Battle Beast vs Blackbeard

[Tahoy49574]

We can't say he's stronger than someone who is quantifiably 2.6x stronger

You're not punching a hole through someone just being 2.6x stronger .-.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Kachon is completely right with the scaling chains
At worst you can say they are equal if the scaling chain is absurd, but you can never surpass a guy who is stated to be higher

Now, if the difference is like 1.1, then yes, the scaling chain works, but when you are 2 times stronger (and in this case is 3?), then because fiction has different scaling chains, you can't equate that to being 2 times stronger than your opponent

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

You're not punching a hole through someone just being 2.6x stronger .-.

Fiction says the contrary, in one series it can be, in another it can't

 

[Tahoy49574]

Fiction says the contrary, in one series it can be, in another it can't

I'd really like an example of that.

It can't just be ignored, Battle Beast is already above a character stated to be "far stronger" than 567 exatons. If at worst they're equals then he'd still be taking the vibrations just fine

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

I'd really like an example of that.

Vegeta literally stomping Dodoria with a mere 1.09 AP difference

 

[Mickey1940]

Unquantifiably higher. We can't say he's stronger than someone who is quantifiably 2.6x stronger than his value (with his own scaling chain).

ngl I'm starting to doubt that

Battle Beast is already overwhelmingly stronger than characters who are 567 Exatons, to such an extent that they break their own bodies on contact with him and he can tear through them with his bare hands

His swords can one shot characters on par with himself like butter

that's 2 one shot level amps above 567 exatons

battle beast might actually have a chance here





then again all of this is moot cuz blackbeard succ madness manip gg

 

[Mickey1940]

Vegeta literally stomping Dodoria with a mere 1.09 AP difference

different verses have different scalings, you can't use this as an example for every fiction out there

 

[Huesito88]

different verses have different scalings, you can't use this as an example for every fiction out there

True, which is point of the rule on unquantifiable scaling chains, which must be follow if your going to be doing vs battles here.

 

[Mickey1940]

True, which is point of the rule on unquantifiable scaling chains, which must be follow if your going to be doing vs battles here.

what's the rule on unquantifiable scaling chains

 

[OrangeFR]

Teach FRA

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

different verses have different scalings, you can't use this as an example for every fiction out there

Good job reaching the same conclusion as I

 

[Tahoy49574]

Vegeta literally stomping Dodoria with a mere 1.09 AP difference

I was expecting any example but that. Ki is clearly not a linear power system(besides stated multipliers), if it was all regular humans would be Tier 6, I meant a stated "This attack is 2x(linear) stronger" kinda vaporizing someone

I still don't see how these relate to Invincible or One Piece anyway, they don't have an instrinsic numeric power system, it's all physical feats

then again all of this is moot cuz blackbeard succ madness manip gg

Blackbeard rarely uses his Devil Fruit in that way unless its to absorb rubble and fodder, so Battle Beast wouldn't have to worry about it for the majority of the fight.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Anyway, I vote Battle Beast over at worst being as strong as Blackbeard's strongest attacks and his weapons widening that gap, his insane LS advantage so he's also easily overpowering him the moment he gets close(and Blackbeard is primarily a close-range fighter) and stamina to round it all up

Also, he's pretty skilled himself, he coud find away around his abilities. Thinking about it, shouldn't the scenery be specified for an ability such as Blackbeard's ?

 

[Kachon123]

Anyway, I vote Battle Beast over at worst being as strong as Blackbeard's strongest attacks and his weapons widening that gap, his insane LS advantage so he's also easily overpowering him the moment he gets close(and Blackbeard is primarily a close-range fighter) and stamina to round it all up

Battle Beast is not as powerful as Blackbeard's devil fruit attacks. His weapon doesn't change that since Blackbeard's Haki specifically has resistance to slashing attacks meaning it would impact him no more than a punch containing the same amount of energy would, and because Blackbeard scales higher that would be not much at all.

In close range, Battle Beast would not be able to make good use of his LS. Any grappling attempt would get rendered useless by Blackbeard's Darkness fruit that would suck in and harm Battle Beast instead.

Blackbeard has insane stamina and endurance, being able to fight for several days straight. As a Whitebeard Pirate he would constantly walk around with gunshot wounds and blades sticking out of his body without him even realizing it. He feels twice the pain as other people yet he's able to take durability negating attacks1 that scale higher than Battle Beast's straight to the head and get back up. He took a point blank Shock Wille from Law, which is the same attack which completely destroyed the bones and organs of both Big Mom and Doflamingo and is far more potent spatial durability negation than the Gamma Knife he uses to target and destroy the opponent's heart. Blackbeard was able to shrug this off.

