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Makes sense, I couldn’t find any edits to the page categories in the recent history, and if it was more than like a month ago someone definitely would have caught that.
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Kirby General Discussion Thread (fun edition)
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I was a bit off, I requested to remove that here with what I think is the real issue.
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Like LMAO Kirby isn't a reincarnation, It's moreso implied that Void just randomly pooped Kirby out with Dream and Heart energy, which is the EXACT OPPOSITE of a Dark Matter entity.
Whoever added that should just... uh... re-educate themselves.
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I would say that's not implied.
If he had the "exact opposite" of the Dark Matter species already in his being, why make good deeds over time to create the Love-Love Stick, using it to defeat Dark Matter and Zero? If there is Substance of Heart used in his career, then it's more like he uses it and can create it, not that he has it within him. Hyness can cŕeate Substance of Darkness, so why wouldn't others create their own stuff?
And then came Star Allies, a heart fell over Kirby and all heroes had similar powers bc of it. At this point, sure, you could say they all have it within them. But between that and saying that the Friend Heart powers allows them to create Substance of Heart, it's kind of the same. And again, this was something given to Kirby, not that he was born with it.
And there is no, biblical-like Void just randomly pooping Kirby out. Void, being the original ancestor, leaves descendants, who leave their own descendants, who leave their own descendants, and so on until we reach modern times. Could Kirby or anyone in the series be a direct son of a Void? Sure, as far as theories go, it is possible. Now, is it likely? Not at all. Everyone is most likely, almost certainly the same as everyone else; A descendant of Void who has Void very far away in their family tree.
You can argue that if Kirby was that closely related to Void, it would make him more special in such a way that his power, mysterious abilities, and such get a larger justification. And that makes sense. But at least power wise, every time more characters than Kirby are allowed to be playable characters, they show feats on the same level as Kirby. Kirby is notable in part more so bc he has shown more feats, rather than bc he can do things no one else could possibly do powerwise; Give other characters some training and they will match a Kirby that appears to be the strongest guy around, like at the end of Star-Crossed World. Places like the Dream Kingdom have a bunch of Kirbys running around, like 8 that can be seen on the town on-screen, and much, much more if you count online. And Magolor sees them as "meeting Kirby again (in another world)." They're not all the same person like clones, the Kirbys there are different people, like Waddle Dees among each other or any other species in this series. So if Kirby was the son of a Void in our main universe, what happened in the Dream Kingdom's reality? That's more of a rhetorical question, the point is, do you still think it's likely that Kirby is a direct offspring of Void after that?
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ZespeonGalaxy asks for any new abilities from Air Riders, and I said I would reply here.
I use this page to keep certain changes: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Eficiente/SandboxK Be it because I need to add them, or because I'm yet to propose their addiction. For anyone interested, you can actually follow the page by copy-pasting "?action=watch" on the link above, then pressing enter.
My plan is to later make a blog going over all the speed scaling in the game:
I use this page to keep certain changes: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Eficiente/SandboxK Be it because I need to add them, or because I'm yet to propose their addiction. For anyone interested, you can actually follow the page by copy-pasting "?action=watch" on the link above, then pressing enter.
My plan is to later make a blog going over all the speed scaling in the game:
- We know an Air Machine Warp Star is not the same as a regular Warp Star. But Air Machines can do the following: Keep up with Meta Knight flying regularly (in the original Air Ride), Meta Knight flying with 4 wings, Marx flying, Kirby rolling, Rick running, Gooey using his tongue-spin to on going, and everyone using Copy Abilities to race. They can dodge attacks from the likes of Kirby, King Dedede, Meta Knight, Bandana Waddle, and everyone with MFTL+ feats.
- All Air Ride Machines are MFTL+ and all Riders have MFTL+ reactions because of it. Putting it all in 1 place, I get to comment over the anti-feat that is the speed marker throwing over lower numbers by saying how fast you're going. I recognize that, move on from it, and that's that. The point is that, when things like that bring down a feat, it's better to show the one making the big claims is aware of it, and show all the reasons as to why we dismiss what we dismiss. Any single profile who gets the scaling in this game wouldn't be able to show all that context. They hardly be able to show all the characters and things they scale to, and which ones have MFTL+ feats and which ones just scale to it.
- Limited Teleportation: Can appear out of nowhere when Riders are trapped in an area. Riders themselves can't use the machines to teleport.
- Dimensional Travel: Can even teleport in on the Mysterious Dimension, without using the portal connecting it with Popstar.
