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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

PresentTrunks said:
It was one example (there are other arcs besides Psychic Sisters), and I was referring to the dozens of monsters underneath that Bofoi's building that he was experimenting on.

Honestly, I just don't see your point. It seems like your entire reasoning for it being bad writing is based around the fact that Drive Knight fought Nyan and Jet Psykos in the manga and didn't in the webcomic (which is 3x shorter).
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What the hell are you talking about? It’s bad writing because he didn’t appear in an arc where he should logically be present. That’s like saying it wouldn’t be bad writing if Blast didn’t show up while an avatar of God is wrecking the world.
 
Redcated said:
It’s bad writing because he didn’t appear in an arc where he should logically be present.
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Why are you saying this as if it's just an established fact? The fact that there are monsters does not mean Drive Knight has no a specific or established reason to logically be present. Even Metal Knight had more reason to be present because Child Emperor actually called him. This whole point relies on assuming that there's no wider universe outside the main story, especially that Drive Knight even knew about the raid as it was going on.

Do you not think that there aren't other mysterious beings in the 25 other cities in the One-Punch Man world that Drive Knight could be dealing with/harvesting? It's even established in the series that the current roster of heroes aren't enough, so obviously every single S-Class hero would not be able to show up at the Monster Association raid.
Redcated said:
That’s like saying it wouldn’t be bad writing if Blast didn’t show up while an avatar of God is wrecking the world.
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Blast's character and motivations are literally tied to God in the manga. Drive Knight has no motivations tying him to these characters over anything else in the entire world.
 
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PresentTrunks said:
Drive Knight has no specific or established reason to logically be present.
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The guy who's obsessed with collecting data and absent in the scene where he can gather many valuable data is logical to you?

PresentTrunks said:
Metal Knight had more reason to be present because Child Emperor actually called him.
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I don't know why your bringing that up.
PresentTrunks said:
Do you not think that there aren't other mysterious beings in the 25 other cities in the One-Punch Man world that Drive Knight could be dealing with?
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I do and that's called headcannon
 
Redcated said:
I do and that's called headcannon
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A) It's also head canon to assume he personally even knew about the raid as it was happening. B) It's just how stories work. Things actually do happen outside the primary narrative of a story, like we can assume that most of the other S-Class heroes were occupied when Genos was fighting Deep Sea King or when the meteor was about to fall on Z-City, even though that isn't directly stated in the webcomic, manga or anime.
Redcated said:
The guy who's obsessed with collecting data and absent in the scene where he can gather many valuable data is logical to you?
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Setting aside the fact that he could be doing other things of equal importance, why couldn't he just collect samples from their corpses? We've never seen him personally collect a sample in the webcomic, and it's established that Child Emperor could do this despite his technology and intelligence being inferior to both Bofoi and Drive Knight.
Redcated said:
I don't know why your bringing that up
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Because even people who do have an established reason to show up don't, and the reason isn't given. This is not bad writing, this is bad understanding of story on your part.

Anyway, I'm fully done with this convo.
 
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PresentTrunks said:
it's also head canon to assume he personally even knew about the raid as it was happening.
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Drive knight master is literally listening to genos. Not mention why would they exclude drive knight?
PresentTrunks said:
Things actually do happen outside the primary narrative of a story, like we can assume that most of the other S-Class heroes were occupied when Genos was fighting Deep Sea King or when the meteor was about to fall on Z-City, even though that isn't directly stated in the webcomic, manga or anime.
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Always "maybe" and never "is" AHH scenario

Lmao, the webcomic is the last place I’d use that kind of excuse in a story, because tell me when do we ever actually see characters doing things that aren’t part of an arc to make that conclusion that they're busy?

Unlike in the manga where
  • tatsumaki always kill monster even in her free time
  • Flash destroying an organisation outside of his work
  • metal bat attending his sister performance
  • drive knight killing monsters and spreading propaganda
And so on
PresentTrunks said:
Setting aside the fact that he could be doing other things of equal importance, why couldn't he just collect samples from their corpses? It's established that Child Emperor could do this.
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Did he do it? No? Then that's irrelevant. I don't know why your so adamant making up scenarios.
 
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Bah, no need to derail this so much. The Doylist and consistent explanation has always been that ONE didn't think it through at the time or changed his mind later and decided to reflect that in the changes the manga makes, minor or major, there are dozens of examples by now.

This, again, is also why characters like Drive Knight in the webcomic just pick up from their manga counterparts left off as ONE sees no point in repeating a character arc knowing that everyone that reads the webcomic is also more or less up to date with the manga.
 
I was looking at the profiles and then I saw something kind of confusing that seemed a bit puzzling to me. Class Z LS is defined as large moons or small planets, and Tatsumaki, for example, is classified as Class Z by the upscaling of Psykorochi, which achieved the continental cut.

But the entire continental crust weighs approximately only one-third the weight of the Moon, and even then the continental cut was a smaller fraction of the world's surface. How can this achievement reach Class Z? Is there any explanation for this?
 
EnderLord8 said:
I was looking at the profiles and then I saw something kind of confusing that seemed a bit puzzling to me. Class Z LS is defined as large moons or small planets, and Tatsumaki, for example, is classified as Class Z by the upscaling of Psykorochi, which achieved the continental cut.

