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Kirby General Discussion Thread (fun edition)

I consider the dream friends the like of marx & dark meta knight as non-canon, considering the character have never, I MEAN NEVER try & be friends with them again, like bro, kirby literally beat DMK & murdered his evil Master, why the **** would he try to get his help? (Plus, I feel like DMK is such volitale, evil being that I doubt he could actually hold a friend heart, hell he might just take damage from it),it was done for fan service purposes, same goes with the the paintings, I doubt we will ever see if the mage sisters & hyness again considering, but if we do.

They are likely good people now, hyness might be an ACTUAL good person for starters from the friend heart kirby did towards hyness (plus, I don't really think kirby genuinely wanted to bring back hyness, we never see ikirby directly throw that tiny friend heart towards hyness...where DID that friend heart come from anyways..)
 
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I consider the dream friends the like of marx & dark meta knight as non-canon, considering the character have never, I MEAN NEVER try & be friends with them again, like bro, kirby literally beat DMK & murdered his evil Master, why the **** would he try to get his help? (Plus, I feel like DMK is such volitale, evil being that I doubt he could actually hold a friend heart, hell he might just take damage from it),it was done for fan service purposes, same goes with the the paintings, I doubt we will ever see if the mage sisters & hyness again considering, but if we do.

They are likely good people now, hyness might be an ACTUAL good person for starters from the friend heart kirby did towards hyness (plus, I don't really think kirby genuinely wanted to bring back hyness, we never see ikirby directly throw that tiny friend heart towards hyness...where DID that friend heart come from anyways..)
I thought it was stated Marx was only pretending to be reformed because he saw the Jambastions as a bigger threat and wanted them out of the way?
 
I thought it was stated Marx was only pretending to be reformed because he saw the Jambastions as a bigger threat and wanted them out of the way?
Marx just doesn't want to **** with Kirby, like at all, because he knows he will have his shit kicked in, and this time, won't likely be able to climb back, he did survive his crash in with nova though, I do believe he does this though.
 
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About the ancients page, will you add recently suggested infor from the most current mainline game kirby game (& it's DLC)? considering how much lore it drops
Portrayed as a theory / speculation? For sure. Portrayed that they did built things on Popstar as a fact? No can do. Let's remember, "the facts don't care about your feelings"; In other words, yes, by portraying things that way, many fans will imagine that the ancients could have made those things. However, that is not the same as a confirmation. The intention could have been to speculate that the ancients did it, rather than to know that it is a confirmed fact (not that the intention matters anyway). For sure, a lot of fans will want every such portrayal of things to equal a confirmation, but if there is no substance behind their claims then that's that.

For example, if you make crime scene and the culprit had green gloves, and you much later introduce someone with green gloves, does that mean it is now a confirmed fact that this is the culprit and that your intention was that this is the culprit? No, that's dumb. Maybe it is the culprit, or maybe you simply wanted others to imagine that this might be the culprit; just to hold that thought, bc that's fun by itself.
Now that you pointed it out how weirdly characterized the characters were in star allies, I wonder they realized half way into developing the game or dlc of it & said to themselves "Hey, why WOULD kirby pardoned a literal cultist?" hopefully that was a one off thing, considering they did a major course correction with Fecto Forgo (& then again with its older brother, Fecto whatever the hell you pronounce itfilis), & the fact they portrayed magolor literally atoning for his misdeeds & sin, as he journeys through literal space-time paradox hell
Yeah. Once I turn all that blog into a series of videos, I will expand on my thoughts there; As long as that section is, it could have been much longer. They only had months to make that story, the original idea had something on the lines of Hyness getting affected by the Power of Friendship, but that's either not canon now or his evil made it so he didn't care, 'cause he went back to plotting the destruction of everyone. The story they made makes no f*cking sense, idk why the Mage-Sisters are transformed, what happens to the background in the end, what do the Mage-Sisters do to it after it, why the Friend Hearts are in these dimensions, why do the bosses keep the spears. But I think of the long term; In 15 years or so, a remake of Star Allies will be made, and I'm confident that they will not handle Heroes in Another Dimension and what happens after that in the same way.