- Empowerment: As a Rider picks up more stat items in City Trial, their machine improves, with the Rider improving on their own somehow; And if they switch from one Air Ride Machine to another, all stats gained are carried over.
- Power Absorption: Vampire Star
- Extrasensory Perception & Likely Superhuman Willpower: Most Riders in Planet Popstar didn't detect the calling of Nova through Giganti[name of the doomsday machine] because "their wills were too weak," and only extraordinary enough Air Ride machine were able to do so. This calling is shown to be invisible and undetectable.
- Self-Mind Manipulation: Can share his/her wills with deactivated Air Ride machines to activate them and bring them to live. In Planet Popstar, beings extraordinary enough commonly do this, but even individuals of a same species are implied to not be able to do the same.
- Likely Superhuman Willpower: Most Air Ride machines in Planet Popstar didn't detect the calling of Nova through Giganti[name of the doomsday machine] because "their wills were too weak," and this affected all Air Ride machines; Only extraordinary enough riders and Air Ride machine peers had the will to allow the latter to detect it.
- More feats for those with Extrasensory Perception & Automatic Translation, or new for other characters: Implied to regularly understand the feelings of his/her favorite Air Ride Machine, who don't speak and don't seem to communicate with movements. One day, detected his/her Air Ride Machine to feel weird and look at a certain direction, deciding to drive off there to investigate. This is exemplified to only take a few seconds with Kirby.
- Precision skills: Can destroy enemies without destroying the items they hold, gaining them all back when stolen by TACs. Can regularly make TACs and bosses drop some items when hitting them.
- Transmutation (Via Capture; Can grab enemies and throw them as small star projectiles; Kirby, King Dedede, and Gooey's version of this move in the same game is Star Split, which is extensively proven to be real Transmutation)
- Copy Ability: A power that allows him/her to use the abilities of Captured/Inhaled enemies as a "Copy Ability" [the power-up]. The ability to do this is addressed as a "Copy Ability" [the ability to copy powers], same name as Kirby's power, meaning that the amount of Copy Abilities the user can produce isn't limited to the ones seen in-game. However, his/her version is far less versatile and in a base state of sorts, lacking the same amount of moves per ability, and all the gimmicks Kirby has gained over the years.
- Self-Cloth Manip: All Copy Abilites grant the user a hat.
- Explosion Generation: Bomb
- Weapon Mastery: Cutter, Sword
- Martial Arts: Fighter
- Fire Manip: Fire
- Transformation: Flash, Missile, Wheel, Steel Ball
- Status Effec In: Flash, Freeze
- Ice Manip & Likely Absolute Zero: Freeze
- Durability Negation: Flash, Mike, likely via Fire & Freeze
- Stat Amp: Jet, Wheel
- Sound Manip: Mike
- Energy Manip: Needle, Plasma
- Sleep Manip: Sleep (Self-induced. Anyone too close to them falls asleep too)
- Undergroun Mobility: Drill
- Acrobatics: Winning animations,
- Vehicular Mastery: A rider, who commonly participate in wacky, deadly races with Air Ride machines, attacking others and avoiding attacks, driving on ground and flying in the air or outer space. Riders change between vehicles with vastly different stats and gimmicks on how to be used at their best.
- Empowerment: Stat items in City Trial can only be picked up with an Air Ride machine, mainly applying to the machine itself; Yet, the Rider shares the improvements themselves, resiting move direct blows with higher HP, attacking stronger with higher offense, and matching the speed of the machine with their attacks.
- Summoning: Can summon an Air Ride Machine with a phone, appearing to always come in on mere moments
- Possibly Immersion: Summoning Computer Visus on Road Trip will cause it to open up a window tab in reality, and the Rider will jump in as if it was a portal to escape away. Computer Visus is assisting the Rider, but whether or not it does so by opening an actual portal or if it was understood that the Rider had an Immersion ability is unclear.
- Power Absorption: Via [Name of the super]; Steals the Copy Ability power-up of another for his own use.
- Body Control: You know.
- Illusion Creation: I need to translate that Twitter post someone showed above. It says his super uses an illusion.
- Stat Amp: Speed Up, Special Up
- Limited Mind Manip: Dizzy Beam; Sends a wave forward that makes all targets touching it confused, messing up their controls in-game. The effects fade off after a while.
- Magnetism Manip: Item Catcher; Draws in all items around to him/herself.
