HELLSING; Vampire Physiology + Minor Alucard Regen Downgrade

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Ms.Luzifer/Vampire Physiology (Hellsing)

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A Vampire Physiology for the verse, to slightly clean up their pages and make it easier to add abilities.

Here are the characters effected by this

Vampires: Alucard, Seras

Artificial Vampires: Tubalcain Alhambra, The Valentine Brothers, Rip Van Winkle, Zorin Blitz, and Vampire Walter

Minor Alucard Regen Downgrade
So currently Alucard's Base Regen is High-Mid due to him Regenerating his entire body until bones appeared, and regenerating his head and arm

However in the HELLSING Guidebook (this is relating to him regenerating his Head)
it's stated that the reason Alucard didn't die from getting beheaded was because of his Soul Regen (which is Low-Godly)

Since Regening from decapitation is Mid Regen, Alucard should get downgraded their Regular Regen downgraded to Low-Mid

Agree: @Crabwhale (Agrees with Regen downgrade), @ActuallySpaceMan42 (Agrees with Regen downgrade

Disagree: @Crabwhale (Disagrees with adding a Vampire Physiology)

Neutral:

 

[Random-Helper323]

I always thought the decapitation would kill him without his soul stock. So, you're not being clear here, is this regeneration downgrade for Alucard without any souls, and what's that about Low-Godly? The regeneration part of this is pretty unclear.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Low-Godly?

Low-godly resurrection already had in alucard's profile.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

I always thought the decapitation would kill him without his soul stock. So, you're not being clear here, is this regeneration downgrade for Alucard without any souls,

yes, I specified it as "Regular Regen"

and what's that about Low-Godly? The regeneration part of this is pretty unclear.

"Soul Regen"

 

[Robo432343]

immortality 9 should stay
i forgot Alucard's souls are stored within his coffin

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

immortality 9 should stay
i forgot Alucard's souls are stored within his coffin

...I feel like this should be something that should have been on the profile in the first place, like why isn't there an explanation

 

[Random-Helper323]

Low-godly resurrection already had in alucard's profile.

Isn't that for Schrodinger?

yes, I specified it as "Regular Regen"

When we're discussing Alucard, his "regular" regeneration could refer to his soul stock given that he has it 90% of the time.

"Soul Regen"

Alucard regenerating from physical non-existence sounds like Schrodinger rather than his soul stock.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Isn't that for Schrodinger?

No. He always had "can reform his whole body by sacrificing one soul". But honestly, that would be more of a low godly resurrection, since he only does that if he dies.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Isn't that for Schrodinger?

both keys have low godly

When we're discussing Alucard, his "regular" regeneration could refer to his soul stock given that he has it 90% of the time.

The explanation for Low-Godly on the wiki is
"The ability to regenerate from the complete physical destruction of the user's body, instead restoring it from their disembodied consciousness, whether that be their soul, mind, some other non-physical aspect of themself, esoteric or metaphysical energy, or something else"

while idk who added that on the profile, I'm assuming it was added because it was the most upper limit to soul regen

 

[Random-Helper323]

I'm not sure we can give Pre-Schrodinger Alucard Low-Godly. Schrodinger Alucard got it for recreating his body from physical non-existence. No such feat exists for Pre-Schrodinger. The best I can think of is regeneration from a mass of goop and the fact he turns into bats and bugs and regrows from that.

 

[Crabwhale]

Disagree with even needing a physiology page, to be honest. Verse just does not have that big a number of characters.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Disagree with even needing a physiology page, to be honest. Verse just does not have that big a number of characters.

The page meets the requirements to exist.