I also can't get over how awful the name of Fecto's brother is.
I consider the dream friends the like of marx & dark meta knight as non-canon, considering the character have never, I MEAN NEVER try & be friends with them again, like bro, kirby literally beat DMK & murdered his evil Master, why the **** would he try to get his help? (Plus, I feel like DMK is such volitale, evil being that I doubt he could actually hold a friend heart, hell he might just take damage from it),it was done for fan service purposes, same goes with the the paintings, I doubt we will ever see if the mage sisters & hyness again considering, but if we do.
If you mean as in, "this fan-made cover sang by this character fits so well, this is now canon to me," sure. If you mean for real, I will have to tell you that this is not the case:

I get that, as a fan who cares, you would always want everyone to be smart and not do anything stupid. But the reality of the series is that, they will do stupid, nonsensical things like that if the writers feel like it. And they felt like it.
  • Story Mode and Heroes in Another Dimension are canon, you know that.
  • Dream Friends are canon from the start of the game, and more were added via updates. It's not like only the evil ones are DLC.
  • Kirby portrays all his friends at the end of Story Mode in his final attack, meaning they all helped him across the adventure.
  • Heroes in Another Dimension is stated time and again to be an adventure in which all Dream Friends (up to that point) help out.
  • Be it in the Wave intro showing the characters or pause descriptions, the narrative portrays a level of surprise on these events and caution towards teaming up with these villains, so the hero characters are not fully mindless in doing this.
Think about it like this: It's similar to how this is done in Mario, another Nintendo series for kids, with everyone turning a blind eye on their past crimes for a time. Now, yes, you could argue some Kirby characters are less simple, and the crimes of the villains are more awful, but that's neither here or there; The point is to see how such a choice makes sense by the devs' point of view, so the "points against it" don't matter next to how they would rationalize that it makes sense as something to do.
They are likely good people now, hyness might be an ACTUAL good person for starters from the friend heart kirby did towards hyness (plus, I don't really think kirby genuinely wanted to bring back hyness, we never see ikirby directly throw that tiny friend heart towards hyness...where DID that friend heart come from anyways..)
He's not though. That's what the "Post-Heroes in Another Dimension reformation" was all about. This is some small section from that part of the the blog:

"More importantly, the Jambastion cult is still shown to be evil even within the context of Kirby Star Allies, despite its story having practically ended and having so little screen time left.
Then there is the fact that they worship darkness, which is pretty much evil. And they worship a God of darkness, which they view as evil, and when they pray to it, it's almost never for the well-being of others. And they sing songs saying how much life sucks and view their (evil) feelings as sacred, entitling themselves to murder others if they feel disrespected. They didn't change the lyrics of those songs, didn't stop believing in their God of darkness, and they didn't change their teachings beyond how Hyness now cares for his daughters, and maybe how anyone under them doesn't get to die for the cause.

Even the latter bit is iffy, since the Mage-Sisters treated their soldiers like sh*t while they themselves didn't like the way Hyness was treating them. We need to assume the Mage-Sisters wouldn't do that under regular circumstances, but "under regular circumstances," back when Hyness was a ""better father,"" he still only saved the Mage-Sisters as girls to use them as tools (mature content here), so what hope is there for the Mage-Sisters to treat their soldiers properly? They understand the Power of Friendship when working with Kirby & co., sure, but they would rather not be with them. So it's easy to view that as not their style, something they only do bc those around them do the same. They are close and friendly with Hyness, but that is their foster-father and the Mage-Sisters are his daughters.
 
