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STRONGEST One-Punch Man Discussion Thread!
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I think a reveal will be coming soon...
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So void absorbed garou energy what exactly happened
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Nothing like that. Blast sees the smoke, remembers what happened to Garou. Realizes same happens to Void.
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that smoke is gods energy which means void would’ve had cosmic energy as that’s what leaked out when saitama one shot it
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No way, Void was affected by God???
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But if he had gods energy how come he looked like a monster and not cosmic void Al I thought blast seeing the zero punch was ret con
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So did Homeless Emperor. Don't expect all visuals to be the same.
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To be fair the second redraw had Void using god's energy and the Dimensional Slash (with all the statements and Hyperspace interactions) while looking like a monster. He only transitioned into the Cosmic Garou-like state because it was imbued with darkness, which was established as an anti-thesis to Gods' control.
As for why Homeless Emperor and Pyskos are outliers, I cannot answer that.
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so did the panel with blast seeing the zero punch get ret conned does he still know Saitama beat garou
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I mean... they didn't talk about it but we see Saitama and Garou in Blast's flashback
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Why wouldn’t blast try to recruit Saitama in the fight against god then he just acts like Saitama is regular guy
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Requirements isn't just strength.
Space-Time Manipulation (interdimensional travel etc)
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Saitama literally has that tho
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Blast doesn't know that.
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I thought genos told them heck if he witnessed the zero punch then he probably witnessed the 2 Saitamas merging
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They didn't believe most of the parts + Genos told Sitch etc. doesn't mean Sitch told Blast.
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Doesn't Saitama only have resistance to Space-Time Manipulation via upscaling from Garou resisting a Black Hole? Even then, we can't assume that Blast is aware of the fact. Plus, it's only resistance, not actual Space-Time hax utilization like Gravity Knuckle. (Edit: He does have Space Hax from Astral/Non-Physical Interaction, but once more, Blast wouldn't know about the fight with Phoenix Man.)
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No he literally has space time manipulation as he literally manipulated space time to save everyone mentioned by genos after stitch says you need space time to fight god If he didn’t have space time manipulation that entire scene makes no sense
Also Saitama can literally copy anything blast does he can even copy gods powers
Seems like they should bring it up as if he witnessed the zero punch he would’ve mentioned he defeated garou
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no Wavygaza =(
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Yes, but does Blast know this?
He acts like Saitama is a normal dude because:
1. He trusts him.
2. There's more pressing matters than worrying about Saitama's strength (Blast has to maintain his post.)
3. Blast has fought God; seeing Saitama oneshotting Void and Garou might not be so ridiculous and otherworldly to him (do note that he lacks the retconned chapters of showing actual surprise to Saitama's strength against Garou and Void, so we can assume it's likely different now.)
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stitch knows who talks to blast
1. Why they only seen other once
2. Saitama one shot empty void and if he seen him beat garou then that would put him on a level beyond blast and his colleagues meaning if he doesn’t know if saitama was good then he’d be a danger to have on earth due to his sheer strength he would at least have to research into him heck he should be worried if god tries to corrupt and empower saitama
3.empty void is literally near blast strength and in this new re draw it’s literally mentioned void wouldn’t of been capable of joining blast against god if he wasn’t as strong as he was and old re draw calls them equal so yea he should be surprised seeing someone of his level get one shot by someone on earth as for garou same thing as garou had more cosmic energy then anything he’s ever encountered as even blast crew was surprised anyone outside of blast could handle garou meaning no such people exist in their dimension
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Man... Murata better draw Wavygaza next chapter. I'm getting tried of Tatsumidki and Badbuki. I WANT that sweet sweet robot idol. Oh... I wish I could make my own Wavygaza and have her battle for me because yes. Oh... my sweet darling is gone... My waifu... Wavygaza. Please come back to me...
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I'm planning to make a CRT for Saitama's VGS statement.
VGS was accepted but rejected later in this thread with those reasonings.
-Basically, we should remove the day by day thing from the audiobook. It's just the limitations of Genos' simulation, and Genos having any idea of Saitama's actual strength at that point completely contradicts the narrative of the series.
-They explicitly say that it measures strength based on brainwaves rather than raw physical power, and it often gets many details wrong, so Saitama having different levels of power from the same equipment makes sense.
-Also, noticeable increases in strength are presented as something that requires extreme emotion, which isn't something Saitama would be experiencing here.
The first one is wrong. Even after having his ghost in the simulation, or putting Saitama to a simulation or etc. Genos was pretty sure it was his full power in there and yet still believes he didn't comprehend Saitama's strength. Also Saitama continously grows in strength, it's not weird that Genos was capable of percieving a part of it since he's already beyond that and Genos simply can't proceed it.
The second one is somewhat correct. The machine was fine with Darkshine who's not aware how strong he is(just casually defeats every monster it faces with a single attack).
