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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Kachon123 said:
No, probably not since he's effectively S-Class.
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Makes sense. Great Philosopher had a physical strength score of 2442, which is greater than Child Emperor's at 1880. He's actually kinda legit.

Also I find it funny how Great Philosopher first appeared in volume 7, released in 2014. And we're just now seeing more of him 12 years later.
 
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Kachon123 said:
C-Class heroes with neo suits were physically superior to Great Philosopher in every way, so no.
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As I recall he said something like "they could be superior in every aspect [except skill]" because he's just such a humble guy.

(I need to take advantage of this blip on Great Philosopher stocks to match him up against Homelander while the iron is hot)
 
Irrelevant Ourosboros thoughts but I just realized that Gearsper's name just means "artificial esper" and his brother (I assume they're brothers because Psychic sisters parallel) is named "Apollo" (sun) as a play on Tsukuyomi (Moon). More relevant Webcomic speculation below...

Somehow I didn't realize that earlier. I came to this etymological realization while I was thinking about potential manga-exclusive content, using the psychic surgery aspect of Webigaza's cyborgification as a reference point.

On that topic, I think one thing that ONE might add to the Neos/Organization arc is more Tsukuyomi/artificial esper content. Fuzzy will have more explicit connections to them. Apollo or other members may appear more frequently in the arc, and Tatsumaki may actively be seeking them out in the build-up to the Robot attack.

It's worth noting that while Cyborgs can't physically break through limits like standard fleshy superhumans, Bofoi shows us that their brain is the key to potential development for cyborgs. Bofoi was able to break his own mental limiter to perform impossible mental tasks, and Genos's entire progression through stronger and stronger opponents in fights seems to have been at least partially intended as brain-conditioning for him (hence why Kuseno didn't start him off so OP), perhaps his repeated mental strain was prep work that allowed Genos's "brainwaves to be amplified into dangerous territories" in order to control metal as we saw in his scuffle with Bofoi.

Fuzzy is a cyborgified esper who hasn't shown any combat ESP (he likely will when he fights Darkshine, Monster Amai, Metal Bat and Blue (?)) and apparently Genos is an esper of sorts also (I take brain-based telekinesis to qualify him as such). I think we'll see a lot more foreshadowing of this type in the manga, even if it's small cameos like Air being cyberized on-screen in the manga (WHY doesn't anybody talk about that??? It's a huge foreshadowing for the entire Organization arc and I never see anyone discuss it).
 
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Ourosboros said:
Irrelevant Ourosboros thoughts but I just realized that Gearsper's name just means "artificial esper" and his brother (I assume they're brothers because Psychic sisters parallel) is named "Apollo" (sun) as a play on Tsukuyomi (Moon). More relevant Webcomic speculation below...

Somehow I didn't realize that earlier. I came to this etymological realization while I was thinking about potential manga-exclusive content, using the psychic surgery aspect of Webigaza's cyborgification as a reference point.

On that topic, I think one thing that ONE might add to the Neos/Organization arc is more Tsukuyomi/artificial esper content. Fuzzy will have more explicit connections to them. Apollo or other members may appear more frequently in the arc, and Tatsumaki may actively be seeking them out in the build-up to the Robot attack.

It's worth noting that while Cyborgs can't physically break through limits like standard fleshy superhumans, Bofoi shows us that their brain is the key to potential development for cyborgs. Bofoi was able to break his own mental limiter to perform impossible mental tasks, and Genos's entire progression through stronger and stronger opponents in fights seems to have been at least partially intended as brain-conditioning for him (hence why Kuseno didn't start him off so OP), perhaps his repeated mental strain was prep work that allowed Genos's "brainwaves to be amplified into dangerous territories" in order to control metal as we saw in his scuffle with Bofoi.

Fuzzy is a cyborgified esper who hasn't shown any combat ESP (he likely will when he fights Darkshine, Monster Amai, Metal Bat and Blue (?)) and apparently Genos is an esper of sorts also (I take brain-based telekinesis to qualify him as such). I think we'll see a lot more foreshadowing of this type in the manga, even if it's small cameos like Air being cyberized on-screen in the manga (WHY doesn't anybody talk about that??? It's a huge foreshadowing for the entire Organization arc and I never see anyone discuss it).
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This makes a lot of sense and explains why Kuseno just didn't give Genos proper full upgrades, he wants him to break his mental limiter by the mental strain of always being not quite strong enough, something that the manga has shown time and time again how much it affects him. That's really good.