Regarding Verse-specific Powers and Abilities, keep in mind that these pages should only be made when at least 5 characters in total possess the relevant ability or a resistance to it, while also being indexed with them in this wiki, and said ability includes at least 10 other powers and abilities, in order to avoid redundant repetitions in character profiles.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Do the characters have enough abilities to warrant a physiology page though? Typically that's done when the verse either has a positively huge number of characters with the same abilities, or a massive list of abilities possessed by many characters, or both. I'm unsure Hellsing vampires in general have enough abilities to make a page about them, and there are only 8 vampires in total with the majority of abilities being uniquely Alucard's.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Do the characters have enough abilities to warrant a physiology page though? Typically that's done when the verse either has a positively huge number of characters with the same abilities, or a massive list of abilities possessed by many characters, or both. I'm unsure Hellsing vampires in general have enough abilities to make a page about them, and there are only 8 vampires in total with the majority of abilities being uniquely Alucard's.

Regarding Verse-specific Powers and Abilities, keep in mind that these pages should only be made when at least 5 characters in total possess the relevant ability or a resistance to it, while also being indexed with them in this wiki, and said ability includes at least 10 other powers and abilities, in order to avoid redundant repetitions in character profiles.

 

[Random-Helper323]

I read your above post earlier. That doesn't mean we should really be making a physiology page for a relatively short list of abilities.

It doesn't help that the artificial vampires actually outclass the normal vampires due to copying Alucard, so their abilities are more like Knock-Off Alucard Physiology than Vampire Physiology.

 

[Crabwhale]

The page meets the requirements to exist.

Meeting the bare bones requirements to exist doesn't mean I have to like it or approve of it. I don't believe Hellsing vampires are complicated enough to have an entire page going into comprehensive detail about it, and certainly even less so when the majority of the people which this would apply to aren't even proper vampires. Artificial ones get barely any of the super impressive/complex shit that Seras and especially Alucard can tap into.

There is an epidemic of unnecessary verse-specific power pages on the wiki and I would rather not contribute to it.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Disagree with even needing a physiology page, to be honest. Verse just does not have that big a number of characters.

so you disagree with the physiology, what about the downgrade to Alucard's regular regen?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I read your above post earlier. That doesn't mean we should really be making a physiology page for a relatively short list of abilities.

But that's a matter of opinion. I answered above because they said I hadn't reached a sufficient number of characters, when I had.

It doesn't help that the artificial vampires actually outclass the normal vampires due to copying Alucard, so their abilities are more like Knock-Off Alucard Physiology than Vampire Physiology.

What? Normal vampires are vampires, like Alucard. The thing is, he got too strong. Artificial vampires can't turn others into vampires, unlike real vampires, like Alucard or that priest from the beginning. Before learning about artificial vampires, Alucard hoped that those vampire boyfriends to regenerate their wounds, transform into bats or mist. The same goes for Luke. Alucard thought that because Luke was a vampire, he could regenerate his legs, transform, and summon familiars. Because Alucard thought he was a "normal" vampire who could do that. But later we learn that they were artificial vampires who lacked several vampire abilities.

Meeting the bare bones requirements to exist doesn't mean I have to like it or approve of it.

So just say you don't like it. Instead of saying there aren't enough characters, when there are.

 

[Vietthai96]

So just say you don't like it. Instead of saying there aren't enough characters, when there are

Actually, aside from meeting the required number of user, there is also thr amount of abilities requirement, so yeah, need a considerate amount of abilities

 

[Random-Helper323]

But that's a matter of opinion. I answered above because they said I hadn't reached a sufficient number of characters, when I had.

Meeting the minimum number doesn't mean it should be made. The purpose of a verse specific powers page is to prevent ability lists from extending to the horizon, not to be made automatically when a verse has more than five of the same species.

What? Normal vampires are vampires, like Alucard. The thing is, he got too strong. Artificial vampires can't turn others into vampires, unlike real vampires, like Alucard or that priest from the beginning. Before learning about artificial vampires, Alucard hoped that those vampire boyfriends to regenerate their wounds, transform into bats or mist. The same goes for Luke. Alucard thought that because Luke was a vampire, he could regenerate his legs, transform, and summon familiars. Because Alucard thought he was a "normal" vampire who could do that. But later we learn that they were artificial vampires who lacked several vampire abilities.