- Explosion Generation: Fireworks, Multi-Missile
- Energy Manip: Laser Swiper, Mega Cannon
- Size manip: Size Up
- Limited Precog: Prediction Codex; Only gets told what the games after City Trial will be. Even gets lied to sometimes, but Riders are implied to understand not to fall for it.
- Road Trip items: We will see.
- A Friend Heart, which should have the same abilities as a baseline Friend Heart in Star Allies [Pre-Heroes in Another Dimension].
- Immersion: The computer one and likely via Computer Virus.
- A lot of other sh*t
- Intelligence feats:
- Engineering skills:
- Created or already had factories inside to develop all Air Ride machines, which need to will of rider to come to life. Air Ride machines are incredible vehicles with a number of supernatural abilities.
- Created several ships to descend on Popstar, bringing an army of robotic spiders that would able to tear down Zorah and rebuild him into Gigantes. Gigantes is a doomsday machine that can destroy all life on Popstar through unknown means. Gigantes as well needs others' will to come to activate, and then it was able to fight evenly against a rider such as Kirby, Meta Knight, among other skilled fighters, as a final boss of Road Trip.
- Gigantes was built in such a way that Nova was able to send a signal through it across all of Popstar, summoning Air Ride machines to it. Only the ones with strong enough will would detect it, which we the intended targets to grant life to Gigantes.
- Planning: Created an elaborate plot apparently out of sheer sadism;
- To fulfill Zorah's wish of free movement, Nova created countlesss Air Ride machines, sent them on Popstar for its creatures to bring them to life with their wills, some machines dying when crashing onto the planet. Then Nova created other machines to violently break down Zorah and turn him into a doomsday machine; Gigantes. When activated via the will of the Air Ride machines, Gigantes would move, granting Norah's wish, and destroy all life on Popstar. Then Nova sent a signal through Gigantes to summon all Air Ride machines, which only the ones with a will strong enough could detect.
- Up to that point, if successful, Nova would have killed everyone on Popstar with little warning. Nova might have worked around possible limitations it seems to have, like only being able to act to grant a wish, not being able to create life on its own, and requiring the wills of extraordinary enough creatures in Popstar to achieve sufficiently powerful weapons.
- In practice, Zorah somehow managed to break free and move on its own for the first time on his life, and tried to stop other riders from coming closer to the doomsday machine by destroying their Air Ride machines; Gigantes being too powerful to destroy as an alternative. The protagonist fights evenly against Gigantes, weakening it but not destroying it. Then, if they lose a race against Noir Dedede (Zorah) in a bad ending, the latter will sacrifice himself to destroy the threat of Gigantes. Nova has been in space all the time, undetected of its crimes.
- In a good ening, the player character beats Noir Dedede to reach Gigantes and destroys it without needing to sacrifice themselves. Not having much time left in the form they were able to achieve, Noir Dedede dies anyway. Nova simply flees, implied to be aware of the events in Popstar.
- If Nova's goal was pure sadism, it was successful no matter what. Each Air Ride machine is alive, countless having died beyond the consensual, respawnable games they play with riders. When Zorah was rebuilt into Gigantes, he was implied to understand how the change still meant he still couldn't move, and after an "eternity" of being like this, the false hope pained him. In the long time it took Nova to create the Air Ride machines and Gigantes, Zorah was still in his unwanted, immobile state, so his torment might have been a bonus for Nova.
Now let's see if this was actually Marx or Nightmare's doing.They retcon Nova into being evil. F*ck, man.
- Engineering skills:
- A Pre-Air Riders Key as it is
- A Post-Air Riders Key: 2-C with internal defenses and most abilities (Appears remodeled from before, be it because it updated itself off-screen or a mere redesign, and his insides are different as well. Can create evil copies of the cast with their own Air Ride machine to challenge the protagonist of Road Trip, being able to harm them and destroy their Air Ride machine. Can create a Robo Dedede, Zero Two, Nightmare, and Marx to fight the protagonist as a boss. His internal energy beams and attacks can harm the protagonist)
- much lower with its external Energy Projection (Shot an energy beam to some planet from outer space, only doing damage to 1 country-sized area in it)
- 2-C with prep time (Created or already had factories inside to develop all Air Ride machines, which are powerless on their own, but with the will of a rider, they seem to quickly reach their power level. Created robots to build over time [[Gigantes]])
- Fought evenly against the protagonist of Road Trip [Kirby, King Dedede, Meta Knight, Marx, etc] and their Air Ride machine. Was the final boss of the story, being fought after , if Gigantes lost.