And yeah I pointed out several times how Air was literally cyborgified on screen! His eyes are camera shutters now! It's insane no one else talks about it more
 
Recon1511 said:
This makes a lot of sense and explains why Kuseno just didn't give Genos proper full upgrades, he wants him to break his mental limiter by the mental strain of always being not quite strong enough, something that the manga has shown time and time again how much it affects him. That's really good.
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Rereading webcomic chapter 155, I see I misremembered exactly what Bofoi said. Two things stick out to me here though:

"It is the human brain that holds infinite potential." ... Which supports Genos's mental limiter being broken in a sense here.

However, "That completed AI may have become something extremely close to a human. But "he" has a different ceiling to humans. He'll surely suffer. But that suffering also has the potential to break through that ceiling."

In my mistaken memory, I forgot the bit about AI and assumed this bit was referring to Genos, which it obviously isn't (otherwise Genos wouldn't have "amplified" brainwaves and Bofoi wouldn't talk about "false memories" when addressing Genos). It seems to be more direct foreshadowing that Drive Knight will be able to break through his Asimov's laws of robotics restrictions and attack a human of his own initiative, and perhaps defy other core programming if he's "survived" his fight with Saitama. But in chapter 156, we realize that Bofoi isn't actually talking about Drive Knight (despite the foreshadowing).

Bofoi does say,"... if I state the result plainly, the AI is complete." but in chapter 156, he explains that "[Drive Knight] was an INCOMPLETE AI..." meaning there is another character who is the real complete AI who we just haven't seen yet. If I were a real, real ABSOLUTELY INSANE crackpot I would say that AI is Child Emperor but the timeline doesn't support it, sadly.

I hope this completed AI will get more foreshadowing in the manga, and that Drive Knight will be more active earlier on instead of one interaction with Genos and one comment on Metal Knight's high end units before he goes bananas on the HA.
Recon1511 said:
And yeah I pointed out several times how Air was literally cyborgified on screen! His eyes are camera shutters now! It's insane no one else talks about it more
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Sorry, sorry! I completely forgot that you did that. It's just odd that webcomic readers as a whole seem to have generally glazed over that foreshadowing. Gearsper being evil is another underrated manga-addition that I think should be discussed more, otherwise I wouldn't be the potentially only person speculating on how Tsukuyomi and Fuzzy could be a lead-in for more artificial espers in the neos arc after this Webigaza chapter.
 
Tural2004 said:
Found an old meme about Flash:
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Lol. I remember this one, and I'm laughing through the tears because this is 100% an accurate depiction of how they adapted Flashy Flash and Darkshine in the manga 😭

((Darkshine's performance in the WC was better than Flashy's and since that fight is the reason I started reading the manga I will die on this hill))
 
Ourosboros said:
Rereading webcomic chapter 155, I see I misremembered exactly what Bofoi said. Two things stick out to me here though:

"It is the human brain that holds infinite potential." ... Which supports Genos's mental limiter being broken in a sense here.

However, "That completed AI may have become something extremely close to a human. But "he" has a different ceiling to humans. He'll surely suffer. But that suffering also has the potential to break through that ceiling."

In my mistaken memory, I forgot the bit about AI and assumed this bit was referring to Genos, which it obviously isn't (otherwise Genos wouldn't have "amplified" brainwaves and Bofoi wouldn't talk about "false memories" when addressing Genos). It seems to be more direct foreshadowing that Drive Knight will be able to break through his Asimov's laws of robotics restrictions and attack a human of his own initiative, and perhaps defy other core programming if he's "survived" his fight with Saitama. But in chapter 156, we realize that Bofoi isn't actually talking about Drive Knight (despite the foreshadowing).

Bofoi does say,"... if I state the result plainly, the AI is complete." but in chapter 156, he explains that "[Drive Knight] was an INCOMPLETE AI..." meaning there is another character who is the real complete AI who we just haven't seen yet. If I were a real, real ABSOLUTELY INSANE crackpot I would say that AI is Child Emperor but the timeline doesn't support it, sadly.