He said Luke was stronger than any vampire he'd met. The priest didn't display the same abilities as Alucard, the surface walking is never shown by normal vampires, and so on. There are too many uncertainties and differences between artificial and real vampires to make an ability page for them both.

So just say you don't like it. Instead of saying there aren't enough characters, when there are.

It isn't that there aren't "enough characters". There aren't many abilities to warrant a separate page, and just being over five doesn't automatically mean it should be made. Verses like Dragon Ball and Bleach have so many characters and/or abilities that they need those pages. Hellsing does not, from what I can tell.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

verse specific powers page is to prevent ability lists from extending to the horizon

In fact, there are only 10, and it doesn't even say that they need to be complex skills.

He said Luke was stronger than any vampire he'd met. The priest didn't display the same abilities as Alucard, the surface walking is never shown by normal vampires, and so on. There are too many uncertainties and differences between artificial and real vampires to make an ability page for them both.

You're talking about physical strength. Normal vampires are superior to artificial vampires in abilities; they have more abilities, as Alucard mentions. Strength itself is more the sum of the character's power and the vampiric transformation. Walter himself destroyed Alucard, but in terms of vampiric abilities, he didn't have much.

The priest appeared for a very short time and was killed quickly, he didn't have time to show anything (although he could turn others into vampires)

Surface walking is kind of bleh? Like, we only have three "normal" vampires in the series. The Priest from the beginning who died quickly (we don't even know if he had already turned someone into a familiar), Alucard, and Seras. The first one didn't even have any screen time; Alucard demonstrated surface walking, and Seras basically demonstrated the same as Alucard to a lesser extent.

It isn't that there aren't "enough characters". There aren't many abilities to warrant a separate page, and just being over five doesn't automatically mean it should be made. Verses like Dragon Ball and Bleach have so many characters and/or abilities that they need those pages. Hellsing does not, from what I can tell.

The rules are like: 5 characters and 10 skills (less if they're very important).

If I have 5 characters and they have 10 extremely simple skills like superhuman physiques, natural weaponry, large size, etc. That already meets the requirements.

If the problem is that you didn't meet the requirements for the number of powers, it's basically just 2 missing to meet 10. I remember that artificial vampires have low regeneration, which would already give them 9 powers, with just one missing.

 

[Random-Helper323]

In fact, there are only 10, and it doesn't even say that they need to be complex skills.

Minimum requirements doesn't mean the page needs to be made, and its purpose is still as I described.

You're talking about physical strength. Normal vampires are superior to artificial vampires in abilities; they have more abilities, as Alucard mentions.

He's comparing them to himself. No normal vampire displays the abilities he describes so we can't assume they have them. We also know that he doesn't consider vampires to be real vampires in a sense anyway, since none have lived up to himself.

The priest appeared for a very short time and was killed quickly, he didn't have time to show anything (although he could turn others into vampires)

Surface walking is kind of bleh? Like, we only have three "normal" vampires in the series. The Priest from the beginning who died quickly (we don't even know if he had already turned someone into a familiar), Alucard, and Seras. The first one didn't even have any screen time; Alucard demonstrated surface walking, and Seras basically demonstrated the same as Alucard to a lesser extent.

We don't know what regular vampires can do, I'm afraid it really is that simple. We can't assume they can do what Alucard can do, we can't assume they can do what the artificial vampires can do since they are Alucard knock-offs. All we really have to go on is the priest.

The rules are like: 5 characters and 10 skills (less if they're very important).

If I have 5 characters and they have 10 extremely simple skills like superhuman physiques, natural weaponry, large size, etc. That already meets the requirements.

If the problem is that you didn't meet the requirements for the number of powers, it's basically just 2 missing to meet 10. I remember that artificial vampires have low regeneration, which would already give them 9 powers, with just one missing.

