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DEATH BATTLE! Fighting Animation Discussion Thread

Flowerguy2 said:
Here's a profiles draft with the major characters shown in BowserEggman's episodes (Do note, it's not finished yet)
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Flowerguy1/DB! Profiles Sandbox2

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And, from the looks of it, Metal really is the MVP of this match since no-one in the damn animation even directly harm or scale to Bowser besides him or the Death Egg😭
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I feel like most of these should have High Hypersonic reaction speeds scaling off of Metal Sonic's feat. Bowser Jr could react quickly enough to block Super Neo Metal Sonic's attack on Fury Bowser afterall and most of his generals should likely have comparable speeds to Jr as well.

As for specific changes for the profiles, well...
Bowser
  • Abilities from the Grand Star should be moved to the "With Items" section of the P&A, with the 5-A rating being credited to it rather than the Black Hole Creation ability ("Large Planet level with the Grand Star" basically).
    • Though, with the whole thing about both Bowser and Eggman having trump cards, it could also be labeled as "Large Planet level with trump cards" which would include Dreamy Bowser, the Star Rod and the Grand Star.
  • Deconstruction doesn't really fit what happens in the Dreamy Bowser vs Time Eater alt. scenario, it's probably better to use what's actually being said in that moment and label it as Existance Erasure (Using the analysis when it's directly addressing the animation itself)
Sage
  • I don't know about Sage having "possibly Island level" durability, there are just too many possibilties for how Sage could've survived the Death Egg (like teleporting out before/after the Death Egg turns into a giant question block). Her forcefields can have an "at most Island level" rating as they could stop attacks from Fury Bowser momentarily and I don't think his spikes would be significantly weaker than he is physically.
Bowser Jr.
  • I think it's probably fine to give him (alongside all the other generals) an Athletic stamina rating, I don't see any reason why he'd be standing around doing nothing in an army fight like this.
  • I Already mentioned Jr. scaling to Metal's feat by blocking his attack above
King Boo
  • His durability should just be Unknown. He's an incorporeal ghost that floats, that's why he was unaffected by Infinite increasing gravity.
  • Personally, I think he can have "Unknown, likely Superhuman combat speed with High Hypersonic reactions" by scaling off of Bowser Jr. I think that works well for him, it would also allow him to blitz Infinite even more.
 
Diamond_Drone said:
I feel like most of these should have High Hypersonic reaction speeds scaling off of Metal Sonic's feat. Bowser Jr could react quickly enough to block Super Neo Metal Sonic's attack on Fury Bowser afterall and most of his generals should likely have comparable speeds to Jr as well.
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One speed feat I don’t hear get talked about is Eggman dodging a beam from Bowser Jr that reached the moon in seconds. He obviously upscales more from this via the Egg Dragoon, which then also scales to Bowser and the likes
 
Ednaxel2 said:
One speed feat I don’t hear get talked about is Eggman dodging a beam from Bowser Jr that reached the moon in seconds. He obviously upscales more from this via the Egg Dragoon, which then also scales to Bowser and the likes
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Probably because Bowser Jr never intended to hit Dr. Eggman with it, the intended target was always the Death Egg, and Eggman doesn't really look like he's dodging it anyway.
 
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Bowser (DEATH BATTLE!)

King Bowser Koopa, Sr. (Bowser for short) is one of the DEATH BATTLE! Season 3 and Season '24 combatants. He appeared in the 59th episode of DEATH BATTLE!, Bowser VS Ganon, where he fought against Ganondorf from the The Legend of Zelda series. He returned yet again for the 190th episode, Bowser...
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Uhh, this guy made a profile for him and has their own calcs
 
Spinoirr said:
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Bowser (DEATH BATTLE!)

King Bowser Koopa, Sr. (Bowser for short) is one of the DEATH BATTLE! Season 3 and Season '24 combatants. He appeared in the 59th episode of DEATH BATTLE!, Bowser VS Ganon, where he fought against Ganondorf from the The Legend of Zelda series. He returned yet again for the 190th episode, Bowser...
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Uhh, this guy made a profile for him and has their own calcs
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"No information is being used from the analysis" Copies over the entire army section from the analysis.
Yeah, alongside justifications like "Should be comparable to this character" without saying or showing why, this profile is kinda bad (also it forgets that Bowser vs Ganon exists).
Eden_Warlock99 said:
Doesn't he move in tandem with the beam tho?
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It's mostly to make him saying "Curses!" have natural movement in the animation rather than as an actual feat. It's very dubious to use that as any feat for Eggman at all, given how the focus is on Eggman seeing the Death Egg being the target instead.
 
Spinoirr said:
Thoughts on this
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DEATH BATTLE! Season 11 (2024) Calcs

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Same as the profile.

There's no need for the Death Egg to be at the L1 point between the Earth and the Moon, it's a man-made satellite and Eggman would probably want it closer to Earth so that it's easier to travel to if needed. It also assumes the whole block is made of solid gold, no hollowness of any kind for a block that contains coins, and that Sage moved the Death Egg herself just so they could get AP and LS from it.
 
Spinoirr said:
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Bowser (DEATH BATTLE!)