I hope this completed AI will get more foreshadowing in the manga, and that Drive Knight will be more active earlier on instead of one interaction with Genos and one comment on Metal Knight's high end units before he goes bananas on the HA.
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I think the plan is that Kuseno wants to fuse Drive Knight and Genos with broken Limiters to create an ultimate robotic being of sorts, no idea for what purpose but that could be it. And we know for a fact they can fuse thanks to the manga.
 
PresentTrunks said:
Yes. But Ourosboros may be referring to when they fought Awakened Garou together (bear in mind, he gets up later and gets flattened again).

Honestly, I don't really think Awakened Garou was trying at all when he fought the S-Class Heroes (with the exception of when Tats immobilised him).
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I remember a panel where Flash was moving so fast during the fight that even Garou was like "damn I might have to try a little." But I could be wrong it's been like 10 years since I read that chapter 💀
 
Ourosboros said:
"It is the human brain that holds infinite potential." ... Which supports Genos's mental limiter being broken in a sense here.

However, "That completed AI may have become something extremely close to a human. But "he" has a different ceiling to humans. He'll surely suffer. But that suffering also has the potential to break through that ceiling."
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This always makes me remember that if there was a massive amount of negative emotions surrounding him, he would gain a will and become a monster. Then maybe saved, choosing to be a human etc. (I don't want him to die :d)
Ourosboros said:
I hope this completed AI will get more foreshadowing in the manga,
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Maybe the completed version isn't significant for the story unlike the incomplete versions?
 
DbzDB2 said:
I remember a panel where Flash was moving so fast during the fight that even Garou was like "damn I might have to try a little." But I could be wrong it's been like 10 years since I read that chapter 💀
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In the webcomic the surface battle sequence goes... 1. Cadres vs Hero Association, 2. Bang and Tatsumaki take down the cadres, forcing Black S to go to Golden S (he tried multi-cell S which wasn't enough), 3. Garou vs Golden S, 4. Garou vs most of the s-class, 5. Flashy Flash emerges to fight Garou and Darkshine joins in.

This is when we get the moment where Zombieman goes: "Flashy Flash with his speed and Darkshine with his power, this is no better combination..."

The "I might have to try a little" line you're thinking of is actually when Garou says "if my old self had faced you, it would have ended ugly for me. But now..."

When I say Darkshine did better, I'm referring to the fact that Darkshine was knocked down by Garou twice and he gets up twice, before AG finally puts him down. I don't want to say that Darkshine's durability legitimately downscales from webcomic AG's AP, because Trunks is right to say that Garou definitely isn't trying to kill anyone here.

The big difference is that, in the WC Flashy Flash gets kicked once by AG, goes down, stumbles back up and before collapsing again from pain/exhaustion, unlike the 1v1v1 we got in the manga. If Darkshine had fought cracked shell monster Garou and been beaten down by him repeatedly in the manga but kept getting up, I think his perception in the community would be different.
 
Ourosboros said:
When I say Darkshine did better, I'm referring to the fact that Darkshine was knocked down by Garou twice and he gets up twice, before AG finally puts him down. I don't want to say that Darkshine's durability legitimately downscales from webcomic AG's AP, because Trunks is right to say that Garou definitely isn't trying to kill anyone here.
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I'm ngl, I thought you were talking about the actual Trunks character from Dragon Ball and was confused for a second.

Anyway, thanks for the rundown. Good reminder to me how much better the MA arc would've been if the manga had just followed the webcomic exactly. I love how the S-Class were completely helpless against the cadres except Tatsumaki and Bang lmfao
 
DbzDB2 said:
I'm ngl, I thought you were talking about the actual Trunks character from Dragon Ball and was confused for a second.

Anyway, thanks for the rundown. Good reminder to me how much better the MA arc would've been if the manga had just followed the webcomic exactly. I love how the S-Class were completely helpless against the cadres except Tatsumaki and Bang lmfao
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I’d rather not see Bang, Bomb, Genos, Atomic Samurai, Tatsumaki, Drive Knight, Iaian, and the two disciples get treated like trash just to artificially make Garou look good.
 