It isn't about basic requirements to qualify. It's about whether it's really needed.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

He's comparing them to himself. No normal vampire displays the abilities he describes so we can't assume they have them. We also know that he doesn't consider vampires to be real vampires in a sense anyway, since none have lived up to himself.

Alucard compares them to himself because he's a "normal vampire." The difference is basically two, the many souls observed and the Occultism that Hellsing did to improve it, but like, Alucard is hundreds of years old, he wouldn't be ignorant in knowing what a common vampiric ability is for a vampire. When Seras awakened and acquired her first familiar, she displayed essentially the same set of vampiric powers as Alucard.

We don't know what regular vampires can do, I'm afraid it really is that simple. We can't assume they can do what Alucard can do, we can't assume they can do what the artificial vampires can do since they are Alucard knock-offs. All we really have to go on is the priest.

But the page doesn't give all of Alucard's P&A for normal vampires. The tab only lists what normal vampires explicitly have that artificial ones don't (regeneration, blood absorption and derivatives, immortality, transformations, familiars, etc.)

And everything listed in the artificial vampires tab are statements from general vampires (not specifying a type, whether artificial or normal), which the artificial ones have also shown to have.

Furthermore, the artificial ones were made from Mina's cells.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Alucard compares them to himself because he's a "normal vampire." The difference is basically two, the many souls observed and the Occultism that Hellsing did to improve it, but like, Alucard is hundreds of years old, he wouldn't be ignorant in knowing what a common vampiric ability is for a vampire. When Seras awakened and acquired her first familiar, she displayed essentially the same set of vampiric powers as Alucard.

She was directly turned by him and immediately grew to his level after drinking Pip. She's clearly not normal.

But the page doesn't give all of Alucard's P&A for normal vampires. The tab only lists what normal vampires explicitly have that artificial ones don't (regeneration, blood absorption and derivatives, immortality, transformations, familiars, etc.)

And everything listed in the artificial vampires tab are statements from general vampires (not specifying a type, whether artificial or normal), which the artificial ones have also shown to have.

The issue is whether such a page is needed or even bemeficial, not whether it satisfies the minimum requirements to be made.

Furthermore, the artificial ones were made from Mina's cells.

Yes, hence why they surpassed normal vampires.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

She was directly turned by him and immediately grew to his level after drinking Pip. She's clearly not normal.

We don't really know what the average power of a normal vampire with familiars is. So we have no way of knowing.

Yes, hence why they surpassed normal vampires.

They are inferior to normal vampires in terms of being a vampire. They don't even have the essential ability of a vampire: absorbing the soul through blood.

Strength itself depends on factors other than vampire tier. It depends on the person's own strength before becoming a vampire. Like Walter, who was already strong even past his prime, and was boosted by becoming an artificial vampire and returning to his youth, becoming so strong that he nearly defeated Alucard.

 

[Vietthai96]

I just want to ask, how many ability vampire physiology suppose to have?

 

[Random-Helper323]

We don't really know what the average power of a normal vampire with familiars is. So we have no way of knowing.

Exactly my point. We can't assume they have Alucard or Seras' abilities, and we can't assume they have artificial vampires' abilities, and even if we could we literally only meet one in the whole series, so it's basically irrelevant.

They are inferior to normal vampires in terms of being a vampire. They don't even have the essential ability of a vampire: absorbing the soul through blood.

Although no other vampire has the soul stock abilities of Alucard even though the only one we meet was about to consume a whole town, so maybe that isn't a standard vampire thing.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Exactly my point. We can't assume they have Alucard or Seras' abilities, and we can't assume they have artificial vampires' abilities, and even if we could we literally only meet one in the whole series, so it's basically irrelevant.

Strength has nothing to do with the number of powers... a physically stronger vampire doesn't have more powers than another.