But the entire continental crust weighs approximately only one-third the weight of the Moon, and even then the continental cut was a smaller fraction of the world's surface. How can this achievement reach Class Z? Is there any explanation for this?
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The range for Class Z lifting strength is 1.0e21 kg to 1.0e24 kg. The mass of the slice is 1.3e21 kg, so just a bit above baseline.
 
Huh? I thought it was established Psykorochi didn't "lift" that, Tatsumaki LS just scales to her Z-City twisting feat.
 
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Do people genuinely believe Kaido is taking this?
 
Huesito88 said:
Looks at the profile and sees the AP difference 🤔
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VS battles is known for inflated profile ratings but One Piece is the most infamous one. Go to any other powerscaling community and they regularly make fun of VS battles for rating One Piece anything above Island level. Same with Bleach, the verse that has on-screen feats that cap at city level but they're somehow multiversal thanks to statement scaling
 
DbzDB2 said:
VS battles is known for inflated profile ratings but One Piece is the most infamous one. Go to any other powerscaling community and they regularly make fun of VS battles for rating One Piece anything above Island level. Same with Bleach, the verse that has on-screen feats that cap at city level but they're somehow multiversal thanks to statement scaling
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I mean DC =/= AP here and fiction also seems to follow it most of the time 🤔
 
DbzDB2 said:
VS battles is known for inflated profile ratings but One Piece is the most infamous one. Go to any other powerscaling community and they regularly make fun of VS battles for rating One Piece anything above Island level. Same with Bleach, the verse that has on-screen feats that cap at city level but they're somehow multiversal thanks to statement scaling
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The ones i see getting trashed the most are God of War and Danny Phantom
 
Kachon123 said:
One of the major reasons for scrapping any KE methods from Orochi's Gaia Cannon was the fact that there wasn't any agreeable timeframe. We decided to wait for the anime's timeframe, but given how it was completely missing from the season, I think we have reason to bring back the original calc, or at the very least start a discussion on what a suitable timeframe would be.
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One-Punch Man: Gaia Cannon

Alright, so with One-Punch Man Season 3 having finished airing, the anime ended up adapting the pre-redraw version of Orochi vs Saitama, meaning the Gaia Cannon was not animated. One of the main reasons PE is currently used is that there was no agreed upon timeframe for the feat, so we opted to...
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Raiden38 said:
Where?
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I at least saw it in a YouTube video, but I'm having trouble finding the source, as I can't find Murata's livestream (one of the links stopped working) nor where he got the statement from in the video... I'll try to find the Japanese website he mentioned soon, since it seems the Japanese OPM fandom considers Orochi to be a Dragon-level disaster and and not a "dragon or higher"
 
I confirmed that the Japanese version of the One-Punch Man Wikipedia does indeed consider Orochi a Dragon-level disaster.

ワンパンマン - Wikipedia

ja.wikipedia.org ja.wikipedia.org

Edit: It seems they discovered on a Discord server that Orochi is actually a Dragon and not "Dragon or Higher," so I'll prepare for infiltration.
 
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Well, the original livestream was deleted, but I found other interesting sources, as it seems that two different Korean blogs/wiki from 2020 also point out that Orochi is a dragon and not "Dragon or Higher".
 
It seems consistent that Orochi is a Dragon-level disaster and nothing more than that.

At the very least, we should remove Orochi from the "Dragon or Above Level" category where Boros and Garou are listed on the back page and review the statements we use from the OPM wiki, as there seem to be things that have been taken out of context and translated incorrectly, since it appears that Orochi's statement isn't the only thing that's wrong.
 
I searched Japanese websites for Orochi and it seems everyone considers him a very strong Dragon.
Recon1511 said:
You have failed to provide proof that the statement is wrong though, we have the statement, narrative and the feats to backup Orochi being far above the Cadres and Dragon level threats to an absurd degree.
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The statement is incomplete, that's what's being pointed out, since in Murata's original statement he says: "That's true, dragon or higher... no, dragon itself," then Murata himself retracts what he says and corrects it, stating that Orochi is a Dragon.

Narrative is somewhat interpretive, man, I don't think I've ever seen anything approved here on the site considering only the narrative.

As for his feats, he is far more powerful than any Dragon Disaster level or the Cadres, but that doesn't explicitly mean he is a Dragon or Higher, since what previously placed him in that classification was Murata's statement, which, as you can see, is incomplete.
 
Tbh, I feel that OPM should have called "God Level Threat" just "Global Level Threat" or something.

Dragon Level threats are so exploited right now that there is almost no hype for them, and you also can't get bigger threats because "God Level Threats" are basically reserved for God-amped entities or just God himself. And "Dragon or higher" or "Unknown" reflects about nothing.

Adding a "Global Level Threat" and put there Orochi, Boros, Psykorochi and maybe EOW and Sage Centipede would be better.

And then, with the God-amped entities like Cosmic Garou or God himself add a dialogue to hype it up beyond the constraints of the current threats scale and introduce right there the concept of "God Level Threat".
 
I believe that to do something like that, we'd need an official classification given by the manga, and not invent something new like that which isn't even in the manga.

On another note, this means:

A) We remove Orochi from the Above Dragons like Garou and Boros and place him with the other dragons.

or

B) We place him in the unknown disaster-level.
 
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