StarShooter80
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But it’s an archive?
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DEATH BATTLE! Fighting Animation Discussion Thread
Rayfire
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It's called an archive wiki for the intent of preserving all these profiles, but nobody's really stopping you from making/updating profiles there
StarShooter80
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Ah that's good, guess we can keep going
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AyOgUyS
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Yea the animation was PEAK, the analyses were PEAK, MORO COOKED and I actually agree with the outcome
Also Metal Sonic HARD CARRIED +INFINITE AURA
Rayfire
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The verdict was kinda sh*t, i could rant about that all day, but everything else was really good, definitely among the best episodes
AyOgUyS
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Eggman does have decent win cons (mostly involving Metal Sonic ofc) but I think personally, peak vs peak, Bowser wins. Just my opinion tho.
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so anything we can get from the "Shigaraki VS Mahito" fight?
Also for my opinions on it, it was fire
Also for my opinions on it, it was fire
Spinoirr
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They both survived the train blowing up also Shigaraki's laserso anything we can get from the "Shigaraki VS Mahito" fight?
Also for my opinions on it, it was fire
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Ehh, wasn't the biggest fan of the episode, but the animation did look goodso anything we can get from the "Shigaraki VS Mahito" fight?
Also for my opinions on it, it was fire
For scaling, they easily destroyed the train, which I imagine will get a Tier 8 value, but other than that there isn't much of note imo
That is one thing that I do kind of dislike about some DB animations. They set these characters up as city/country destroyers that can wipe out massive amounts of land with a flick of their wrist, but in the fighting animation the most that they do is blow some people apart & destroy a train. They did kind of the same thing with the Batman vs Iron Man episode. I love that episode, but in the analysis they set them both up as these universe-destroying threats that can keep up with the big dogs of their verses, but then in the fight animation they hardly even destroy a city block
Make the scale of destruction bigger for these guys Death Battle! If you're going to use City/Country level characters, make them actually feel like City/Country level characters during the fights, not Tier 8s
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I thought Death Battle profiles had to be moved to the other wiki?
Looking at the calcs, I think assuming the entire train was pulverized in a single large blast that Shiggy and Mahito tanked is kind of weird, seeing as the sequence of events leading up to that is Shiggy decaying the train and causing it to crash. Sure the crash itself probably destroyed some of it, but we can’t be sure how much got blown up and how much just got decayed. I also don’t think either of them should scale to the transfigured human/flesh train calc, Shigaraki doesn’t interact with the thing at all, and Mahito has no reason to scale to it with his own physical stats. It’s also for some reason measuring the flesh train’s jaw when it’s stretched wide open, then using that height for its closed mouth to measure the whole thing, and doesn’t take into account that it’s almost certainly hollow to some extent, seeing as Mahito could move around inside of it, both of which are greatly inflating the results. (And looking at the two shots used to measure it, I’m pretty sure the second one is while the flesh train is still in the process of growing from its shrunken state when Mahito first threw it out, while the first shot is with it at full size, which is probably making the problem even worse) And a minor nitpick with Shiggy’s wall bust, the wall destruction section should probably use fragmentation instead of violent fragmentation, the pieces left in the wall itself look rather sizable, though a majority of the feat’s output comes from the flesh pulverization, so that doesn’t matter too much. I think they should just downscale from that feat (They should downscale from it since Mahito and Shigaraki are generally physically comparable throughout the fight, and Mahito gets decimated by said 9-A+ attack)
Why does he have intangibility? Mahito isn’t intangible, (Even in canon he’s not intangible, only really low grade curses, which Mahito isn’t, have intangibility) and there’s no point in the animation that implies such, the analysis doesn’t either, even if we did use that, and actually goes out of its way to talk about how Mahito still inhabits physical space and can be interacted with normally. The damage he’s shown regenerating from definitely isn’t extensive enough for Mid (Though he does regrow an arm there, so Low-Mid is fine) You could also be pedantic about how, animation-only, Type 8 is probably unfounded, since nothing in the animation itself indicates Shiggy destroyed Mahito’s soul to kill him at the end, instead of just destroying his body
