Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[UchihaSlayer96]

If the speed revisions come before we die of old age

Nothing was stopping ya'll from getting it done while I was dEd.

But on a serious note, I'll try to get back on the CRT train starting next month. Whether we do speed first, or we adjust AP due to all of the changes (UES stuff and Konoha size) that happened to the verse in that past year, I'm still not sure tbh.

I probably have Naruto above the first half of Death Note in isolation too

Also not a crazy take in my eyes. I think Naruto at its best > DN at its best.

Tbh I think its flaws are quite overstated. Which you seem to think too given that you think it's underrated, but I think the flaws are over over stated then

I don't agree with most of the popular flaws people bring up. In fact, I think most of them are stupid. There are actual flaws, though. It's just that they're overshadowed by the idiotic popular takes we hear all the time.

I mean...I find it kind of odd to say that Shunshin would be a different amp for different characters. It's generally portrayed that when people are relative in cqc, they're also relative in travel (think stuff like Sasuke and Kinshiki flying all across Kaguya's courtyard and also clashing relatively)

Notice how I said "probably"? Also, you can absolutely have different levels of proficiency in the use of the same technique.

Dam really? So many ppl I've seen thinking Naruto is like an 8 or smthn talk about how AoT is peak animanga and tier gaps Naruto (even saw someone say it tier gaps Naruto 8 times over which I find very sus)

AoT is massively overrated in my opinion. It's good, but the people acting like it's the second coming of Berserk are smoking some good shit.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

AoT is massively overrated in my opinion. It's good, but the people acting like it's the second coming of Berserk are smoking some good shit.

Ah yes, the second coming of Femto and his Casca

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This shit is raw as ****.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

What's funny is that AoT isn't even better than Naruto

I am of the opinion that naruto is better but I don't think its blatantly wrong of a take as saying something like one piece or bleach being above naruto
That does not answer my question tho

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I am of the opinion that naruto is better but I don't think its blatantly wrong of a take as saying something like one piece or bleach being above naruto

Maybe I'm crazy, but I think Bleach >~ Naruto is probably easier to argue than AoT >> Naruto.

That does not answer my question tho

Okay.
Berserk, Slam Dunk, Vagabond, Ghost in the Shell, Akira, HxH, FMA/B, Holyland low-key, Real, 20th Century Boys, Grand Blue, Vinland Saga, Monster, Uzumaki, etc.

High-key, I'm only scratching the surface with these.
I think "Naruto is the best/one of the best Shonen of all time" is probably a more realistic claim to defend. But best animanga ever is IMHO a bit of a stretch.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Nothing was stopping ya'll from getting it done while I was dEd.

Also I'm pretty sure my takes wouldn't have gotten widespread agreement

But on a serious note, I'll try to get back on the CRT train starting next month. Whether we do speed first, or we adjust AP due to all of the changes (UES stuff and Konoha size) that happened to the verse in that past year, I'm still not sure tbh.

I vote speed personally since it's probably more outdated (also Minato) but up to y'all

Also not a crazy take in my eyes. I think Naruto at its best > DN at its best.

Ite

I don't agree with most of the popular flaws people bring up. In fact, I think most of them are stupid. There are actual flaws, though. It's just that they're overshadowed by the idiotic popular takes we hear all the time.

Sure, I think Naruto and Sasuke's relationship could've been developed more in P1, some of the earlier Shippuden arcs weren't amazing, and I'm not quite sure how I feel about the political resolution of the story, but ion think the flaws are enough to bring it down from top tier.

Notice how I said "probably"? Also, you can absolutely have different levels of proficiency in the use of the same technique.

True. Whether it's BF or general speed though, Minato should overall be faster cause of him being the fastest ninja in the world (全忍随一の神速を誇る武勇の誉れは、他里の猛者をも魅了する！). I guess you could also say FTG but I find that iffy since it's not technically speed.

AoT is massively overrated in my opinion. It's good, but the people acting like it's the second coming of Berserk are smoking some good shit.

I shall take ur word for it until I see it myself

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Okay.
Berserk, Slam Dunk, Vagabond, Ghost in the Shell, Akira, HxH, FMA/B, Holyland low-key, Real, 20th Century Boys, Grand Blue, Vinland Saga, Monster, Uzumaki, etc.

High-key, I'm only scratching the surface with these.
I think "Naruto is the best/one of the best Shonen of all time" is probably a more realistic claim to defend. But best animanga ever is IMHO a bit of a stretch.

holy sneak ive read most of these and some of these either dont come close (uzumaki, grand blue, fmab) or still inferior

Maybe I'm crazy, but I think Bleach >~ Naruto is probably easier to argue than AoT >> Naruto.