- destroy all life on Popstar through unknown means (Maybe a charged attack, maybe a special ability. It did lose to 1 being in Popstar, so it's not like it always has enough power to do this with its every attack)
- Self-Sustance (Type 1)
- Longevity (
- Immortality (Type 2. Tore to pieces by spiders, seems to survive as long as his core isn't destroyed,
- Immobile on his own, a bunch of robotic spiders solo
- When his core was ripped away from his body and he was sufficiently worried, it can move on its own (Moved on its own when trying to save all life on Popstar, and sacrificed himself for that goal in a bad ending), having done so to do the following:
- Shapeshifting (Somewhat copied King Dedede's form, on purpose)
- Darkness Manip (Moved around as darkness before taking form. Has an attack in which he inflicts a wave of darkness of sorts to always be present on his rival, until it's gone)
- Energy Manip (Replicated the bite made of energy done by the Vampire Star as an attack, without using the Vampire Star)
- Self-Destruction (Shown in a bad ending to destroy a weakened Gigantes, dealing better damage with this attack than the protagonist of the story [Kirby, King Dedede, Meta Knight, Marx]
- New Game+
- His eyes grow from blue to red.
- Summoning (Summoned the Dragoon and Hydra) [...why didn't he do that in the regular story mode..? Ig he couldn't]
- Is a rider
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NOVA YOU LITTLE DICKFACE I HATE YOU
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He is still pissed at what kirby did to him...
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Narration says he chose the form of one of those riders. That being after being rebuilt as Gigantes and breaking free, so you got the timeline wrong there.
As to why: In-universe,
As to why: In-universe,
- the form could have been random,
- or maybe he liked it more,
- or maybe he believed Dedede was better than everyone else there, be it bc Zorah knows better, or bc he simply imagined that would is the case with no evidence (Maybe he knew he is the king of Dreamland).
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Didn't know he was chill like that
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Guess I'll be unfollowing for the moment then.
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So... we can upscale Gigantes to Kirby and Magolor, right? I mean, I'd consider them life on the planet.
And Leo can scale to that, right?
I think a Leo profile will be pretty interesting, I still have not much of a clue who he is, haha.
Lion of justice, so I assume he was pissed at Nova for what he did to Zorah?
And should Zorah have 3 keys:
- Noir Dedede
- Zorah (base)
- Gigantes
Or should they be separate?
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I'm fine with separating Zorah and Noir Dedede. Gigantes and Zorah should be one page tho
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Ever since Zorah was revealed i knew it from the get go that Noir Dedede was made from a part of it. The similarities were very clear.
That kinda sucks since i did expected him to be a more independent character and something of a Kirby version of Lobo from DC due to obvious design similarities, but go off i guess
That kinda sucks since i did expected him to be a more independent character and something of a Kirby version of Lobo from DC due to obvious design similarities, but go off i guess
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To quote from my Sandbox on Gigantes: "Can destroy all life on Popstar through unknown means (Maybe a charged attack, maybe a special ability. It did lose to 1 being in Popstar, so it's not like it always has enough power to do this with its every attack)"
So... we can upscale Gigantes to Kirby and Magolor, right? I mean, I'd consider them life on the planet.
And Leo can scale to that, right?
Gigantes in base and charged up scales to Kirby, Magolor and others, because it fought evenly against them, first as a final boss in an incomplete version of the story, and then as a more powerful version than before. The latter form takes hits from Legendary Air Ride machines and the riders, a step above riders and regular Air Ride machines, which are already on the same level in this game. Yes, Leo scales as well, but maybe he will be covered by an "Air Ride machine" profile.
I have no idea. Could be.
I believe the name of the profile should Zorah, it should have a Noir Dedede key, and Gigantes should be its own profile. Gigantes can act on its own without Zorah, that's how he fights in both stories. It would have allowed Zorah to move as per Nova's plan, but that never happened, and it was against Zorah's will. Lastly, even as Noir Dedede, Zorah still takes the form of darkness to move around from time to time. So in theory, he could take any form he chooses, if he never will in-character. And the Noir Dedede form is somewhat similar to clothes he puts on, vaguely.
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No. Official material have said that they are not meant to be one in the same, and the two have completely contradictory lore. That's just an easter egg.
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I could make a whole blog pointing out all the contradictions they have. But the topic is so self-explanatory that no such effort is even needed. Here's 1 contradiction:
- Games: Kirby first comes to Dream Land as an outsider in Kirby's Dream Land, fighting Dedede's forces to return all the food of Dream Land he stole. Kirby's background is unknown.
