In fairness, Alucard looks down on other vampires too. And he admitted Luke was stronger than any vampire he'd met up until then, so my comment that Millennium vampires are attempted copies of Alucard and that some are pretty strong kind of holds true here.
True, but that doesn't really counter the fact that Alucard admitted Luke was superior to any other vampires he'd met before. Turning other people into vampires is an ability, but not automatically the same as all the others, and we know speed and power clearly favoured Luke over other vampires.
Yeah, but he's waiting for Luke to use abilities like Alucard's own, because Luke has claimed to be Alucard's equal and Alucard has stated that Luke is above a "class A" vampire, implying a high level.
Better to look at the priest who is weaker than Luke, and Seras who never developed abilities to the same extent as Alucard's.
Maybe. Alucard had just taken a beating from Anderson, and had lost all his familiars. But sure. Walter did seem pretty dominant.
This line of logic is very reasonable for Walter, but not Luke or the Millennium vampires. Walter was able to fight the Captain when he was a teenager. He was obviously some kind of supersoldier or something. He was quite literally already superhuman and above normal vampires even before the change. The only Millennium officer we meet as a human is Rip, and she didn't seem special. We do meet other strong humans like Yumie and Integra, but Walter is vastly above them. What's more, when Tubalcain died the Doctor said that he needed to do more work, implying he wanted to make further improvements. It seems as if he can make strong vampires when he tries to make special ones. It seems to me that if any random vampire was a better specimen than Mina, the Captain would just catch one for Millennium to use.
Yes? That's literally what I said repeated verbatim lol
So the Priest is just a weak random vampire. I'm not arguing that true vampires can never be weak or something like that.
Perhaps, but I don't think that would account for Alucard literally not being able to lay a fimger on him during the entire fight. If Alucard still had his soul stock, he'd have been just as ******.
Yah, that's me point. Stronger convertees make stronger vampires.
That's kind of a bad example for your case since Rip gets taken out ridiculously easily for a lieutenant. Alucard doesn't even have to go Level 1 or do all that much to kill her, even after she gathers her wits.
I don't think strong vampires to extract from were their focus so much as getting the DNA of Alucard, the fuckmothering No-Life King. But as displayed, evidently that did not work out for them as much as it should have.
My point is that we can't assume Alucard's abilities are standard to all vampires. When Alucard was disappointed in Luke, it was because he was comparing him to himself, not to other vampires.
The problem is that you're arguing that the power of Seras and Alucard is standard for all vampires, even though both of them are above base Anderson who kills vampires all the time and Alucard suggested Luke was stronger than any vampire.
Agreed. Still, Seras only transforms her arm, and never displays an ability to turn into mist or bats. Considering the mist transformation might have been useful against the Captain.
Yeah, same nature, but not the same degree of transformation.
That holds for Walter, but what proof do we have that Luke and Tubalcain were already strong enough to make them superior to any other vampire after they transform? It's obvious Walter would keep his original power alongside the new ones, but his power is a vast exception. If Tubalcain and Luke are above any other vampire, it doesn't match that any strong human could have surpassed them by becoming a vampire, or Alucard would have faced a lot like them and not been so impressed by Luke.
That's the issue. You're comparing her to Alucard, who is above any vampire. You're also overlooking her unique ability with her rifle.
I don't know if they were really that incompetent as to not even test their hand against regular vampires or try one out.
I suppose this might be a difference in how one reads the scene. I personally always interpreted it as being the like of "come on vampire, pull out your vampire shit already".
I seriously doubt she doesn't have the capacity to do that. It's probably only a matter of skill and experience. She does get covered in shadow and change her clothing in a gag near the end though.
At the point that we see her, yes. I still think it's moreso an issue of experience.
Notice how Alucard said he "hasn't had this much fun in a while". Meaning he's definitely fought supernatural threats that have excited him in the past. I don't think in this instance he's referring to Van Helsing or Millennium during the 1940s either, since in the case of the former I don't think he'd regard the experience of being absolutely crushed out of his entire world view as particularly "fun", and in the case of the latter the only supernatural creature he fought that was of any note was the Captain.
I'm comparing her to contemporaries like Luke and Dandy, whom both managed to eke out until they got Alucard to release Level 1. Rip was a toy for base Alucard, which is consistent with her being particularly unimpressive as a human.
I personally think they didn't even bother. Why would? They didn't have a desire to war against vampirekind, they just wanted to kill and murder and eat their way onto World War Three, and also kill Alucard.
Yes. That is correct.
We treat blood as a vessel for life and the soul for this verse, which you should know, as you were there during that CRT. This would logically lead to the fact that every vampire has a soul stock. Whether they can access it to an extent similar to Alucard and Seras is a different matter, but by the rules of the verse, they should have it.
How odd, considering the only vampires who have been shown to do this are Alucard and Seras, who was turned into a vampire by Alucard. At Millennium there should be several vampires who are older and have consumed more blood than Seras, and yet they haven't gained anything, they don't even have that in their profile(Like for example, Luke, Zorin and Rip).
Artificial vampires, yeah. They suck, and not in the good way.
That is fine, but the only other vampire we meet who isn't a direct Alucard descendant is the priest. He doesn't have any soul stock or any other abilities, even though he's drinking loads of blood and even knows he can turn virgins. Without evidence that other vampires all possess that ability, we only have Alucard and essentially his daughter, who possess those powers, and one other vampire who doesn't. Although we do have the fact Anderson has never encountered or even heard of such a power before. This clearly contradicts it being common, especially since this also implies the Vatican has no record of such a power. The fact that Yumie and Heinkel are also vampire hunters contradicts standard vampires being stronger than them too.
