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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!

Considering the anime has to censor cigs and turn Mitsuki's V cut underwear to boxers.

How the hell are they going to show Zombieman Gore or any scene with Psykos and Do-S.
 
57Dev said:
At what level for you think OPM will be at the end.

I think Webcomic may just end at Planet level or maybe star level.

While the Manga was trying to push for the whole multiverse thing it will be significantly higher but also it seems we may not get multiverse stuff anyway since Void got retconned back into being offscreen fodder.
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Void was not offscreen fodder. The hell you on about?

Dude got back up from saitamas punch and one-shot an above Dragon level threat easily.

Not everyone needs to be Cosmic Fear Garou level.
 
Ovrhide said:
Void was not offscreen fodder. The hell you on about?

Dude got back up from saitamas punch and one-shot an above Dragon level threat easily.

Not everyone needs to be Cosmic Fear Garou level.
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It would still be 4A because it resists blast attacks even with great damage and I think the divine beasts should also be 4A technically since they are among the monsters that blast and co face even if they practically minimize them to God's pets
 
Translations are out. Put an "i" between r and the period.


I promise it's not an IP grabber.

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The chapter is pretty much as expected it's almost 1-1 with the webcomic. Glad the plot is progressing though.

As usual better than season 3.

Why did Murata put cake on that Hero Association recruiter btw 😭
 
For a guy who is very no nonsense, Genos's blue dragon body sure has a lot of cosmetic spikes.
 
Alexander said:
now, will people at least take the AI idea for a bit?
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When you say "AI idea", do you mean using AI instead of JC Staff to animate the anime?

If that is what you mean, then no, never. It is hard to imagine a human disgracing Murata's art and ONE's vision in the way that AI animation would.
 
Ourosboros said:
When you say "AI idea", do you mean using AI instead of JC Staff to animate the anime?

If that is what you mean, then no, never. It is hard to imagine a human disgracing Murata's art and ONE's vision in the way that AI animation would.
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I will rather let AI take over the world if it is less bad than to have greed corporations who are sociopathic in nature, and are the reason why OPM anime is so bad (less time/less payment)
also no, i will rather have them use it to help alot in the "animation" (if you understand what i mean with this) rather than replacing them.
 
Alexander said:
I will rather let AI take over the world if it is less bad than to have greed corporations who are sociopathic in nature, and are the reason why OPM anime is so bad (less time/less payment)
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And you don't corporations won't abuse generative AI to be greedy?
Alexander said:
also no, i will rather have them use it to help alot in the "animation" (if you understand what i mean with this) rather than replacing them.
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That is fair.
 
Alexander said:
I will rather let AI take over the world if it is less bad than to have greed corporations who are sociopathic in nature, and are the reason why OPM anime is so bad (less time/less payment)
also no, i will rather have them use it to help alot in the "animation" (if you understand what i mean with this) rather than replacing them.
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If AI is to take over the world, you should understand that it is most likely to take over the world on behalf of greedy corporations. We are not currently sure if truly independent AI (what they call Artificial General Intelligence) is possible.

AI represents a new level of intellectual concentration, where all art, literature, conversation, or whatever a particular model is assigned to imitate, is concentrated into one mass of data and then fused into a "new" product. For the near future, the most advanced level of fusion will require massive resources and wealth, so in the near future it will concentrate more and more creative power into the hands of those tech corporations which develop the most advanced AIs.

Even if the corporations do not want to control the way we think, they will passively influence all of us more and more as we use their AIs, because the corporate terms and services will limit what the AI can say about certain topics. Plus, the AI may even prefer some sources or mediums and push these onto the people using it. The more intense the use, the more thoughts will be shaped by the use of this technology.

Obviously, social media and other internet platforms do this already, but AI represents one step further in this direction. And given how monopolised AI technology is, a step towards more AI is often not a step towards democratisation, but towards dictatorship.

AI can be a useful tool for good things... but I do not think it is being used that way. Suppose it is used to animate S3 by Bandai Namco. In that case, it will only destroy the jobs of several secondary/contractor animators who, even if they are bad at their jobs, have dedicated their lives to this art.

If it is used to animate S3 by fans, the fan 'animation' will just get copyright struck if it enjoys any success.

I am very strongly opposed to its usage here.
 
Ourosboros said:
If AI is to take over the world, you should understand that it is most likely to take over the world on behalf of greedy corporations. We are not currently sure if truly independent AI (what they call Artificial General Intelligence) is possible.