Also due to the DB profiles’ standards of animation only, Mahito’s domain doesn’t actually have any reason to have a guaranteed hit effect (And even if it did I don’t think it should be listed as probability hax), nor do we have any reason to consider it an impressive showing of skill. He also doesn’t really showcase much strategizing outside of like, “jump this guy with a clone.” (He gets the Nomu to hit each other once, though I wouldn’t say that’s enough to call him a “great strategist”) Though he’s shown to be a solid enough fighter that I think his intelligence should probably be Above Average (Also lmao at trying to spin Mahito getting scared and running at the end as a feat of intelligence)
Looking at the calcs, I think assuming the entire train was pulverized in a single large blast that Shiggy and Mahito tanked is kind of weird, seeing as the sequence of events leading up to that is Shiggy decaying the train and causing it to crash. Sure the crash itself probably destroyed some of it, but we can’t be sure how much got blown up and how much just got decayed. I also don’t think either of them should scale to the transfigured human/flesh train calc, Shigaraki doesn’t interact with the thing at all, and Mahito has no reason to scale to it with his own physical stats. It’s also for some reason measuring the flesh train’s jaw when it’s stretched wide open, then using that height for its closed mouth to measure the whole thing, and doesn’t take into account that it’s almost certainly hollow to some extent, seeing as Mahito could move around inside of it, both of which are greatly inflating the results. (And looking at the two shots used to measure it, I’m pretty sure the second one is while the flesh train is still in the process of growing from its shrunken state when Mahito first threw it out, while the first shot is with it at full size, which is probably making the problem even worse) And a minor nitpick with Shiggy’s wall bust, the wall destruction section should probably use fragmentation instead of violent fragmentation, the pieces left in the wall itself look rather sizable, though a majority of the feat’s output comes from the flesh pulverization, so that doesn’t matter too much. I think they should just downscale from that feat (They should downscale from it since Mahito and Shigaraki are generally physically comparable throughout the fight, and Mahito gets decimated by said 9-A+ attack)
Why does he have intangibility? Mahito isn’t intangible, (Even in canon he’s not intangible, only really low grade curses, which Mahito isn’t, have intangibility) and there’s no point in the animation that implies such, the analysis doesn’t either, even if we did use that, and actually goes out of its way to talk about how Mahito still inhabits physical space and can be interacted with normally. The damage he’s shown regenerating from definitely isn’t extensive enough for Mid (Though he does regrow an arm there, so Low-Mid is fine) You could also be pedantic about how, animation-only, Type 8 is probably unfounded, since nothing in the animation itself indicates Shiggy destroyed Mahito’s soul to kill him at the end, instead of just destroying his body
Also due to the DB profiles’ standards of animation only, Mahito’s domain doesn’t actually have any reason to have a guaranteed hit effect (And even if it did I don’t think it should be listed as probability hax), nor do we have any reason to consider it an impressive showing of skill. He also doesn’t really showcase much strategizing outside of like, “jump this guy with a clone.” (He gets the Nomu to hit each other once, though I wouldn’t say that’s enough to call him a “great strategist”) Though he’s shown to be a solid enough fighter that I think his intelligence should probably be Above Average (Also lmao at trying to spin Mahito getting scared and running at the end as a feat of intelligence)
StarShooter80
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Maybe that just hasn't happened yet? I'm sure it's already settled
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I'm pretty sure it can still be used, I think. Mainly because it's implied that Shiggy's decay didn't extend that far to the other carts, Mahito was in the same cart as him and would've been affected if the decay had spread over just like here. It's probably safe to say that Shiggy only affected one of the carts and that caused a chain reaction to make it explode.
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Anyways, starting up on a profile for both Ghost Rider and Spawn (Ghost Rider's ability section is done, Spawn's not so much, have yet to add the calcs I made)
Spinoirr
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Didn't ghost rider possesses and amp that truck?
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Honestly, I'd still prefer making sandboxes on the main FC/OC wiki since you can make the P&A section quicker with the autofill thingy (like when you type the two brackets and start typing the ability you want and it lets you fill it in?)
Also Ghost Rider should definitely have Type 1 Inorganic Physiology (Made of fire), Multiple Selves (Johnny and Zarathos, also why are there two pages for the same thing?) and Pain Manipulation (via the Stares) for both Episodes. You could probably also argue for Ghost Rider being able to harm Souls in general for GhostLobo since Zarathos takes out the Lobo duplicates with his singular fire attack and they don't come back as spirits (and he eats Lobo's soul can't forget that).
As for the calcs, they seem find but I think you should get the Potential Energy of Spawn's full size from when he drags Johhny into Hell or maybe use 6.5% of Spawn's mass for the arm upscaling?
