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Bill Cipher vs Kiana

Use Raiden Bosenmori Mei too while youre at it
You mean Acheron?
 
What's Bill's starting move? Transmutation and EE? Can he also resist the buttload of Honkai passive hax?
 
What can Honkai passive hax do?
 
So all hax is passive?
 
(StrymULTRA, I NEED YOU)
So ugh... can it interact with his NEP3?
Honkai Energy can interact with NEP1, which can interact with NEP3 just fine, since NEP3 you still exist just behave as nonexistent when getting attacked, and the energy can interact with concept which Bill do not lack

Also Kiana is in her Herrscher form, which mean she is Concept Type 1 AE1
 
Honkai Energy can interact with NEP1, which can interact with NEP3 just fine, since NEP3 you still exist just behave as nonexistent when getting attacked, and the energy can interact with concept which Bill do not lack

Also Kiana is in her Herrscher form, which mean she is Concept Type 1 AE1
In my understanding of NEP3 it is different from NEP1, because it is both existent (1) and non-existent (0) so you need to touch those two aspects to touch NEP3 (or this is my understanding and could be wrong), anyway Bill's AE1 Idea exists across the 14D Realm of Idea and Kiana's hax can touch there?
 
What's Bill's starting move? Transmutation and EE? Can he also resist the buttload of Honkai passive hax?
His Mindscape form usually starts by using his charm to lure in opponents although I don't know what it will do since by SBA rules every character will have to aim to destroy the opponent
 
Spite match. 14D vs 12D (even if its Kiana/Tuna).
Don't blame me, I'm not good at finding characters with same D (especially as their tiers get higher and higher) and in fact the portal only shakes the 14D structure (shaking is weaker than destroying) and destroying the structure is Overtime with Rift, so i guess D difference is not that stomp
 
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Still. Hoyo caps at 12D, even for Aeons. Only exception that has a profile in the wiki is also Tier 0
 
In my understanding of NEP3 it is different from NEP1, because it is both existent (1) and non-existent (0) so you need to touch those two aspects to touch NEP3 (or this is my understanding and could be wrong), anyway Bill's AE1 Idea exists across the 14D Realm of Idea and Kiana's hax can touch there?
Just 0 and 1, 0 is nonexistent which is NEP Nature 1, 1 is existent, everyone can touch existent

Kiana do not have range to affect the totality of Bill, but Bill can't intetact with kiana AE1 concept type 1
 
Just 0 and 1, 0 is nonexistent which is NEP Nature 1, 1 is existent, everyone can touch existent

Kiana do not have range to affect the totality of Bill, but Bill can't intetact with kiana AE1 concept type 1
Blame Bill for not clearly stating the Realm of Idea to scale to AE1 Concept type 1. Anyway... even if he can't interact, with Bill's charisma, he can still talk and trick Kiana, right?
 
Blame Bill for not clearly stating the Realm of Idea to scale to AE1 Concept type 1. Anyway... even if he can't interact, with Bill's charisma, he can still talk and trick Kiana, right?
No, he can't talk or trick her, as long as he remain a threat
 
Blame Bill for not clearly stating the Realm of Idea to scale to AE1 Concept type 1. Anyway... even if he can't interact, with Bill's charisma, he can still talk and trick Kiana, right?
Why would she even agree to his deals or do anything, considering he's a dorito shaped monster who is most certainly dangerous and a threat?
 
Supernatural Charisma and Supergenius intelligence will help him
It won't. It certainly won't work when she actively views losing to him as something that would have great consequences. AKA, she's never taking a deal with him.
 
Non-Physical Interaction (Spirits, Incorporeality, Memories, Dreams, Empatic, Limited Data, Abstract Thoughts, InformationType 2】, ConceptType 1】& NonexistenceNatureType 1〉】;
So no interaction with ideas huh...

Also if her range is 12D, she ain't doing anything to Type 9 Immortality, so it's even more of a stomp.
 
So no interaction with ideas huh...

Also if her range is 12D, she ain't doing anything to Type 9 Immortality, so it's even more of a stomp.
NPI Concept cover NPI Ideas so she can certainly interact with Bill, she just do not have enough range to affect the entirety of his existence
 
NPI Concept cover NPI Ideas so she can certainly interact with Bill
Does it, though? The wiki seems to separate concepts and ideas, thus they are two different things. Otherwise Bill would have an actual Conceptual Manipulation after all.
Kind of like soul and mind can go together but usually are not assumed to be so?
she do not have enough range to affect the entirety of his existence
True.
 
Does it, though? The wiki seems to separate concepts and ideas, thus they are two different things. Otherwise Bill would have an actual Conceptual Manipulation after all.
Kind of like soul and mind can go together but usually are not assumed to be so?
Concept are Ideas, except they are fundamental ideas that shape and define thing, while normal Ideas are mental ideas which have no impact on reality, did almost nothing at all, kinda non-qualifying concept
 
Concept are Ideas, except they are fundamental ideas that shape and define thing, while normal Ideas are mental ideas which have no impact on reality, did almost nothing at all, kinda non-qualifying concept
Can Bill use timestop on her?
 
Concept are Ideas, except they are fundamental ideas that shape and define thing, while normal Ideas are mental ideas which have no impact on reality, did almost nothing at all, kinda non-qualifying concept
Isn't this kind of what Type 3 Concept is?
 
Or simply Kiana tricked Bill into her mind and wiped her memory to erase Bill like Ford did.
 
Can Bill use timestop on her?
No, she resists Timestop at conceptual level, since Herrschers is a conceptual entity that manipulate certain concept. Kiana is a Herrschers of Finality which control the concept of Time which includes all application of time hax lime timestop


and she resists her own powers which is Authority of Finality

  • Time Manipulation & Time Stop (Kevin wielding a similar amount of the Authority of Finality allowed him to move inside of Kiana's absolute time fracture, and the Authority of Ice was later used in the 5th Divine Key to create bunkers and cryo-preservation pods that would be resistant to the effects of time-rewind imposed by the full Herrscher of Finality)

Isn't this kind of what Type 3 Concept is?
?

Or simply Kiana tricked Bill into her mind and wiped her memory to erase Bill like Ford did.
She never do that kind of thing
 
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