Most of the information on the page is statements about a vampire's basic powers, whether they're artificial or not. The artificial tab is basically just that. Besides, as far as I remember, it's never mentioned that artificials are special in any way because they came from Mina. They even lack the soul absorption that the Major cites as the essence of a vampire. Alucard also ridicules them for not being able to shapeshift, summon familiars, etc. (which Alucard insinuates is something any vampire should be able to do).

And on the vampire tab, I think only regeneration and stat amplification aren't based on a general statement.

Although no other vampire has the soul stock abilities of Alucard even though the only one we meet was about to consume a whole town, so maybe that isn't a standard vampire thing.

The major mentions that this absorption is the essence of a vampire. It's basically their main thing.

Now, this is going to be a guessing game for me, but it seems there's some kind of condition. Like, Alucard always drinks Integra's blood and doesn't consider her a familiar.

I just want to ask, how many ability vampire physiology suppose to have?

From what I said on the page, there are 8 artificial vampires, and 11 normal/real vampires (+ those 8 before)

 

[Vietthai96]

From what I said on the page, there are 8 artificial vampires, and 11 normal/real vampires (+ those 8 before)

I mean the amount of ability, not amount of vampire

 

[Robo432343]

I mean the amount of ability, not amount of vampire

you need at least 10 abilities and vampires have 10

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I mean the amount of ability, not amount of vampire

I was talking about P&A, but I forgot to mention that.

There are 8 P&A for artificial ones and 11 (+ these 8) for normal/real ones. From what I could tell on the page.

 

[Random-Helper323]

I'd say such a page probably isn't necessary. It seems like its main purpose is to shorten Alucard's ability list, but it seems like it barely makes a dent in it, and meanwhile anyone reading a different character's page is essentially given homework to read another page for a few basic abilities.

 

[Vietthai96]

I was talking about P&A, but I forgot to mention that.

There are 8 P&A for artificial ones and 11 (+ these 8) for normal/real ones. From what I could tell on the page.

Alright, i think it is fine then

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I'd say such a page probably isn't necessary.

I'm neutral about the specific need. I personally like it.

read another page for a few basic abilities.

I've seen pages like this with like 5 P&A only. lol

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Alright, i think it is fine then

voting for agree?

 

[Vietthai96]

voting for agree?

Not yet, i have yet to evaluate the sandbox, just fine with the creation of the verse-specific power page

 

[Random-Helper323]

I'm neutral about the specific need. I personally like it.

I've seen pages like this with like 5 P&A only. lol

They shouldn't do it unless there are so many characters that the page covers most of a verse.

 

[Crabwhale]

Actually, aside from meeting the required number of user, there is also thr amount of abilities requirement, so yeah, need a considerate amount of abilities

Which most of the vampires here do not even have. Again, artificial ones do not display anywhere close to the breadth of abilities shown by Alucard's line.

So just say you don't like it. Instead of saying there aren't enough characters, when there are.

Two different clauses in what I said. I don't like it, personally, yes. I felt it important to be transparent about that. I also do not approve of it, professionally.

They are inferior to normal vampires in terms of being a vampire. They don't even have the essential ability of a vampire: absorbing the soul through blood.

Which creates another issue in having a vampire page, in that you'd have to specify and clarify on the page itself the difference between regular and artificial vampires, taking away from the universality of the power, which is the whole point of having it.

so you disagree with the physiology, what about the downgrade to Alucard's regular regen?

Separating his regen from his soul stuff seems kinda weird in the first place, but sure. Seems alright.

 

[Vietthai96]

Which most of the vampires here do not even have. Again, artificial ones do not display anywhere close to the breadth of abilities shown by Alucard's line.

Aren't no way, so each vampire have specific abilities? Is there anything common between them other than being.......ehhh............vampire?

 

[Random-Helper323]

Aren't no way, so each vampire have specific abilities? Is there anything common between them other than being.......ehhh............vampire?

Just the enhancement and regeneration.

Separating his regen from his soul stuff seems kinda weird in the first place, but sure. Seems alright.

It's to do with his regeneration being reduced when he doesn't have his soul supply.