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Portrayed as a theory / speculation? For sure. Portrayed that they did built things on Popstar as a fact? No can do. Let's remember, "the facts don't care about your feelings"; In other words, yes, by portraying things that way, many fans will imagine that the ancients could have made those things. However, that is not the same as a confirmation. The intention could have been to speculate that the ancients did it, rather than to know that it is a confirmed fact (not that the intention matters anyway). For sure, a lot of fans will want every such portrayal of things to equal a confirmation, but if there is no substance behind their claims then that's that.

For example, if you make crime scene and the culprit had green gloves, and you much later introduce someone with green gloves, does that mean it is now a confirmed fact that this is the culprit and that your intention was that this is the culprit? No, that's dumb. Maybe it is the culprit, or maybe you simply wanted others to imagine that this might be the culprit; just to hold that thought, bc that's fun by itself.

Yeah. Once I turn all that blog into a series of videos, I will expand on my thoughts there; As long as that section is, it could have been much longer. They only had months to make that story, the original idea had something on the lines of Hyness getting affected by the Power of Friendship, but that's either not canon now or his evil made it so he didn't care, 'cause he went back to plotting the destruction of everyone. The story they made makes no f*cking sense, idk why the Mage-Sisters are transformed, what happens to the background in the end, what do the Mage-Sisters do to it after it, why the Friend Hearts are in these dimensions, why do the bosses keep the spears. But I think of the long term; In 15 years or so, a remake of Star Allies will be made, and I'm confident that they will not handle Heroes in Another Dimension and what happens after that in the same way.

I also can't get over how awful the name of Fecto's brother is.

If you mean as in, "this fan-made cover sang by this character fits so well, this is now canon to me," sure. If you mean for real, I will have to tell you that this is not the case:

I get that, as a fan who cares, you would always want everyone to be smart and not do anything stupid. But the reality of the series is that, they will do stupid, nonsensical things like that if the writers feel like it. And they felt like it.
  • Story Mode and Heroes in Another Dimension are canon, you know that.
  • Dream Friends are canon from the start of the game, and more were added via updates. It's not like only the evil ones are DLC.
  • Kirby portrays all his friends at the end of Story Mode in his final attack, meaning they all helped him across the adventure.
  • Heroes in Another Dimension is stated time and again to be an adventure in which all Dream Friends (up to that point) help out.
  • Be it in the Wave intro showing the characters or pause descriptions, the narrative portrays a level of surprise on these events and caution towards teaming up with these villains, so the hero characters are not fully mindless in doing this.
Think about it like this: It's similar to how this is done in Mario, another Nintendo series for kids, with everyone turning a blind eye on their past crimes for a time. Now, yes, you could argue some Kirby characters are less simple, and the crimes of the villains are more awful, but that's neither here or there; The point is to see how such a choice makes sense by the devs' point of view, so the "points against it" don't matter next to how they would rationalize that it makes sense as something to do.

He's not though. That's what the "Post-Heroes in Another Dimension reformation" was all about. This is some small section from that part of the the blog:

"More importantly, the Jambastion cult is still shown to be evil even within the context of Kirby Star Allies, despite its story having practically ended and having so little screen time left.
Then there is the fact that they worship darkness, which is pretty much evil. And they worship a God of darkness, which they view as evil, and when they pray to it, it's almost never for the well-being of others. And they sing songs saying how much life sucks and view their (evil) feelings as sacred, entitling themselves to murder others if they feel disrespected. They didn't change the lyrics of those songs, didn't stop believing in their God of darkness, and they didn't change their teachings beyond how Hyness now cares for his daughters, and maybe how anyone under them doesn't get to die for the cause.

Even the latter bit is iffy, since the Mage-Sisters treated their soldiers like sh*t while they themselves didn't like the way Hyness was treating them. We need to assume the Mage-Sisters wouldn't do that under regular circumstances, but "under regular circumstances," back when Hyness was a ""better father,"" he still only saved the Mage-Sisters as girls to use them as tools (mature content here), so what hope is there for the Mage-Sisters to treat their soldiers properly? They understand the Power of Friendship when working with Kirby & co., sure, but they would rather not be with them. So it's easy to view that as not their style, something they only do bc those around them do the same. They are close and friendly with Hyness, but that is their foster-father and the Mage-Sisters are his daughters.

