an intermediate category between dragon and god so as to make the dragon level (imo rightly) more common given the now large presence of dragon levels in manga and webcomics and to create a category for those characters who are extremely stronger than dragon and above dragon levels but who do not reach the divine threat levels
 
If I were in charge, I'd change the description to be like this:
Wolf to Dragon: Keeps being the same

Global/Terra/Whateverfitshere Threat: What God is rn.
  • Characters that'd qualify being Boros, Orochi, Psykorochi, Evil Ocean Water, Gargoyle Garou and maybe those beasts Blast is constantly fighting and that Saitama one punched.

God Threat: A threat to the existence of all the cosmos as we know it. Basically characters that can do something similar to this Majin Buu feat or better.
  • Characters that'd qualify: God (obviously, though now he lacks feats), Cosmic Garou and pre-retcon Empty Void.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Dragon Level threats are so exploited right now that there is almost no hype for them
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I couldn't agree more. I have no clue what's going on in ONE's head right now as he introduces 10 dragon level threats every chapter. Dragon levels used to be rare, they used to only appear as the big bosses (cadres) or portrayed as a threat on a completely different scale from the demon levels (like Elder Centipede appearing right after Senior Centipede and completely dwarfing it in scale). Even their designs were quite unique compared to the average demon level. Now, they feel like fodder just like the demon threats.
 
EnderLord8 said:
So guys, what's the deal? Do we consider Orochi unknown or a Dragon?
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Even if those wikis call him "dragon" level, it is meaningless if the source isn't the interview/stream of Murata. (Or if they didn't give any reasonable source)

If they linked it as their source, it might be fine. Otherwise, it isn't really meaningful. It'd be better to have the full quote of that moment.
 
MrTayman616 said:
Even if those wikis call him "dragon" level, it is meaningless if the source isn't the interview/stream of Murata. (Or if they didn't give any reasonable source)

If they linked it as their source, it might be fine. Otherwise, it isn't really meaningful. It'd be better to have the full quote of that moment.
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Wikis aren't the primary source for this; I've already pointed that out, man. Murata says, "That's true, dragon or higher... no, dragon itself." He initially says Orochi is Dragon or Higher, but then corrects himself, saying Orochi is Dragon-level.
 
EnderLord8 said:
Wikis aren't the primary source for this; I've already pointed that out, man. Murata says, "That's true, dragon or higher... no, dragon itself." He initially says Orochi is Dragon or Higher, but then corrects himself, saying Orochi is Dragon-level.
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It is meaningless without an actual proof that that is what he said. Do you have the full quote or anything? Or that moment of the stream etc.
 
MrTayman616 said:
It is meaningless without an actual proof that that is what he said. Do you have the full quote or anything? Or that moment of the stream etc.
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First, why do we classify Orochi as an Above Dragon? Because of a statement by Murata that we took from the wiki translation of one of his statements.

Second, there are mentions in several places that Murata's statement is incomplete, with "That's true, dragon or higher... no, dragon itself" being the full version, which casts doubt on the wiki translation from which we took the statement.

Third, the original livestream was deleted, and so far I haven't found any other place where the transcript or a copy of the livestream is available. However, the second point calls the first point into question, meaning that Orochi has no direct statement that can confirm that he is an official Above Dragon, especially since, as far as I've seen, everything points to the phrase "That's true, dragon or higher... no, dragon itself" being more accurate.

Fourth, this literally casts doubt on several translated statements on the OPM wiki, as it seems this isn't the only translation error that has been made, as far as I've researched.

Note: There's a statement from One that says Orochi is a Dragon, but I haven't investigated that statement yet.
 
EnderLord8 said:
First, why do we classify Orochi as an Above Dragon? Because of a statement by Murata that we took from the wiki translation of one of his statements.
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Wiki translations that is directly from streams. They're proven to be reliable and all of them are from a time where Murata's streams were accessible.
EnderLord8 said:
Second, there are mentions in several places that Murata's statement is incomplete, with "That's true, dragon or higher... no, dragon itself" being the full version, which casts doubt on the wiki translation from which we took the statement.
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Like where? If there are several places that shows the statement is incomplete, it can be argued. It's meaningless to just say "it's incomplete" without any evidence.
EnderLord8 said:
Third, the original livestream was deleted, and so far I haven't found any other place where the transcript or a copy of the livestream is available.
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The original livestream's deleted, yes. Just enter the wiki, press "history", look at the date. It's not something like "Those were weirdly added to the wiki 5 years after Murata's streams were deleted" but directly from the time he was streaming.
EnderLord8 said:
However, the second point calls the first point into question, meaning that Orochi has no direct statement that can confirm that he is an official Above Dragon, especially since, as far as I've seen, everything points to the phrase "That's true, dragon or higher... no, dragon itself" being more accurate.
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Rather than saying it, showing actual proof is better for your claims.

I can just say "Murata later said God level" and it would currently be just as reliable as yours, just being said without any supporting evidence along with it.
EnderLord8 said:
Fourth, this literally casts doubt on several translated statements on the OPM wiki, as it seems this isn't the only translation error that has been made, as far as I've researched.
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Most of the quotes of the streams exist in other blogs, in different languages as well. The date is also reliable as all of them were added while the streams were ongoing and accessible.

Without showing proof, you're not really giving a reason to doubt the wiki. Just link it here if you have proof and we can check them.
 