Bl-...okay now it all makes sense nvm then

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

holy sneak ive read most of these and some of these either dont come close (uzumaki, grand blue, fmab) or still inferior

Well, it ain't a crime to have bad taste.

Bl-...okay now it all makes sense nvm then

I'm not really a Bleach fan if that's what you're insinuating.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This is an interesting statement

A lil unfortunate that it probably can't be used for YM Obito's AP cause non-UES

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

This is an interesting statement

A lil unfortunate that it probably can't be used for YM Obito's AP cause non-UES

Wouldn’t it automatically just scale him over the likes of the Sanin in a general sense?

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

I’ve also seen this used for scaling online as well:

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I’ve also seen this used for scaling online as well:

I always figured this meant Minato considered Masked Man Obito to be way above everyone else in the Akatsuki considering he doesn't even think Pain is much of a threat compared to him.

 

[NeoKingOfLight]

I always figured this meant Minato considered Masked Man Obito to be way above everyone else in the Akatsuki considering he doesn't even think Pain is much of a threat compared to him.

This + The Flashback Fight + The Minato One Shot could inform this tbh.

 

[SlendVeny]

I am of the opinion that naruto is better but I don't think its blatantly wrong of a take as saying something like one piece or bleach being above naruto
That does not answer my question tho

One Piece and Bleach slaughter AOT effortlessly wdym

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Wouldn’t it automatically just scale him over the likes of the Sanin in a general sense?

It does in "power," but idk if considering site standards, it can be assumed that power to control and summon a creature = AP

I’ve also seen this used for scaling online as well:

I use this to put YM Obito close to KCM2 Naruto in speed since it's implied Naruto needs to master Kurama's power to even stand a chance against him, as if it'd still be a tough fight with it (highkey consistent).

 

[HelloThere1089]

crazy how people cant fathom the idea of people appreciating a series above others and have to force the idea that it is mediocre trash
Naruto deserves a better fanbase that doesn't beat the series down or be dismissive of people gassing the series (energy that isn't present in other fandoms)

Pipe down lil bro. Nobody is forcing anything on you. You have the right to say Naruto is the best in your opinion, and I have the right to say your opinion is ass. Crazy you couldn't fathom that. It's not that deep.

Also, I never called Naruto mediocre trash. I called it good. You know what Naruto deserves? A fanbase that can read, but you're not helping at all.

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Imo, the Naruto franchise is a solid 9/10.

 

[HelloThere1089]

What's funny is that AoT isn't even better than Naruto

This is so real oml.

Okay.
Berserk, Slam Dunk, Vagabond, Ghost in the Shell, Akira, HxH, FMA/B, Holyland low-key, Real, 20th Century Boys, Grand Blue, Vinland Saga, Monster, Uzumaki, etc.

Great choices. Anything from Urasawa is gonna be good. Not to mention this isn't even taking into account the movies, shows, novels from around the world. There have been so many stories throughout humanity's history, and to claim Naruto is the best humanity has to offer is wild.

High-key, I'm only scratching the surface with these.
I think "Naruto is the best/one of the best Shonen of all time" is probably a more realistic claim to defend. But best animanga ever is IMHO a bit of a stretch.

A while back I said in this thread that people need to read more seinen. I was right.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

I'm not really a Bleach fan if that's what you're insinuating.

it's fine if you are, it's just a little surprising to see odd title(s) placed above naruto in your view

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Not to mention this isn't even taking into account the movies, shows, novels from around the world.

MLP, Avatar, Ace Attorney, Captain America: Civil War, and Endgame (these are not the kinds of stories you're thinking of)

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

One Piece and Bleach slaughter AOT effortlessly wdym

put the phone down my friend

 

[MasqueTLDF]

Lego Star Wars clears Naruto

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

This is so real oml.

Tell me about it

Great choices. Anything from Urasawa is gonna be good.

Not to mention this isn't even taking into account the movies, shows, novels from around the world. There have been so many stories throughout humanity's history, and to claim Naruto is the best humanity has to offer is wild.

Yeah, of course. I was just focused on well known anime and manga IPs to prove a point. If we included movies, tv shows, novels, video games, etc, we'd literally be here all day.

A while back I said in this thread that people need to read more seinen. I was right.