The machine can't scan things like resurrection from death via willpower, but it is irrelevant as it's like saying the machine can't understand someone becoming stronger after putting the mask again.
The third one is completely headcanon and not based on real statements. He still grows, just not exponentially but no such thing like "noticeable" or not.
Can you guys give your opinion on this? Wanna see if i'm wrong or if there are other points that stand out etc.
VGS was accepted but rejected later in this thread with those reasonings.
-Basically, we should remove the day by day thing from the audiobook. It's just the limitations of Genos' simulation, and Genos having any idea of Saitama's actual strength at that point completely contradicts the narrative of the series.
-They explicitly say that it measures strength based on brainwaves rather than raw physical power, and it often gets many details wrong, so Saitama having different levels of power from the same equipment makes sense.
-Also, noticeable increases in strength are presented as something that requires extreme emotion, which isn't something Saitama would be experiencing here.
The first one is wrong. Even after having his ghost in the simulation, or putting Saitama to a simulation or etc. Genos was pretty sure it was his full power in there and yet still believes he didn't comprehend Saitama's strength. Also Saitama continously grows in strength, it's not weird that Genos was capable of percieving a part of it since he's already beyond that and Genos simply can't proceed it.
The second one is somewhat correct. The machine was fine with Darkshine who's not aware how strong he is(just casually defeats every monster it faces with a single attack).
The machine can't scan things like resurrection from death via willpower, but it is irrelevant as it's like saying the machine can't understand someone becoming stronger after putting the mask again.
The third one is completely headcanon and not based on real statements. He still grows, just not exponentially but no such thing like "noticeable" or not.
Can you guys give your opinion on this? Wanna see if i'm wrong or if there are other points that stand out etc.
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Iirc one of the reasons of the VGS being rejected was that the machine couldn't copy Saitama's strength due to a limit to its simulation capability.
which doesn't make any sense, tbh. Let's say the limit of the machine's strength simulation capability is n.
Ghost Saitama's strength is above n, so it is capped at n (we know he didn't become -9999 nor anything, due to him one shotting Darkshine). Think of it as some videogames capping one's damage/stats to 99999
Darkshine's strength is like n/1000, so Saitama can still one shot Darkshine regardless his strength is not his actual strength, due to sheer difference.
But, the problem comes when the following day Saitama comes again, forms again part of the simulation and then proceeds to oneshot his copy…
That doesn't make any sense if the machine caps Saitama's true strength. If the limit of the machine is n, Ghost Saitama's strength also is n. Then Saitama's simulation should be n too. So they should be comparable… not Saitama one shotting Ghost Saitama.
I'd also like to mention that Genos does canonically know, due to the databook, that Saitama has
And he rn knows about Saitama's capabilities… and pretty sure He'll still find some way to call an opponent >=Saitama on his opinion
Yeah, imo the machine just scans the strength/body/capabilities of someone the moment they enter in the fight and then simulates said strength on the virtual world, then uses the data of said scan to create a copy. Consequently:
If someone grows stronger mid-virtual combat, it wouldn't be taken in account as the scan has already been made. It's not constantly scanning someone in case they are changing their strength. That doesn't make any sense
If someone has abilities to amp their strength due to damage and willpower, they are not copied as the machine only copies someone's capabilities on a snapshot of time, not the potential to overcome them due to some kind of ability.
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kinda confirms the guess i had that they are supposed to be the Four Symbols
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This is correct. Saitama can't one shot yesterday Saitama is both are stuck on a machine limit there.
There is that statement, there is Genos's comment about the fight too. He also saw the energy from Boros if irrc
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Ywah, and Saitama also told him after the fight that Boros was probably the enemy of the prophecy (the enemy who threatened the planet) and iirc Genos confirmed Saitama saved the world or something… yet Genos believed that Gouketsu>Saitama+All of S Class>=Saitama>Planet threatening feat
So him understimating Saitama happens regardless he knows about his growth or not
So him understimating Saitama happens regardless he knows about his growth or not
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Dragon or higher.His pets are weak af bro
It’s just that Blast and Void are that strong.
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Genos didn't state him to be stronger than Saitama. People misunderstand that statement a lot. Genos just thought it would be better to attack him via a guaranteed win team. He doesn't think the monster is stronger than Saitama.
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I like that even Saitama is somewhat surprised/impressed of Blast and Void there.
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Anyway, if Genos think that Saitama needed the whole S Class to guarantee the win, that means Genos believed Gouketsu comparable enough to Saitama to not be sure of Saitama defeating him alone
You wouldn't bring 1 or 2 mosquitos in a fight between tanks and say that bringing them guarantees the win
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Maybe i'll just create a thread about VGS and see where it goes...
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I'm praying for another redraw, Ninja arc should stay forever
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Some people seem to have forgotten that Blast parried Cosmic Garou perfectly after he got copied. And manages to react to a serious punch.
My dude has the feats. It’s just that he sweats too much and people get sus about him, for no reason.
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