This is without mentioning Blackbeard's precog with Kenbunshoku Haki or space-destroying durability negation with quakes.

So even in close combat, I'm not sure how Battle Beast can even come close to putting Blackbeard down.

Also, he's pretty skilled himself, he coud find away around his abilities. Thinking about it, shouldn't the scenery be specified for an ability such as Blackbeard's ?

Just a random island on the Grand Line.

How does Battle Beast fight with his footing turned 90º?


As far as I know, Battle Beast doesn't have flight, so he'd struggle to fight effectively like this.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

I was expecting any example but that

Kaio ken multipliers in the namek saga are linear my friend, so two close power levels are literally close in AP

I still don't see how these relate to Invincible or One Piece anyway

Because we are talking how scaling chains can literally be absurd and have people stomping others with a mere 1.1 difference so we can't equate that to Battle beast stomping BB because "uh, scaling chain" ?

if it was all regular humans would be Tier 6,

How to show you did not read any dragon ball thread

 

[MannyQ361]

Well to be fair, Vegeta at a power level of 18,000 was able to survive Kaioken x3 Goku, who would be at 24,000. Meanwhile, Cui (also at 18,000) was obliterated by Vegeta with a power level of 24,000 despite there being a 1.33 AP gap in both instances. Could be other factors at play though.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Well to be fair, Vegeta at a power level of 18,000 was able to survive Kaioken x3 Goku, who would be at 24,000. Meanwhile, Cui (also at 18,000) was obliterated by Vegeta with a power level of 24,000 despite there being a 1.33 AP gap in both instances. Could be other factors at play though.

The good old plot armor to be honest, when Nappa with 4000 is tanking everything from 1000-1500 fighters and Vegeta with almost 180K not instakilling goku with a kick for example

But if you really need another example from anime I will search for it, but not now, is late

 

[Mickey1940]

Anyway, I vote Battle Beast over at worst being as strong as Blackbeard's strongest attacks and his weapons widening that gap, his insane LS advantage so he's also easily overpowering him the moment he gets close(and Blackbeard is primarily a close-range fighter) and stamina to round it all up

Also, he's pretty skilled himself, he coud find away around his abilities. Thinking about it, shouldn't the scenery be specified for an ability such as Blackbeard's ?

Battle Beast needs to cover a 2.65 times AP gap against an enemy with defenses that can block slashing attacks like they're punches. Yes, he significantly upscales from the 567 Exaton feat but there's not enough evidence to imply that he can actually cover that gap with his weapons. He's definitely not slicing through Blackbeard like butter.

Heck if you want to use the DBZ powerscaling example (which you shouldn't but this is just an example), Vegeta stomped Dodoria with a 1.09 times AP difference, and Battle Beast is 2 stomp worthy levels above 567 exatons (so 1.09^2 times stronger), which is nowhere near enough to cover the 2.65 AP gap

LS is moot cuz if Blackbeard is in a chokehold, those devil fruit powers that you claim that Blackbeard "rarely uses" will be his literal only option so he has no reason not to use that

There's not enough evidence to imply that Battle Beast can kill Blackbeard with his weapons, especially since that's the only thing he can use, meanwhile Blackbeard has 2 wincons that are calculatable, proven, reliable and consistent enough to actually land him the win (Quake Spam and Succ)

 

[MannyQ361]

The good old plot armor to be honest, when Nappa with 4000 is tanking everything from 1000-1500 fighters and Vegeta with almost 180K not instakilling goku with a kick for example

But if you really need another example from anime I will search for it, but not now, is late

The example is good, but seems it can vary within the same series. Goku and Vegeta in general seem more resilient than Cui and Dodoria, with Goku surviving a beat down from Raditz, despite being about 3 times weaker.

 

[Deadguy999]

I vote Blackbeard battle beast is so overrated and I mean his whole personality and character too. Battle Beast can’t even reach blackbeard you ever play those game which u got a shockwave ability and enemies just get flown out every time they got close it’s so easy neg diff

 

[Kachon123]

Bump

 

[Tahoy49574]

Battle Beast is not as powerful as Blackbeard's devil fruit attacks.

How ? He upscales a good degree

His weapon doesn't change that since Blackbeard's Haki specifically has resistance to slashing attacks meaning it would impact him no more than a punch containing the same amount of energy would, and because Blackbeard scales higher that would be not much at all.