Am just trying to go by the "Le power of friendship" Because I do agree that the mage sister & hyness should have been killed off, some of the dream friends piss me off because they really SHOULDN"T be dream friends, like, at all (DMK should have not being able to hold a friend heart, like at all, helly even be damaged by one.)

Also, am just going to call Fecto's Brother, Fecto Raditz (Because let's face it, they were literally RP as saiyan, going around wiping all life & ecosystems on planets.), everthing else you said in this post that I have agree that I understand & agree smewhat, I doubt without Hyness or The mages sisters, the Jambastion Cult wouldn't be substantial as a threat, considering they are literally the only threatining people there & the fact with them gone, morale would plummet, aswell as likely just...leave?
 
Am just trying to go by the "Le power of friendship" Because I do agree that the mage sister & hyness should have been killed off,
If the Mage-Sisters should have gotten killed off, yes and no. They were picked up since childhood and had a terrible father figure and religious leader, their evil is all on Hyness. (As I wrote on the personal note in the blog, I have no idea if Kumazaki believed they would have been just as evil under regular circumstances. We're just not going with something that insane.) The universe would safer without the Mage-Sisters and they may be too powerful to capture. On the other hand a story could have been written in which only Hyness is killed off, and then the Mage-Sisters change in some way.

The issue is, again as I wrote in the blog, the devs clearly want the status quo to remain the same, w/o the whole destroying the universe thing; They need to be able to show up as villains later if the devs feel like it, like the Mage-Sisters do in Fighters 2, and they also need to be friendly to the world at large, like how they show up in the Dream Kingdom. If they were to show up as racers in Air Riders, that wouldn't even be a contradiction. But they shouldn't do stuff like this with how evil they made them, as time goes on, the Mage-Sisters are missing more and more of the life they could have had under regular circumstances, just to serve their supreme being master Hyness, and Francisca's collection of corpses grows over time.
some of the dream friends piss me off because they really SHOULDN"T be dream friends, like, at all (DMK should have not being able to hold a friend heart, like at all, helly even be damaged by one.)
I get it, but the setting isn't too bad; The universe was in danger. This affects everyone, the more help the heroes get, the better. And there is caution about the villains helping out.

Now, the images of everyone hanging out may or may not be canon. Even then, that by itself is taking it too far.

I do think there is sh*tty writing around, but let's be more precise on where that is.
I doubt without Hyness or The mages sisters, the Jambastion Cult wouldn't be substantial as a threat, considering they are literally the only threatining people there & the fact with them gone, morale would plummet, aswell as likely just...leave?
Whether or not the Jambastion cult falls without Hyness is unclear, but I would say they sustain themselves: Yes, everyone mostly follows Hyness's will. But the minions don't just walk around corridors all day, they all follow Hyness's teachings, know they worship darkness, know how to pray to their God of darkness, and follow their evil priestesses (The Mage-Sisters) too. They were already okey with living in a them theme park-like house of horrors that can actually kill others, in ships that are flying war-crimes, everyone is willing to kill enemies, and they sopported Hyness when he tried to end the universe. I can see them choosing another leader in time. And it wouldn't be as bad a Hyness, but the same views that caused Hynesss so much hate and his further insanity are spoon-fed to everyone's minds there on a dayly basis, they would only be a little less evil. Heck, someone worse than Hyness could pop up eventually, if the universe isn't lucky.
 
I understand now, still, I believe that still should be held in comtempt like hyness, being raised by a bad person doesn't excuse their adhorrid nature, time will tell really.