- Anime: Kirby first comes to Dream Land on a spaceship and proves himself a hero to the Cappys (Cappies?) there in need, no food stolen by Dedede. Kirby is a Star Warrior surviver of a war awakening too early.
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Anyone keeping up with the sandbox I'm making?
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To be fair when it was originally made it was before the riders did road trip and got a bunch of buffs via items, I assume it would not just be some special attack it just has to go around the world killing people until no one is left.
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Even killing Kirby and Magolor before patch buffs is impressive tho
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Yeah although could Gigantes stop them from coming back as ghosts and just bopping the machine to comeback to life.
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Lmaoooo
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I mean it says “destroy all life on Popstar” but doesn’t specify for how long.
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Forget coming back as ghosts, by the time everything from that game is added everyone will have Self-Resurrection via Mid-Godly Regen, and Paraconsistent Physiology that accounts for the inconsistencies in said Self-Resurrection, and it will have a number of inconsistencies like the Gigantes plot. It sounds like the stupidest sh*t ever, I know. You'll all see in time.
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That's like a third of why I am on this site.
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Anyway did Nightmare actually return in Air Riders or is it a Zero Two situation?
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I thought that mf was straight up dead since Adventure. His only reappearances were in the Kirby clash games IIRC, and they are in an alternate universe (unless Strato Patrol EOS from Mass Attack is canon).
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PARACONSISTENT PHYSIOLOGY?! YOU MEAN LIKE, NONDUALITY?!
If that's the case, that's some of the best stuff we can get out of this game, as I don't see anything for an AP upscale, unless
HEAR ME OUT
We found something related to Digital Superhighway and Cyberion Highway (described as "A Cyber World anything goes"), which would act as a Multiverse connecting all of the cyber areas from the franchise (like in Robobot when Kirby goes into the computers) considering the meaning of the term "Digital Superhighway" literally refers to the collection of all virtual data that travels through the internet.
The constant presence of portals in the cyberspace courses would back it up too, with Nova being the potential creator, as this is where Zero-Two resides.
I mean, look at this and tell me there's nothing interesting about it:
There's the aforementioned portals, the floor twisting and bending, objects and space fading in and out of existence as if it's hyperspatial, and random size distortion.
I find this interesting, keeping in check the connections this course has to Nova.
In Japanese, it's called
デジタルハイウェイ
Is this anything?
The course "Cyberion Highway" has similar meaning. And similar things happen to back it up!
Thoughts @Eficiente @OrangeFR @Lou_change ?
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This game? No, that stuff was there since the original Dream Land. Look at the Explanations blog (the blog, not the page), the first topic covered. It's all there, I just need to change the wording, or simply inform characters get Paraconsistent Physiology from that.
That means nothing tho. In context, it refers to the gimmick of riders changing size, and the many things we see there. But even w/o that, it wouldn't mean anything.
That is one massive assumption. That does link the 3 diginal maps in-game, but not anything beyond that. Our current internet is just one possible design for a global network. The one seen in Robobot was used by the alien HWC, thereby being its own thing. And you're using the term Multiverse very loosely; Even if what you propose made sense and the Digital Superhighway connected all digital areas shown in the universe across the series, they would all be part of the same space/universe, being different areas of it. Not the same as a multiverse. A multiverse has universes, each universe ever-growing in size forever, and each with an incomprehensible space between them.
No, it can have portals because it has portals. Be it outside of itself, or to other areas of it self. Doesn't mean anything beyond that.
That is another massive assumption, and Zero Two is created there, it doesn't reside there as its house. Nova has great range in its ability to create enemies like this, which is its own thing.
Well, let's relax about it. It's a digital dimension with digital-like gimmicks. You can edit digital things and do whatever you want with them, to attribute "hyperspace" to that rather than the easier interpretation (That it's fading in and out bc it's fading in and out) is crazy.
Digital Highway? What about it?
So, as I'm writing in the sandbox, all the courses seen in Road Tri may not take place in the literal area we are right now; Rather, the main areas seen take place there, and the rest are filler. I'm 100% sure the digital Air Ride course, the digital Top Ride course, and Zero Two's digital boss area take place in Digital Superhighway. But that's about it.Is this anything?
The course "Cyberion Highway" has similar meaning. And similar things happen to back it up!
Thoughts @Eficiente @OrangeFR @Lou_change ?
Also, Magman and Pyribbit have this crazy stupid feat in which they flood half the whole Digital Superhighway with lava. But like there is no proof of its size being able to house celestial bodies, so "it's not that crazy."