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Also shouldn't we be moving the profiles to the Archive wiki now, especially now that the profiles themselves are locked from editing? I've imported some more of Season 1, Apocalypse and Metal Sonic to the Archive already, which also reminded me that this is still unanswered:
Also did anyone notice anything strange with the formating on the Archive? These two pages have a lot of empty space between the quotes and the images despite not really having anything different coding-wise from their pages on the main FC wiki, where there is no empty space in the same section.
Also did anyone notice anything strange with the formating on the Archive? These two pages have a lot of empty space between the quotes and the images despite not really having anything different coding-wise from their pages on the main FC wiki, where there is no empty space in the same section.
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Yeah, but that would required a lot of work seeing how we gonna put the "w:c:fcoc-vs-battles:" link on every DB's profiles that has them. (Although... it was discussed in the Alt Battle's discord server that 3 or 4 staffs (2 admins, 1 content mod and Bureaucrat) were fine with adding Death Battle onto the site and even one of the Bureaucrats of the wiki asked Pepsi about merging the sites, so...)
Edit: Just realized that some of the DB's profiles are already on the Alt Battles site lol
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Since it now got announced by Phoenk on the Discord server I might as well confirm it.
Yah we're taking it alongside similar verses such as Blast Zone and Smash Bracket, however they will need updating to fit quality standards.
Although for the next few days nobody should touch them, since we are still in the middle of editing all the links via bots, so any tempering with the pages can mess with it.
Yah we're taking it alongside similar verses such as Blast Zone and Smash Bracket, however they will need updating to fit quality standards.
Although for the next few days nobody should touch them, since we are still in the middle of editing all the links via bots, so any tempering with the pages can mess with it.
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Yes
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Just like the main wiki profile lol
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I agree with your remark, it definitely let a lot to be desired
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The calculations are badly made anyways, they assume that the thing they were fighting on in the Mecha fight is the Universe and the thing that Simon destroyed by jumping is a smaller Universe, even though that's never implied anywhere in the animation, heck they were acting more like normal Galaxies than Universes
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Probably because in Gurren Lagann, those galaxies are actually universes. I think it's a fair assumption.
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Well too bad this is Death Battle, not Gurren Lagann, so assumptions like that are stupid, they were never implied to be Universes in the animation, so they simply aren't, I already got that page deleted anyways
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The 'galaxies' look exactly like the universes in the show do, so... that's why I figure it's a fair assumption.
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Sorry, but I can't let dumb arguments like that fly, actual evidence needs to be used, not baseless assumptions
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Calm down a little lol, you're taking it too seriously. I never even said I agreed with the assumption, I just said I thought it was a fair one
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If you weren't agreeing with it, why were you still repeating it? As if you were trying to convince me
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Because you keep replying back?
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Whatever then
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I know i'm kinda late, but i think i should add that the whole point of a Death Battle animation is to be as faithful to the characters and their environments as possible, and the universes in the animation are basically the exact same as they appear in GL, it's not hard to come to the conclusion that they're the same, because... It's not only literally right in front of you that it's the intent, it's kinda the writers/animators job to make sure it's as accurate to the source material as possible too lmao
If you asked the people who worked on that episode whether the 'galaxies' in the animation are universes or not, they would more than likely say they are universes, since they clearly based it off of the way universes were drawn in GL. Why would their intent be to make them galaxies instead?? It's far from a 'stupid' assumption
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Too bad you don't have any proof of that in the animation, so your argument is dumb. The only thing that you have as "evidence" is the analysis of the episode, but if we're going to use the analysis as "proof", then at this point why don't just use the analysis for everything, like stats and scaling
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There's literally no other reason to make them galaxies instead of universes lmao, it's just common sense. If you were an animator for that episode, why WOULDN'T you base Gurren Lagann Universes off of, well, Gurren Lagann Universes? They're clearly the exact same
Also doesn't help your case that the script refers to them as universes. Also reminded me the thing they are standing on was literally a Super Spiral Universe from the show too, which is even more blatant, lol
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Spinoirr
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Even the new wiki says universes
Simon the Digger VS Kyle Rayner - DEATH BATTLE! Wiki
Simon the Digger VS Kyle Rayner is the 196th episode of Death Battle, featuring Simon the Digger and Gurren Lagann from the Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann series and...
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