One final thing that pieces me off, is that DAMNED Susie pause screen text, it feels like character regression (it feels like her japanese dialogue, the one were she swipes Star Dream headset off of her father's cranium , was misleading, & a lie.) but considering it doesn't mention her stopped what her father had done, idk.
 
I understand now, still, I believe that still should be held in comtempt like hyness, being raised by a bad person doesn't excuse their adhorrid nature, time will tell really.

One final thing that pieces me off, is that DAMNED Susie pause screen text, it feels like character regression (it feels like her japanese dialogue, the one were she swipes Star Dream headset off of her father's cranium , was misleading, & a lie.) but considering it doesn't mention her stopped what her father had done, idk.
Just in case, Susie's pause screen in Star Allies is poorly translated into English
 
Doesn’t Susie’s pause screen description say a similar thing about still mechanizing planets in the Jpn. version?
 
One final thing that pieces me off, is that DAMNED Susie pause screen text, it feels like character regression (it feels like her japanese dialogue, the one were she swipes Star Dream headset off of her father's cranium , was misleading, & a lie.) but considering it doesn't mention her stopped what her father had done, idk.
That's an interesting topic. For starters, everyone sees Haltmann as a victim, when in reality there is like a 50% chance he's clean of his crimes, and a 50% change he's as evil as the most destructive cult leader you could imagine (Sans Hyness). What was Haltmann doing back when he had a child? What was the HWC all about? We don't know; Maybe Star Dream started the whole, "decimate planets, erase everyone in it or mind enslave them" thing, or maybe Haltmann was already doing something similar himself, only with more limited in resources. Then he lost a child, very sad. Over time he started using Star Dream more and more, but it was implied that maybe he knew the effect this had on him own mind. And Star Dream didn't go crazy over time, so when did it propose to decimate planets, kill everyone in them or mind enslave them? (Assuming 100% of that was its idea.) Did Star Dream propose that at a point in time in which Haltmann knew what he was doing? Maybe, maybe not.

The tragedy of his life shouldn't cloud the fact that he 'might' have been an absolute monster.

When referring to Haltmann as a villain, it was said that he "appears to be obsessed with gold." Something that would justify invading planets for their resources and experimenting on their population. Thing is, do they mean this is the crazy Haltmann portrayed in-game, or his true self?

And then there is Susie. Under the interpretation that Haltmann was evil pre-Star Dream, it would be easier to see how Susie is on board with the same ideas.

Even if we assume otherwise, she expressed to enjoy her job, enjoyed herself in pretended courtesy with touches of sadism, and after the Star Dream situation, she never showed regret, she just ran away. Why would you assume she changed? It's not like she was already having doubts and was unsure of her cause. A machine went crazy and ruined everything, so how is that followed by her seeing the error of her ways? Surely she's just gonna rationalize that events went out of her hands and that's that, rather than her cause being a threat to everyone. The latter demands a level of decency years of genocide doesn't grant you, and it sounds crazy to say but that's just what they did. You can't say it's "character regression" if she never grew.