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Yeah, sure. I was really just going off there.
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So is Elfilis still the most evil villain after the new Nova stuff? And is Nova the same individual as the Super Star one?
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Doing it with self-awareness makes all the difference. That's good to hear.
Judging the evil of the Kirby villains is a topic I enjoy:
I would say Elfilis isn't as bad as most people think. Before Star-Crossed World, they were implied to be invasive by nature, and after Star-Crossed World, they were shown to have a brother with the same family job. Makes you wonder how much freedom they had to choose to live their lives another way. We do know they have a heart with the ability to do good because of Elfilin; However, the idea that "their lives may be rigged into evil" remains the same, we still don't know how much nurishment their hearts would need to for them to become good. Anyone in a bad environment likely to grow up evil can have the ability to overcome their circumstances and be good anyway, doesn't remove the fact they are in an environment that makes it likely for them to grow up evil.
Then Elfilis was captured, which is justified. And they were kept on inhuman conditions for years, which violates human rights, completely unjustified regardless of their evil. And Elfilis had their heart split from their body, losing the ability to even be good for years to come. Obviously, Elfilis would sink in their evil desires. When merging back with Elfilin, there is no reason to say they kept Elfilin's memories, Elfilis' newfound capability for good passes by discreetly. Elfilin is all but shut down, Elfilis even being able to act the same when Elfilin emanated from their body, and when it got ripped away; It's like Elfilis is just Fecto Forgo in a new form.
The Figurine of Elfilis with their brother also implies they like each other. The brother did came to avenge Elfilis after all, and God of Chaos Chaos Elfilis uses their brother's spear.
Beyond all that, yes, Elfilis is a conqueror who wants to control planet after planet after planet, and destroys planets when things don't go their way. They use pawns as soldiers, manipulate others, uses slaves for labor, and is not just willing to murder, but regularly destroys the souls of those they consume, denying a potential afterlife.
As for Nova:
Now, we don't know if all mechanical stars are evil. It's possible, given how Star Dream is evil. But this would make the ancients evil, which is weird (they always had reasons to dodge being evil before), and Star Dream was built badly. Air Rider's narrative somewhat implies Nova chose to be evil, with Nova being a machine alive much like Zorah, who chose to be good and could work even with reduced to a little of its will.
If we say Nova chose evil, then it is a different kind of monster than Elfilis. It is a comet who became a meteor. Its actions aren't as destructive as Elfilis', and it would take years for Nova what Elfilis does in a day. But Nova has something going for it that makes it worse; Nova has no reason to be doing evil. Nova is not ideologically motivated or following a dogma. Nova doesn't have fellows to protect or honor. Nova does not seek to rule, believing itself to deserve the position. Nova does not gain anything from its actions, not power, not resources. Nova cultivates death, with much pain along the way if you're lucky. This is either the purest form of sadism, or it seeks eradication with 0 emotions. Nova is so evil, madness needs to be on the table as well to make sense of its character.
Star Dream was serving a master, seeking to grant its wish of prosperity based on its evaluation of life, however flawed that was. Hyness was an absolute bastard, but I can more or less see how a person may create religious beliefs to justify horrors; It's super immoral, but I can see the logic behind it.
With wanna-be conquers, you can always assume they want the position of power itself, to achieve it being a feat in and of itself, and maintaining it keeping them content. Maybe they will not care about the ones they rule, which would be apathy. Maybe they will care a little, whose to say. Maybe they are out to torment their subjects, which is terrible, but how much evil will they bring? Would a random Kawasaki keep on being able to sell food on his restaurant if Magolor takes over? Or Dark Mind? Or Sectonia (base form)? And so on.
You can have some microscopic level of understanding over how most villains may rationalize their actions and move on, making sense of who they became even if who they became is evil. Rationalization is crazy for the immoral. But with someone like Nova, there is either no rationalization, or it is something much worse, bc its actions give it nothing to work on. Again, Nova gains nothing, it takes w/o giving anything in return. If we say Nova chose to be evil, then Nova is the most evil Kirby villain with free will.
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Yeah, IMO it's something to think about, but in it's current state, just a theory. A G
Saw this on a Pure Evil Wiki discussion
What Darioman89 said sums up my thoughts pretty well. Also this.
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I wouldn't say there is 0 evidence of all mechanical stars being evil if there are only 2 we have seen and both are evil. Nova's character varies depending on the interpretation like that, it's valid to say it is pure evil, but it is not the only interpretation.
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