Limited Resistance to

• Bladed and Blunt Weaponry (Users of Armament Haki are capable of fending off attacks from sharp weapons comparable to their durability)

Battle Beast weapons are 2 one shots above his physicals and Blackbeard's Haki can only reliably fend off stuff comparable to him, he would surely be very injured if Battle Beast manages to hit him once

Again, Battle Beast's scaling chain cannot be disregarded just like that. Would you really tell me the difference in power would be treated as effectively the same if he was swapped with say, Oliver ?

How does Battle Beast fight with his footing turned 90º?


As far as I know, Battle Beast doesn't have flight, so he'd struggle to fight effectively like this.

First, that isn't Blackbeard, has he himself went for something like that ?

Anyway, he's got claws in his hand, he could simply dig them on the ground to stay put

He does have Flight but it's Optional Equipment

 

[Tahoy49574]

LS is moot cuz if Blackbeard is in a chokehold, those devil fruit powers that you claim that Blackbeard "rarely uses" will be his literal only option so he has no reason not to use that

I didn't say that, I was quoting another user

I'll repeat that I don't know much about One Piece, if he really spams Black Hole in the face of the protagonists to turn them insane I'd like to know how they survived direct confrontations (besides plot). Going by the profiles Blackbeard also tends to understimate his opponents and this is a lion man he's never met before. Battle Beast already starts with a massive AP advantage in base, if Blackbeard doesn't register him as threat and activates his Haki he'll lose on contact

 

[Kachon123]

Battle Beast weapons are 2 one shots above his physicals and Blackbeard's Haki can only reliably fend off stuff comparable to him, he would surely be very injured if Battle Beast manages to hit him once

Again, Battle Beast's scaling chain cannot be disregarded just like that. Would you really tell me the difference in power would be treated as effectively the same if he was swapped with say, Oliver ?

Not too sure how you read that and came to the conclusion that Haki can "only" block attacks comparable to him as that's just false, but regardless, Blackbeard's durability with Haki scales to a higher value than what Battle Beast does so it would apply here.

As for the scaling chains, Blackbeard has chains as well so I'm not impressed by Battle Beast's scaling. Blackbeard has the higher value and that takes precedence.

First, that isn't Blackbeard, has he himself went for something like that ?

Yes.

Anyway, he's got claws in his hand, he could simply dig them on the ground to stay put

I don't think I have to explain how much of a handicap that would put Battle Beast in, especially when Blackbeard can do stuff like this to capitalize on the situation.

 

[Deadguy999]

Blackbeard will just stun lock him using ranged attacks

 

[Tahoy49574]

Not too sure how you read that and came to the conclusion that Haki can "only" block attacks comparable to him as that's just false, but regardless, Blackbeard's durability with Haki scales to a higher value than what Battle Beast does so it would apply here.

As for the scaling chains, Blackbeard has chains as well so I'm not impressed by Battle Beast's scaling. Blackbeard has the higher value and that takes precedence.

Does the scaling chain involve literally ripping the other guy appart ? Looking through the pages it's mostly him being at least comparable to other people

I don't think I have to explain how much of a handicap that would put Battle Beast in, especially when Blackbeard can do stuff like this to capitalize on the situation.

Has he combo'd them like that in a single fight ?

 

[Kachon123]

Has he combo'd them like that in a single fight ?

Yes.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Yes.

I meant the specific tilting the ground + suctioning while the opponent is distracted. From the looks of he mainly goes for environmental destruction when it's large group of fodder enemies
Anyway, there's a very likely Invincible AP upgrade coming so I would hold off these for a bit

 

[NotoriouSoda]

I meant the specific tilting the ground + suctioning while the opponent is distracted. From the looks of he mainly goes for environmental destruction when it's large group of fodder enemies
Anyway, there's a very likely Invincible AP upgrade coming so I would hold off these for a bit

Is there a thread of it rn?

 

[Tahoy49574]

Is there a thread of it rn?

There is one accepted re-calc relevant to this thread
I'll wait for the other calcs to be evaluated before making the thread

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Blackbeard FRA, better beard

 

[Ryuga21]

Battle Beast has no means of effectively approaching, any attempt to do so would be countered by Teach's precog and absurd range/AoE with shockwave attacks. Even if Battle Beast manages to get there (which he won't), Teach can simply swallow him instantly into a black hole. Blackbeard takes this.

 

[Kachon123]

That's grace