Furthermore, her Jpn. name is "Secretary Susie." She may as well be called "I work on the HWC Susie." She was never going to change.
Nope
(Apparently, Star Allies is the game that suffers the most from translation problems.)
Yes and no. That's actually a common thing fans get wrong; They use those claims in the Kirby wiki to water down Susie's character, I have seen it in reddit & youtube a lot. But look at what the game actually portrays on top of what we knew from her character before:
  • Susie's Wave 3 DLC Jpn. notification • Kirby Star Allies: A reference to her evil work, which she enjoys.
  • Susie's Story Mode Jpn. pause description • Kirby Star Allies:
    • "Please allow me to exterminate you!" Susie keeps her pretended courtesy, and murderous evil.
    • "The beauty from "Robobo Planet", Secretary Susie, joins the fight! While saying 'Jeez, I'm completely occupied with a full schedule', she's planning to rebuild the company which weaponizes science. I'll go on a business trip towards the distance riding in my beloved "Rireinbah"!" ---- Susie plans to rebuilt the evil HWC.
  • Susie's "Guest Star" Jpn. title, also present on her pause description during the mode · Kirby Star Allies: "With My Beam Gun, You'll Be Exterminated▾" Susie keeps her pretended courtesy with touches of sadism and murderous evil.
  • "Guest Star" Jpn. pause description translated · Kirby Star Allies:
    • "The company he built... I will bring it back!" Self-explanatory.
    • "Brushing aside a loose strand of shiny hair, the beautiful secretary Susie that inherited his will from Planet Robobot has taken action! A harmonious family, and a happy life, are offered with the power of science… I’ll exterminate the savages under such principles!" ---- Nuance!: Either A. She's a "well-intended" genocidal person, who wants to build a better future for some by killing off the savages (Which we know from her game is pretty much everyone, like every species on Popstar, which covers the rest of the universe, and even the Meta-Knights who have a futuristic spaceship). Or B. the description is again talking from the pov of her in her life, addressing the buyers and public across the universe, lying by selling a false narrative that makes her actions seem okey.
      • (Going by her characterization in her game and the media around it, I'm 90% sure "B" is correct. But let's say either can be correct.)
  • In silly title screen animations, she allows robots to pass, but chases off an organic creature after aiming her gun at them: It's a non-canon, yet correct portrayal of her murderous views. Very funny.
The Kirby wiki is also kinda terrible at understanding the nuance of the villains of the series with nuance. Calling Jambastion people a religion rather than a cult, thinking they redeemed themselves, not wanting you think too hard about Francisca's collection & quickly moving on from the topic, dismissing Magolor's evil comments as jokes, etc.

Now, the more professional WiKirby has this to say on the matter: "[...] Based on this, her quote about "harmony in families and happiness in life" reflects the Haltmann Works Company's tendency to mask its true intention behind positive-sounding corporate-speak (as seen with, for example, Clanky Woods 2.0 and its flavor text's discussion of being cost-reduced and eco-friendly)."
 
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Yeah, I mean, I went over the parts there that could matter the most. We already knew the following:
  • Lord of Chaos is actually a seen as a god by narration.
    • (This is unlike Void btw, whom the devs don't fully see as a god, with only the narrative doing so from the pov of the Jambastion cult, who do have VT as their God.)
    • (Elfilis also grew this powerful over this by gaining power over and over, something their species does, so it's not like they're all gods, if anyone was thinking that.)
  • The text above is the wrong English version, the final Chaos Elfilis didn't threaten "all of existence," just good old vague "everything."
As for the new stuff in this thread.
  • Why does the 3rd image in the album matter for how strong they are?
  • 4rd image; Yes, they are a god.
  • The 5th image may or may not be related to the time travel/causality manip that made Elfilis gain the spear of their brother. Also yes, they did cross a galaxy the size of our galaxy.
  • In the 5th image, I hope it's clear how those are surface level things. How many villains are in "solitude"? The more words one throws in to describe or sing about villains, the more of the same words you will find. As for あの星羅を超え… ("Beyond that star..."), it's just a fancy way of saying that it's an alien life form, be it from another planet or born in outer space all special like that. That's not to say that they didn't intent the connections necessarily, just that they are surface level.
  • 7th image, that just has nothing to do with Elfilis anymore. The star-creatures that travel across the universe are called the same as a star-shaped vehicle that can travel space at FTL speeds; A "twinkling star." ...Yes, why wouldn't they call them that? What about it? Again, maybe it's a reference, maybe not, but even if it is why does it matter?
  • 8th image:
    • "The way Elfilis is described as having ‘achieved/beome/made chaos’ greatly resembles Void Soul’s JP description":
    • "魂沌 Soul Chaos is the boss title of Void Soul, localized as Essence of Chaos. It replaces 混 kon in 混沌 konton, meaning Chaos, with 魂 Soul, which can be pronounced kon."
      • Similar to before. It's the Kirby series, the final form of the final boss is a Soul. Its title is going to say "Soul."
 