Reading all the comments so far, this is so real. Like, I'm not even what I'd consider a media snob, but people really need to get out of their comfort zone before making crazy claims. And again, I do think Naruto is pretty great. I just don't think it's the Citizen Kane or The Godfather of animanga is all lol.

 

[SlendVeny]

put the phone down my friend

If you actually think AOT beats One Piece and Bleach, go home.

 

[SlendVeny]

Lego Star Wars clears Naruto

Lego Ninjago is the top ninja series of all time tbh.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Pipe down lil bro. Nobody is forcing anything on you. You have the right to say Naruto is the best in your opinion, and I have the right to say your opinion is ass. Crazy you couldn't fathom that. It's not that deep.

Also, I never called Naruto mediocre trash. I called it good. You know what Naruto deserves? A fanbase that can read, but you're not helping at all.

it's so weird that you'll see a statement that praises a series most likely in a hyperbolic sense and try to overanalyze it and take it hyper literally to try and put it down instead of just ignoring it and a fanbase that thinks seinens are better isnt what it needs either, a good shonen clears a good seinen, most of them are overrated as hell and people that gas it have no idea why it's good and only ride the bangwagon

 

[SlendVeny]

only ride the bangwagon

To be fair, there's a lot of riding going on in the Bangwagon.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

If you actually think AOT beats One Piece and Bleach, go home.

for the sake of my sanity and wanting this not to get more heated I will consider this satire and leave it at that

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Reading all the comments so far, this is so real. Like, I'm not even what I'd consider a media snob, but people really need to get out of their comfort zone before making crazy claims.

Non-Shonen manga in general. Ya Boy Kongming, Oshi no Ko, Angel Beats, Hikaru no Go, Bakuman, Spy X Family (this is technically a Shonen but it's really not), etc., are great (not Naruto level tho)

 

[HelloThere1089]

it's so weird that you'll see a statement that praises a series most likely in a hyperbolic sense and try to overanalyze it and take it hyper literally to try and put it down instead of just ignoring it and a fanbase that thinks seinens are better isnt what it needs either, a good shonen clears a good seinen, most of them are overrated as hell and people that gas it have no idea why it's good and only ride the bangwagon

Why do I get the feeling that you're 17-18?

 

[HelloThere1089]

Non-Shonen manga in general. Ya Boy Kongming, Oshi no Ko, Angel Beats, Hikaru no Go, Bakumon, Spy X Family (this is technically a Shonen but it's really not), etc., are great (not Naruto level tho)

Iirc, Spy x Family is a Shonen. So is Bakuman.

Edit: Missed the technically shonen part. My b.

 

[Ped2018]

Oshi no Ko

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[ssgengar]

I’ve been really liking Sakamoto Days. I hope the anime is good

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Iirc, Spy x Family is a Shonen.

Uh

Spy X Family (this is technically a Shonen but it's really not)

So is Bakuman.

Dam that's surprising. Really doesn't strike me as one. Ig it'd be more accurate to say non-battle animanga then.

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?

 

[HelloThere1089]

Uh


Dam that's surprising. Really doesn't strike me as one. Ig it'd be more accurate to say non-battle animanga then.

?

I edited my comment right before lol. Also, Hikaru no Go is a Shonen too.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I edited my comment right before lol. Also, Hikaru no Go is a Shonen too.

Idk genres at all apparently

 

[HelloThere1089]

Idk genres at all apparently

Shonen is just serialisation tho. It's just the target audience. The term you're referring to is prolly Battle Shonen or just Battle Series. Cuz OPM is Seinen but it fits your criteria most likely.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Why do I get the feeling that you're 17-18?

sigh you're the same thing again

 

[SlendVeny]

for the sake of my sanity and wanting this not to get more heated I will consider this satire and leave it at that

It really isn't, AOT is super overrated. It's good, but not something I'd refer to as some kind of masterpiece. There are a few interesting and developed antagonists, but the biggest source of... everything, the ultimate antagonist, the "shining centipede" is basically the series' Black Zetsu. Deeply interesting, the coolest villain, barely explored.

Eren is treated like some giga-brain supergenius savior by everyone, including a surprising number of fans, but his plan was "manipulate my friends, manipulate my dad, kill my mom, kill as many people as I can, and get killed by someone I know, so then people will think Eldians are cool even though there's a 90% chance it'll be an Uchih- I mean Ackerman. That's gonna work! For 10 years, at least!"

What I really do appreciate is the portrayal of how futile his effort was. The wars restart a few decades later, and someone else goes to find that tree. It's depressing or whatever, yeah, but it means something.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Age stonewalling is kinda mid ngl