Redcated said:
I’d rather not see Bang, Bomb, Genos, Atomic Samurai, Tatsumaki, Drive Knight, Iaian, and the two disciples get treated like trash just to artificially make Garou look good.
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You really think ONE wrote the fight between the S-Class and Garou just to make Garou look "artificially good"?... Wtf I swear some of y'all have the weirdest takes ever. So whenever a character loses a fight in a show, you think the writer was just trying to make the winner look "good"?
Garou was hyped to be the final villain since the beginning of the MA arc in both the manga and webcomic lmfao. He was shown to evolve further and further into an unstoppable force and it culminated in him defeating the S-Class to punish them for their false sense of grandeur. That's literally just the plot...
 
DbzDB2 said:
You really think ONE wrote the fight between the S-Class and Garou just to make Garou look "artificially good"?... Wtf I swear some of y'all have the weirdest takes ever. So whenever a character loses a fight in a show, you think the writer was just trying to make the winner look "good"?
Garou was hyped to be the final villain since the beginning of the MA arc in both the manga and webcomic lmfao. He was shown to evolve further and further into an unstoppable force and it culminated in him defeating the S-Class to punish them for their false sense of grandeur. That's literally just the plot...
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Who said about anything about the Fight? Did you really think that

  • Bomb and the deciples being nothing burger of a character
  • Sidelining Bang of all people in the Garou fight
  • Bunch of Offscreen and plot convenience matchup
  • Drive Knight being absent for no reason
  • Genos being useless

Is good?

DbzDB2 said:
their false sense of grandeur.
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Which the webcomic didn’t establish before that arc happened, not to mention that it’s only relevant in that arc and that arc alone.
 
Redcated said:
Who said about anything about the Fight? Did you really think that

  • Bomb and the deciples being nothing burger of a character
  • Sidelining Bang of all people in the Garou fight
  • Bunch of Offscreen and plot convenience matchup
  • Drive Knight being absent for no reason
  • Genos being useless

Is good?


Which the webcomic didn’t establish before that arc happened, not to mention that it’s only relevant in that arc and that arc alone.
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Huh?
Bomb was knocked out by the strongest cadre in the webcomic and still fought Rover alongside Bang. Don't forget that Bomb is literally an 83 year old man who struggled to carry 5 or 6 heroes on his back in the manga. He's not that physically tough. And Bomb was just a minor character in the webcomic anyway, he wasn't supposed to have a big role. What would the disciples do in the final fight? They're literally fodder. The powerscaling was all over the place in the manga. Iaian and Spring Mustachio should NOT have been able to ward off Homeless Emperor's onslaught at all.

As for Bang, he literally defeated 2 cadres on his own and IIRC he got knocked out by Homeless Emperor, who is obviously a cadre himself. I don't know why you think that's sidelining. Just because the plot doesn't move the way you want it to doesn't mean it's sidelining.

Describe these plot convenience matchups. It was explained that Psykos purposefully planned the matchups so the S-Class would lose. ONE went out of his way to explain how the matchups came to be, it wasnt an asspull for plot convenience.

Drive Knight is supposed to be an ambiguous character and it's been revealed the guy is literally a villain. Why the hell would he help the heroes?
Genos did what he could but he didn't have the Blue Dragon upgrade in the webcomic so of course he would get stomped by the cadres and Awakened Garou.

Lastly, the webcomic did establish Garou's hatred for the heroes because of their narcissism and arrogance. No clue what you're reading.
 
DbzDB2 said:
Bomb was knocked out by the strongest cadre in the webcomic
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BS clone=strongest cadre Lmao

DbzDB2 said:
fought Rover alongside Bang
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Which did absolutely nothing not even knocking it down for 1 second unlike in the manga.

DbzDB2 said:
And Bomb was just a minor character in the webcomic anyway, he wasn't supposed to have a big role.
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And that's good because?

DbzDB2 said:
Iaian and Spring Mustachio should NOT have been able to ward off Homeless Emperor's onslaught at all.
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Skill issue on webcomic apart and also not what I'm talking about on why they are not a nothing burger in the manga

DbzDB2 said:
As for Bang, he literally defeated 2 cadres on his own and IIRC he got knocked out by Homeless Emperor, who is obviously a cadre himself. I don't know why you think that's sidelining. Just because the plot doesn't move the way you want it to doesn't mean it's sidelining
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Ah, so Bang’s purpose in that arc is just aura farming and not stopping Garou—who, you know, is the entire reason he’s in there in the first place?
DbzDB2 said:
Describe these plot convenience matchups. It was explained that Psykos purposefully planned the matchups so the S-Class would lose. ONE went out of his way to explain how the matchups came to be, it wasnt an asspull for plot convenience.
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Read the webcomic again and find where they say that psykos planned it. I dare you.