Now, you could argue that God of Chaos Chaos Elfilis is more powerful than Void Soul, being a god of chaos, whereas VT may or may not be a god, and because darkness is a form of power, with too much darkness being the same as having more power.

But godhood isn't indicative of power. And darkness and chaos are also indicative of one's state of mind and intentions. So it may simply be that Chaos Elfilis is "more driven to chaos," yet overcomes it (or not) since they're smart, whereas Void Soul has more simply goals and follows the darkness and chaos that make him up.

One could also interpret Void Soul to be an actual god, stronger than God of Chaos Chaos Elfilis, and at that point the latter's godhood wouldn't matter since it is a weaker god.

Not that they don't scale similarly anyway.
 
Btw Kirbros
Meteorz, a Kirby loremaster who probably knows more than any of us do about the lore, has made a video on Star Crossed World:



This should give us all a more final idea of what we could potentially reach for that we got from it~
 


So:
  • I need some workable footage of these cards. Someone with a big phose taking clean screenshots with no elements outside of the Star Fortune cards.
  • Spoilers for my next big revisions; I will ask to make profiles for "Void (Kirby)" and "Void's incarnation prior to Void Termina" (If you can come up with a better name, go for it). Void will only have "Non-existent Physiology" and "Reincarnation." No stats or anything, just a short list of his known incarnations; "Void's incarnation prior to Void Termina" and "Void Termina."
  • I have more arguments against the theory of Kirby being Void. Cool ig, it's beating the dead horse at this point.
Btw Kirbros
Meteorz, a Kirby loremaster who probably knows more than any of us do about the lore
To note, I consider myself on the same level of Kirby knowledge. I think a number of guys are on that same level, it's just that most people fall into many common errors that limits them, or simply lack the knowledge of how to get on that level.
 
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"Spreading his wings, “True Form Marx”!
Touching an opponent attaches Demon World Plants to them, inducing hallucinations.
Those caught in the illusion also take damage."

Huh, cool!

I guess that's the name of the unknown dimension Marx fought Kirby in?
 
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"Spreading his wings, “True Form Marx”!
Touching an opponent attaches Demon World Plants to them, inducing hallucinations.
Those caught in the illusion also take damage."

Huh, cool!

I guess that's the name of the unknown dimension Marx fought Kirby in?
Considering Sakurai is canonizing so many of the things he gave the Kirby cast in Smash, its only a matter of time before we get immeasurable speed Warp Star lmao
 
Hey, do you think I should make a Rick match-up, or should I hold off and wait for Air Rider's full release? I'll probably use the 5-A key regardless.
 
I guess that's the name of the unknown dimension Marx fought Kirby in?
That's a stretch.
Considering Sakurai is canonizing so many of the things he gave the Kirby cast in Smash, its only a matter of time before we get immeasurable speed Warp Star lmao
I disagreed with Imm. speed in Smash, and if the same reasons are used in Kirby, I would do so here as well. Ig I can expect people to reply to my arguments w/o being without passive-aggressive if it's this verse.

But no, that idea of "this being true, therefore this will be true in the future" makes very little sense with something that overly specific. An attack or design? Sure. But this is something else entirely, even if it was accurate.

Furthermore, ever since the thread that upgraded the Smash cast in speed, I found another reason to disagree with it; The setting takes place in the World of Imagination, a fantasy setting where you can find all kinds of different characters from different games, regardless of them existing in different universes (for example, Smash Arceus made the Smash PKMN universe), or in-universe existing countries or planets appart, even in different points in time. The Rays of Light reaching characters who exist in different points in time may very well do so bc those character already exist in the present as per the fantasy premise this world operates with. For example, you can find Silver running in Green Hill Zone in the present; Although, you could argue he hangs out in the present. Another example is how you can get duplicate trophies of the same character in certain moves, showing how more than 1 version of the same character can exist in the same universe.
 