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MrTayman616 said:
Like where? If there are several places that shows the statement is incomplete, it can be argued. It's meaningless to just say "it's incomplete" without any evidence.
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I haven't posted it here yet because I'm in the middle of an investigation; I'll add it later.
MrTayman616 said:
The original livestream's deleted, yes. Just enter the wiki, press "history", look at the date. It's not something like "Those were weirdly added to the wiki 5 years after Murata's streams were deleted" but directly from the time he was streaming.
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Are you talking about the One Punch Man wiki?
MrTayman616 said:
Rather than saying it, showing actual proof is better for your claims.

I can just say "Murata later said God level" and it would currently be just as reliable as yours, just being said without any supporting evidence along with it.
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Are there already some links on the previous page or something? Anyway, if you want the sources where I got this information, I can provide them later. I'm still racking my brain trying to find the original transcripts/translations, finding anything related to rigel-rigel; one of the translators is proving difficult.
MrTayman616 said:
Most of the quotes of the streams exist in other blogs, in different languages as well. The date is also reliable as all of them were added while the streams were ongoing and accessible.

Without showing proof, you're not really giving a reason to doubt the wiki. Just link it here if you have proof and we can check them.
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Well, I'll do that later, I need to get organized first, since I accessed a mountain of different links, but if you want to take a look on your own in the meantime, I suggest searching "Orochi One Punch Man Wiki" or "Orochi One Punch Man profile" in Japanese, since I remember finding a blog yesterday that pointed out that Orochi was a Dragon-level disaster and not Above Dragon, bringing up this point. But if you want to wait, I'll make a compilation of the links I found regarding this.
 
Anyway, here's a link to a Japanese/Corean website that points out that Orochi is Dragon and not "Dragon or Higher":

怪人王オロチ

파일:오로찌.jpg ワンパンマン に登場する怪人。 詳細 ワンファンマンリメイク版怪人 協会 の首長だ 。 以前のエピソードで
ja.namu.wiki ja.namu.wiki

Look for number 72; the relevant passage is quoted there.

I will continue my research in the meantime.
 
I found a Japanese website that sort of powerscaling various monsters in One-Punch Man, using statements from Murata's livestream, and despite that, it considers Orochi a Dragon-level disaster, even though he did not directly cite Murata's statement regarding the level of disaster..

On another Japanese website, I saw that they said Orochi's official disaster level is Dragon.

And yet another website was saying that the divine beasts that appeared to fight Blast, Empty Void, and company were stronger than Orochi because they were a "Dragon or Higher" level disaster, while Orochi itself is considered a Dragon-level disaster.

The only times I see Orochi cited as being above Dragon-level disaster is because of Gouketsu's mention and because he's at the top of the monster association, generally treating this as a theory.

I went to dozens of Japanese websites, and each one says Orochi is a Dragon-level disaster...

They are certainly much better informed than us in some areas...
The Japanese fandom is quite consistent in calling him Dragon.
 
Honestly, I don't think just believing what some random site thinks Orochi's level is is valid to change is threat level.

If there is another translation, transcription or just the audio of Murata's rectification, then change it. Otherwise, imo it'd be better to discard the transcription and just put him at dragon via scaling over other dragons until we get a databook or something that provides us with more information.
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Honestly, I don't think just believing what some random site thinks Orochi's level is is valid to change is threat level.

If there is another translation, transcription or just the audio of Murata's rectification, then change it. Otherwise, imo it'd be better to discard the transcription and just put him at dragon via scaling over other dragons until we get a databook or something that provides us with more information.
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This is understandable; using wiki standards, the original material would be necessary, and although the Japanese fandom seems to have more information than we do in this regard, I haven't found anywhere they got this information from (, beyond conjecture. Perhaps if we search more deeply in the right place, it will be possible to discover where they drew this conclusion from, but it will be a lot of work.

In any case, this puts our classification of Orochi as above Dragon in check. Therefore, my proposal, at least until we find a transcription, translation, or audio that can be used, is to reduce Orochi to the Dragon level or leave it as unknown.

I've already visited dozens of websites, and the closest thing to this was that link I put above... Actually, there's another link about this, but I'll post it later, when I'm more organized on this subject.

Although, if my memory serves me right, I vaguely recall someone here on the wiki mentioning that Orochi's disaster level is Dragon and not Above Dragon, but I'm not sure if I'm remembering correctly; perhaps investigating some past CTRs will shed some light on this...

For now, I'm going to stop jumping from site to site to find an answer and focus on what I already have and use another research method.
 
Well, I just found two mentions of that old statement that Boros would be able to turn Earth into a desert in 10 days on different websites... And oh, it seems that statement came from a dialogue of Geryuganshoop in a popularity poll...

I also found a Japanese powerscaling website
 
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what's even the difference between above dragon level and god level? if you're above dragon... aren't you god level by default?
 
The goated 390kph snail appears in the manga.
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What’s crazy is we’re only about 29 chapters from catching up to the webcomic. That’s something to be hype about because this is a 🔥 arc.
 
Quangotjokes said:
What’s crazy is we’re only about 29 chapters from catching up to the webcomic. That’s something to be hype about because this is a 🔥 arc.
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Assuming they follow the 2 week schedule while adapting the webcomic 1:1. But who knows, maybe Murata and ONE will pull a Ninja Arc again and draw 1000 different versions of the Neo hero arc, only to scrap it all and just make it the same as the webcomic. If that happens we'll finish this arc in the year 2035
 
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