DbzDB2 said:
Drive Knight is supposed to be an ambiguous character and it's been revealed the guy is literally a villain. Why the hell would he help the heroes?
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Being absent for the 90% of the series and ended up being the same character and goal in the manga is not being ambiguous.
DbzDB2 said:
Genos did what he could but he didn't have the Blue Dragon upgrade in the webcomic so of course he would get stomped by the cadres and Awakened Garou.
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I'm sorry but I don't see that as an excuse considering a limbless manga genos literally did more than him.
 
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I dunno why defend stuff like Bang being an useless bum in what regarded to his responsibilities for Garou both throught the arc and the end of it or Bomb doing nothing to the point you could replace him with a cactus and nothing would change. This is stuff that was explicitly completely changed because it either was bad or a waste of a character.

Ditto with Drive Knight literally having to rely on his characterization and foreshadowing from the manga for the reveal to have any weight in the webcomic lol
 
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Drive Knight being absent for no reason
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I don't get this point as a whole. Can you explain why Drive Knight in particular not showing up in this specific arc (not others) is bad writing? To me, it's completely understandable, as there's always multiple S-Class heroes who are missing for unexplained reasons (presumably just being busy elsewhere) in every arc until the Robot Invasion. In fact, Metal Knight and Metal Bat were also inexplicably absent from the Monster Association battle.
 
PresentTrunks said:
I don't get this point as a whole. Can you explain why Drive Knight in particular not showing up in this specific arc (not others) is bad writing? To me, it's completely understandable, as there's always multiple S-Class heroes who are missing for unexplained reasons (presumably just being busy elsewhere) in every arc until the Robot Invasion. In fact, Metal Knight and Metal Bat were also inexplicably absent from the Monster Association battle.
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Bad writing no, but a waste of a character and missed screentime to set up later arcs which is why it was amended in the manga. It wouldn't even be that much of an issue if it was just the MA arc in which he was MIA but he literally dissapeared from the story for 90 or so webcomic chapters and like I have explained before the whole weight of his reveal is a payoff to theories and events that spawned from the manga.

This isn't something "terrible" in of itself, it's just ONE being aware that all webcomic readers have to be caught up with manga events and capitalizing on it but it results in the webcomic not being able to stand on its own two feet at times.
 
I'm asking why the Monster Association arc specifically, not everything between chapters 39 to 139. I agree that he's been too absent, but I don't get how that could be an indictment on any particular arc instead of the story as a whole.

Speaking of DK, I think it would have been perfect if he fought the Aggregation instead of Tats and collected one of the bugs. ONE missed an opportunity with DK.
 
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PresentTrunks said:
I don't get this point as a whole. Can you explain why Drive Knight in particular not showing up in this specific arc (not others) is bad writing? To me, it's completely understandable, as there's always multiple S-Class heroes who are missing for unexplained reasons (presumably just being busy elsewhere) in every arc until the Robot Invasion. In fact, Metal Knight and Metal Bat were also inexplicably absent from the Monster Association battle.
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Since the webcomic copies his manga characterization( like being obsessed with gathering data and samples) I see no reason why he’s absent in that arc.
 
I guess what I'm asking is are you saying that it'd have been worse if DK appeared in other arcs, like Psychic Sisters arc, instead of the MA arc?
 
PresentTrunks said:
I guess what I'm asking is are you saying that it'd have been worse if DK collected materials in other arcs, like Psychic Sisters arc?
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Uh yes? unless he's very and I mean VERY interested only in psychic powers to the point he ignore the guy who can split, a sentient water, and a normal human who can summon infinite energy ball.
 
It was one example (there are other arcs besides Psychic Sisters), and I was referring to the dozens of monsters underneath that Bofoi's building that he was experimenting on.

Honestly, I just don't see your point. It seems like your entire reasoning for it being bad writing is based around the fact that Drive Knight fought Nyan and Jet Psykos in the manga and didn't in the webcomic (which is 3x shorter).
 
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