Hey, do you think I should make a Rick match-up, or should I hold off and wait for Air Rider's full release? I'll probably use the 5-A key regardless.
Go for it. Even after the game comes out, it's going to take some time list up everything everyone can do, and then apply it all at once in 1 edit in every profile that needs to be edited. We didn't even add anything from Star-Crossed World yet.

The best match-up for Rick would be Yoshi. Idk if that could be made into a fair fight here.
 
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That's a stretch.
Okay but if you couldn't deduce by the question mark and lack of haste to get it indexed that I was literally just theorizing
I disagreed with Imm. speed in Smash, and if the same reasons are used in Kirby, I would do so here as well. Ig I can expect people to reply to my arguments w/o being without passive-aggressive if it's this verse.

But no, that idea of "this being true, therefore this will be true in the future" makes very little sense with something that overly specific. An attack or design? Sure. But this is something else entirely, even if it was accurate.

Furthermore, ever since the thread that upgraded the Smash cast in speed, I found another reason to disagree with it; The setting takes place in the World of Imagination, a fantasy setting where you can find all kinds of different characters from different games, regardless of them existing in different universes (for example, Smash Arceus made the Smash PKMN universe), or in-universe existing countries or planets appart, even in different points in time. The Rays of Light reaching characters who exist in different points in time may very well do so bc those character already exist in the present as per the fantasy premise this world operates with. For example, you can find Silver running in Green Hill Zone in the present; Although, you could argue he hangs out in the present. Another example is how you can get duplicate trophies of the same character in certain moves, showing how more than 1 version of the same character can exist in the same universe.
I was joking if the lmao didn't give it away
 
On a discord someone said that Kumazaki said that the warp stat’s “warp speed” was like time travel or smth so like maybe that’s immeasurable. I’ll try to get some scans out of that soon.
 
I was joking if the lmao didn't give it away
Well, sometimes people say that and what they say goes for real. But my bad.
On a discord someone said that Kumazaki said that the warp stat’s “warp speed” was like time travel or smth so like maybe that’s immeasurable. I’ll try to get some scans out of that soon.
You can look on the Warp Star's profile. It already has time travel. Not all speed-based time travel is the same as Immeasurable speed tho.
 
You can look on the Warp Star's profile. It already has time travel. Not all speed-based time travel is the same as Immeasurable speed tho.
I suppose. Didn’t think about it, but when Air Riders fully drops we can upgrade the Warp Star’s AP and Dura to low multi.
 
Yes and no. That's an Air Machine Warp Star, not the same as a regular Warp Star. But yes, they are on the same level as their riders.
 
Air Machines are these white things that fall from the sky and Riders put their will into them to turn them into Air Machines. Warp Stars have always existed in Popstar.
 
Air Machines are these white things that fall from the sky and Riders put their will into them to turn them into Air Machines. Warp Stars have always existed in Popstar.
were actual warp stars used in the og Air Ride? Stuff from that game is on the WS profile rn, I kinda assumed it was the same.
 
It is new lore from the last Sakurai video, which will also be on the game. The profiles will have to be changed after the game comes out (not that this wouldn't be the case already). It's going to be a lot of work.
 
At some point in the past I said I would downgrade the Waddle Dees at their weakest due to some statements of how weak they are. But it turns out, even with that, they got another feat that puts them on the same level as any regular enemy. I already added that to their profile.
 
So apparently Kirby is put under the category of being a “dark matter being”, which IIRC just isn’t true right?
 
That has 3 layers of being nonsense. Kirby is not a reincarnation of Void, Void Termina isn't a Dark Matter, and even if he was the ever-reincarnating Void wouldn't be a Dark Matter, and that would be what Kirby is claimed to be. Who the hell added that.
 
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