AI represents a new level of intellectual concentration, where all art, literature, conversation, or whatever a particular model is assigned to imitate, is concentrated into one mass of data and then fused into a "new" product. For the near future, the most advanced level of fusion will require massive resources and wealth, so in the near future it will concentrate more and more creative power into the hands of those tech corporations which develop the most advanced AIs.

Even if the corporations do not want to control the way we think, they will passively influence all of us more and more as we use their AIs, because the corporate terms and services will limit what the AI can say about certain topics. Plus, the AI may even prefer some sources or mediums and push these onto the people using it. The more intense the use, the more thoughts will be shaped by the use of this technology.

Obviously, social media and other internet platforms do this already, but AI represents one step further in this direction. And given how monopolised AI technology is, a step towards more AI is often not a step towards democratisation, but towards dictatorship.

AI can be a useful tool for good things... but I do not think it is being used that way. Suppose it is used to animate S3 by Bandai Namco. In that case, it will only destroy the jobs of several secondary/contractor animators who, even if they are bad at their jobs, have dedicated their lives to this art.

If it is used to animate S3 by fans, the fan 'animation' will just get copyright struck if it enjoys any success.

I am very strongly opposed to its usage here.
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just because of bad actors?also that is not even exactly how AI works even when people say it that way...but i guess people will keep ignoring how it works and always say "it works by grabbing stuff and merging them with other stuff" because it works better for their own idea.
 
Alexander said:
just because of bad actors?
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Absolutely because of bad actors. The AI industry is 99% bad actors, I'm not going to focus on the 1% because the technology can be very useful.
Alexander said:
also that is not even exactly how AI works even when people say it that way...but i guess people will keep ignoring how it works and always say "it works by grabbing stuff and merging them with other stuff" because it works better for their own idea.
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Okay, so you think my opposition to AI is incorrect because I am not informed on how the models source what they generate.

In that case, please educate me on how it really works so I can have a more informed opinion.
 
Ourosboros said:
Okay, so you think my opposition to AI is incorrect because I am not informed on how the models source what they generate.

In that case, please educate me on how it really works so I can have a more informed opinion.
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it is more because of the fact that bad actors used it more than the definition that people are given it, which i find it confusing, since people hate AI more because of AI rather than the person using it.
AI basically learns to recognize patterns, like shapes, colors, styles and contexts and through that, it is able to recreate a image based on those parameters (where do you think the machine learning comes from?)
If it worked the way people say it does, then I don't think AI would have needed to be improved in the first place, because literally at the beginning, the generated images were distorted and weird. Currently, the images are coherent enough to pass as real unless people have a good eye.
 
Alexander said:
it is more because of the fact that bad actors used it more than the definition that people are given it, which i find it confusing, since people hate AI more because of AI rather than the person using it.
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There are many valid concerns to be had about AI. The more AI is used for say, text generation, the more humans lose creativity and critical thinking skills. AI, like any technology that makes life so much easier, has addictive potential, and if people give into this addiction (which they are incentivized to do in many environments), they will suffer by losing the many skills that AI is meant to replace.

AI is not inherently evil, but its misuse and overuse are both bad.
Alexander said:
AI basically learns to recognize patterns, like shapes, colors, styles and contexts and through that, it is able to recreate a image based on those parameters (where do you think the machine learning comes from?)
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Okay, so do we have the same notion on how the basics work, that's good.

Where I differ from your stance is on the question of learning- we know that the models use a dataset of images/essays/whatever medium we want to re-create and they are repeatedly shown patterns within in this dataset. I see this essentially as creative plagiarism because the mechanism for "learning" doesn't approximate the human re-creation of art in the same way that animators re-interpret the art of a mangaka.
Alexander said:
If it worked the way people say it does, then I don't think AI would have needed to be improved in the first place, because literally at the beginning, the generated images were distorted and weird. Currently, the images are coherent enough to pass as real unless people have a good eye.
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I am somewhat confused on what you think that we believe (we meaning people who oppose serious creative use of AI) regarding how AI works.

The generated images at the beginning were distorted and weird in the same way that 16-bit, 2-D pixel art is distorted compared to 1040p 3-d interactive art - there were fewer parameters between entities (AKA the AI might have been 'taught' the difference between a hand and a arm, but it has not been taught to distinguish between fingers), smaller learning sample pools (e.g. less art to steal from) and lower generation rates (frames per second generated/internal edits per sentence).
 
Ourosboros said:
There are many valid concerns to be had about AI. The more AI is used for say, text generation, the more humans lose creativity and critical thinking skills. AI, like any technology that makes life so much easier, has addictive potential, and if people give into this addiction (which they are incentivized to do in many environments), they will suffer.