King Bowser Koopa, Sr. (Bowser for short) is one of the DEATH BATTLE! Season 3 and Season '24 combatants. He appeared in the 59th episode of DEATH BATTLE!, Bowser VS Ganon, where he fought against Ganondorf from the The Legend of Zelda series. He returned yet again for the 190th episode, Bowser...
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Uhh, this guy made a profile for him and has their own calcs
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Ok so
Why is his Base and Dry-self different keys when Dry Bowser is actually him... just without his skin? (Also no Bowser VS Ganon key, RIP)

But not only that, most of the profile's stats justification are just... bad:
  1. "Should be far superior to Sage, who moved the Death Egg into firing position with this much power" -While it's not strange to assume that Bowser is "superior" to Sage maybe... why is it treating it like Sage did the "Moving the Death Egg" feat physically when we could very easily assume it's through her "Telekinesis"? (Not really since we could also assume Sage could've activated and controls it from the inside) Users generally shouldn't scale to their Hax unless they are shown to be the same level or have a link to it otherwise, the same reasoning goes for LS too.
  2. "Far superior to Thwomps and Kamek, the former being able to one-shot Infinite," - Infinite hasn't even shown any physical feats on-screen and his feats is only through his ability and not on his own, plus also getting defeated by a Thwomp which... I calculated around Wall level, and Infinite is easily incapacitated by that.
  3. "and the latter being able to contend with Metal Sonic and Sage." - By "contend", do you mean raising mulitple pipes in order to blocked dozen of Badniks and a second later getting knocked into the Horizon by a single punch from an powered-up robotic super hedgehog? Overall, Kamek barely did anything to them and shouldn't scale to his magic.
  4. "Should be capable of attacking faster than his son, who reached the Death Egg in seconds with his transmutating beam" - None of the characters hasn't shown to scale to the Wand's attack speed, plus this feat is only achieved through Jr's magic wand and not physical.
  5. "Survived attacks from Sage and Metal Sonic believed by the former, latter, and Eggman to have killed him" - I mean... this part is okay, it's just that Bowser was actually temporarily knocked out and needed the Fury form from Junior in order to get back into fighting, also Sage didn't do anything offensive against Bowser throughout the fight.
 
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MintyBoi1 said:
I think someone should take a look at Aizen. I’m mainly worried about his Superhuman stamina just being from comparing to Madara.
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More prominently I'm noticing some major issues with the calcs, when I looked at it off hand.
 
Using frag with the pillars when he is indeed cutting it is off, but the rest is way better for sure
 
Yeah I vote we use Flowerguy1's calcs since they don't use the "1 Newton = 1 Joule" conversions

Off topic but I've been noticing in more calcs that people are just finding the LS of a feat and converting the newtons into Joules without accounting for the distance crossed, which isn't how it works, Newtons & Joules aren't the same thing. Anyone else notice this or am I just loosing my sanity?
 
ThePrimalHunter said:
Off topic but I've been noticing in more calcs that people are just finding the LS of a feat and converting the newtons into Joules without accounting for the distance crossed, which isn't how it works, Newtons & Joules aren't the same thing. Anyone else notice this or am I just loosing my sanity?
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Yeah, Newtons and Joules don't translate directly, you'd have to use Work and measure the distance that force goes across
 
ThePrimalHunter said:
Yeah I vote we use Flowerguy1's calcs since they don't use the "1 Newton = 1 Joule" conversions

Off topic but I've been noticing in more calcs that people are just finding the LS of a feat and converting the newtons into Joules without accounting for the distance crossed, which isn't how it works, Newtons & Joules aren't the same thing. Anyone else notice this or am I just loosing my sanity?
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Uh… I didn’t do 1 newton = 1 joules, I did a separate calculation afterwards, I just didn’t put in the specifics since most of what was needed was there before.
 
That's not the major issue, I've commented those onto the blog itself
 
With that said, should the stats and calculations be swapped out? Should be pretty easy to just replace numbers with those corresponding to the proper feats.
 
DMUA said:
With that said, should the stats and calculations be swapped out? Should be pretty easy to just replace numbers with those corresponding to the proper feats.
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I spent a lot of time, maybe later, but it’s late and the original page took me more than an hour to make.
 
It's just changing numbers around, assuming it's fine (And given nobody's raised issue and you're the guy that made it) I could just do it myself right now
 
DMUA said:
Yeah, Newtons and Joules don't translate directly, you'd have to use Work and measure the distance that force goes across
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Would that multiply the Force (Newtons) with Distance (meters) to get Work (J/s)?
 
ThePrimalHunter said:
I believe so
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Okay, in the calc link here, it mentions distance as "displacement", would that be like like how the actual force travels like propagation or something else?

www.calculatorsoup.com

Work Calculator W = Fs

Calculate work (W) as a function of force (F) and displacement (s). Calculate the unknown variable in the equation for work, where work is equal to force multiplied by displacement; W = Fs. Free online physics calculators, mechanics, energy, calculators.
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CNBA3 said:
Okay, in the calc link here, it mentions distance as "displacement", would that be like like how the actual force travels like propagation or something else?
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Basically, for the purposes of cutting it's how long the cut goes, for the purpose of lifting it's how far the object goes
 
Flowerguy2 said:
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Flowerguy1/DB! Profiles Sandbox2

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The BowserEggman profiles are set and done! Any thoughts on it before I published them and also could any of you notified the creator of the Bowser's profile?
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I noticed you're using the 24m height from Stonekillerz blog. I think the prefer the 22m since the pixel scaling seems to be a bit strange at the foot. Otherwise, everything else seems to be fine at a first glance.
 
Shouldn’t Zatanna be 2-C? There’s nothing to suggest there were over a thousand universes Scarlet Witch destroyed.
 
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