When did she change her clothing? I'm honestly fine with Seras reaching that sort of range, in fact I'd have liked to see a sequel where she's revealed to have surpassed Alucard due to her relationship with Pip, and Alucard in turn gains new powers based on quantum mechanics, making the two of them stronger than ever before while they face some new and improved enemy.
Maybe. It is strange that she only uses her replaced arm for transformations though.
It's hard to be sure though. Alucard probably had lots of fun killing and fighting when he was human, he was very much enjoying fighting Anderson which suggests Van Hellsing might have been fun, and he likely did slaughter loads of Millennium vampires in WWII, which might have been fun by sheer numbers. It's also possible they had enhanced vampires back then too, and it's possible he'd already fought Walter, although since the Dawn was canned we never saw these things. His statement was very open-ended. In addition, a vampire being almost comparable to Luke isn't the same as being Alucard's equal.
Not so sure about that. Alucard releases level 1 in order to move the jet after her bullet shredded it. He also used level 1 abilities to shred the vampires right after, and still possessed transformation abilities when he moved to finish Rip. It seems to me he was in level 1 when he fought Rip. He just used his red coat form, which admittedly has less physical strength, but he still had his shapeshifting abilities. Still, that doesn't matter. Rip was a weak little wimp, and yet she was stronger than the priest, the only other vampire we meet. She also seemed at least comparable to Heinkel who routinely kills vampires.
That's fine. Seras is sired by Alucard, and I agree that's why she's special.
The Major and Alucard are extremely unique individuals though. Both are military geniuses with insatiable blood-lust and thousands of loyal followers, the same followers whose blood calls to them which might be key, and both hit rock bottom and refused to die. Both were driven by an insatiable thirst for war and death, and both had an indomitable willpower. We're pretty much limiting this to historical figures. It seems like an assumption to think other vampires like that even exist, much less that they're common. Granted such a being could have been introduced to a Hellsing sequel, perhaps a vampire like Alucard who is revealed to be another historical figure like Genghis Kahn. But people like that are already extremely rare, not something that just happens.
The fact that the blood Alucard consumed was that of his loyal followers might be the key. Sort of like how Seras gained power from Pip because he asked her to drink him in. But that still limits us to historical figures and the like.
It seems more like the vampires are being turned by each other, and are all carrying a heavily diluted form of Alucard's original vampirism. The Major's experience matches Alucard's so closely it seems like the ability to turn via just drinking the blood requires some pretty serious conditions to be met, as I described above. The fact that Anderson and the Vatican have no record or understanding of Alucard's abilities heavily contradicts those powers being possessed by other vampires even throughout history.
That's pretty weird.
Well, he's the most powerful vampire and Seras was turned by the most powerful vampire, so that could be influence as well.
Only after he jettisoned his soul stock in Level 0.
Gin asserted earlier that other vampires' soul stock is their army of ghouls, which isn't properly assimilated and therefore doesn't work as a defence.
That's literally what I've been saying.
Indeed. We only know that only Alucard and Seras display these abilities, and the Vatican which has been hunting vampires and other such things for longer than Hellsing has existed has no record or understanding of those abilities. We also know that vampires who feed a lot, like the priest, whose savagery is not treated as unusual for a vampire, could realistically create a vampire literally any time they bite a virgin, with the priest being implied to be raping the women first so that they don't become vampires. Shit, imagine the outcome of a male vampire released in a nunnery or a female vampire released at a Star Trek convention. Or any vampire attacking a school. By contrast the method Alucard used might happen once in a generation and requires the person in question have some very specific criteria satisfied. So I'd say the vast majority of vampires are the turned virgins rather than the other kind. Even the priest likely only turned because priests generally abstain from sex.
It was based on you
You'd consider with how long Alucard's been around he would have a few little ***** off in the world somewhere.
The implication was that he admired Seras at a glance, and he and Walter both stated that turning her was out of character for him. I'd say he subconsciously related to her as a person, given their similarities. There's also no denying his instinct was correct, since she turned into a great vampire and was the one who saved Integra's life at the end. All other Hellsing agents died early except Alucard and Walter and Walter had already betrayed Integra, so from the very instant the soldiers all died Alucard and Seras were Integra's only agents. And Alucard effectively died at the end too, and was unable to help Integra. So Seras was most definitely a solid investment. She has been keeping Integra alive ever since Alucard vanished, for thirty years. She's literally the reason Iscariot doesn't just attack Integra at the end.
If you ask me, I'd guess it's because most vampires are that weak. The Vatican being unfamiliar with abilities like Alucard and Seras have, and literally learning by observing Alucard and Seras as the story goes, supports this. I do think a sequel where some other historical figure emerges with a soul army like Alucard had, or new abilities entirely, might have really added a badass battle. Especially if, for example, this vampire slaughtered an entire battalion of English soldiers who Seras then absorbed, and she ended up with an army of willing supersoldiers led by Pip, and surpassed all previous vampiric powers, while Alucard used his new quantum powers to gain powers that aren't vampiric in nature but quantum mechanical, like being stronger than ever because of his perception, or being able to force his control of his own quantum state onto others so that he also controls their state, and then simply erases them. Those abilities would be badass as all hell.
If we're going full Bram Stoker on this bitch, he had his vampire...wives? Sisters...?
Truly a Midian, as Alucard would put it.
Still waiting on the recalc, sorry
Wait, but this crt is already aplied, right?
I applied the ability revisions to alucard's profile yeah