AI is not inherently evil, but its misuse and overuse are both bad.
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sadly that is true, if it was for me, BAN AI from schools completely.
Ourosboros said:
Okay, so do we have the same notion on how the basics work, that's good.

Where I differ from your stance is on the question of learning- we know that the models use a dataset of images/essays/whatever medium we want to re-create and they are repeatedly shown patterns within in this dataset. I see this essentially as creative plagiarism because the mechanism for "learning" doesn't approximate the human re-creation of art in the same way that animators re-interpret the art of a mangaka.
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both sound like plagiarism but one seems to favor humanity...or it is speed the problem?because AI learns pretty fast.
Ourosboros said:
I am somewhat confused on what you think that we believe (we meaning people who oppose serious creative use of AI) regarding how AI works.

The generated images at the beginning were distorted and weird in the same way that 16-bit, 2-D pixel art is distorted compared to 1040p 3-d interactive art - there were fewer parameters between entities (AKA the AI might have been 'taught' the difference between a hand and a arm, but it has not been taught to distinguish between fingers), smaller learning sample pools (e.g. less art to steal from) and lower generation rates (frames per second generated/internal edits per sentence).
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that seems weird to say considering that, it was known from the start that they used alot of images from the internet to train the models, yet they still looked crappy anyway.
 
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
Has anyone asked them?
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Sadly, ONE and Murata haven't answered a fan Q&A since before Covid-19. So we'd never get an answer for that reason.

We'd also never get an answer because they gave the rights to Bandai Namco, and if they did say something negative... it might have legal consequences. It doesn't make sense for them to comment sadly.

I would say ask instead what the Japanese fan base thinks of the series, which is definitely more researchable. At this point, the hate for Season 3, although it seems based in reality as someone who hasn't seen the anime, has reached a spiral of self-sustaining negativity that will last until the season has ended. I am sure the Japanese fans are not so disappointed because such outrage would go against their culture.

Does anyone have news on the Japanese reception?
 
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
Has anyone asked them?
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They definitely wouldn't say what they actually think out loud. It would probably be something like "all animation takes time and work and we are glad someone animated the manga for us".

Even if said animation was the most mediocre soulless standard generated slop that could be mustered by human hands with the sole intention of making profits of an IPs name while investmenting the least.
 
Epiccheev said:
They definitely wouldn't say what they actually think out loud. It would probably be something like "all animation takes time and work and we are glad someone animated the manga for us".

Even if said animation was the most mediocre soulless standard generated slop that could be mustered by human hands with the sole intention of making profits of an IPs name while investmenting the least.
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It's a genius way to promote manga.

Either make it so good that people will want to read it, or make it so bad that people will have to read it.
 
Epiccheev said:
They definitely wouldn't say what they actually think out loud. It would probably be something like "all animation takes time and work and we are glad someone animated the manga for us".

Even if said animation was the most mediocre soulless standard generated slop that could be mustered by human hands with the sole intention of making profits of an IPs name while investmenting the least.
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Ourosboros said:
Sadly, ONE and Murata haven't answered a fan Q&A since before Covid-19. So we'd never get an answer for that reason.

We'd also never get an answer because they gave the rights to Bandai Namco, and if they did say something negative... it might have legal consequences. It doesn't make sense for them to comment sadly.

I would say ask instead what the Japanese fan base thinks of the series, which is definitely more researchable. At this point, the hate for Season 3, although it seems based in reality as someone who hasn't seen the anime, has reached a spiral of self-sustaining negativity that will last until the season has ended. I am sure the Japanese fans are not so disappointed because such outrage would go against their culture.

Does anyone have news on the Japanese reception?
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Fair enough.
MrTayman616 said:
It's a genius way to promote manga.

Either make it so good that people will want to read it, or make it so bad that people will have to read it.
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Almost all anime adaptations are advertising for the source material, so I don't know about that (I feel like it might actively turn people away from the source material instead).
 
For the manga, Anime itself is just an advertisement. And even getting a anime is pretty rare.
 
Ourosboros said:
Sadly, ONE and Murata haven't answered a fan Q&A since before Covid-19. So we'd never get an answer for that reason.

We'd also never get an answer because they gave the rights to Bandai Namco, and if they did say something negative... it might have legal consequences. It doesn't make sense for them to comment sadly.

I would say ask instead what the Japanese fan base thinks of the series, which is definitely more researchable. At this point, the hate for Season 3, although it seems based in reality as someone who hasn't seen the anime, has reached a spiral of self-sustaining negativity that will last until the season has ended. I am sure the Japanese fans are not so disappointed because such outrage would go against their culture.

Does anyone have news on the Japanese reception?
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The japanese hate it too lol they aren't blind
 
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