Naruto vs Meliodas

[SlendVeny]

People are saying Meliodas can take out Naruto's clones easily, but I'd like to remind everyone that creating Shadow Clones does not consume chakra, it only splits the user's chakra, so Naruto can just make them again.

Plus, the clones are wearing Low 5-B chakra cloaks, are as fast as Naruto, and there are like a thousand of them.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Iirc Nagato was extracting his soul and he couldn’t run around freely that’s what i’m talking about not him being completely paralysed it makes him an easy prey

Anyway not in character for Meliodas

I cited the panel earlier but let’s say it’s not the same, Naruto still can’t null darkness/physicals

Then he’d have to get out quick darkness can move way faster than it’s users anyway the barrier isn’t in character

It’s Negative energy


Fun fact this was just his DM2


It does, the darkness demons exude is also called « negative energy » when Meli launched a darkness attack into COD it absorbed it and made the skelletons resistant to magic

And yes it affects people that resists poisons etc… passively


It Is since Meli won’t use True magic

Tobirama´s clone could take it With his bare hands lmao Meliodas resists it’s deconstruction effects and Moon lvl + attacks could break through it

It talks about Natural energy Which is the energy they extract from nature itself (Wind, plants and other natural elements)

But it’s getting circular let’s just say it’s entirely different and Meliodas can’t really use magic

He still can use his Darkness and harm Naruto with it

Makai tobirama holding it is irrelevant to mel. Users of TSo can turn of the erasure properties
Glad this nature energy stuff is over.
Darkness would get erased by TSO

Never, it’s not in character + Hellblaze exists non magically (it’s just purgatory fire) but i think it was always considered magic in VS threads so let’s say it doesn’t exist naturally.

Naruto can’t use ninjutsu, Meliodas can’t use Magic.

Naruto can spam clones and that’s generally his way to go, Meliodas can take them out with ranged darkness attacks like darkness pillars etc…

Naruto has TSO but Meli resists it’s deconstruction and has enough AP to break it completely + it’s EE effect is based on:
Erasing Sasuke’s susanoo partially (It just powernull normal jutsu)
Erasing kunais, shurikens (Just it’s jinton nature)
Tobirama clone could take a TSO with his bare hands and just tp to Obito
Minato could stay in contact with TSO without dying
And it has range limits

Meliodas can use FC VC if Naruto wants to pull ninjutsu

Meliodas will passively poison Naruto just via existing (High ranking fairies like King resists poison and status effect inducement but King couldn’t even stay in the room of an uncouscious AM Meli)


An immobile Naruto would be an easy prey for Meli

So most of his physical arsenal remains

Negative energy is basically what allow darkness/miasma to destroy magic

Negative energy just has similar effects


Through ninjutsu based attacks if Meli use FC with his 8 clones Naruto dies instantly (Summoning his clones was litteraly his first move against Dubs)

Meliodas has the demon clan rage amps:
Made him overpower 7 clones with equal strength to his that were physically holding him
Made him perception blitz Hendrikson in base form
Made Zel Blitz and almost bisect Mael that was stronger than him

Let's talk about tso first. First of all It was not broken by moon level attacks. Guy with sekizo gears is small planetary. Secondly guy could not touch the tso as that would result in "bye bye guy". Kakashi had to help him remove madara covering so he could attack. The TSO shield is not invincible, a combo of higher ap than the owner and resistance to its properties to break it. Guy had the ap so he used madara's body as the resistance to break it. The only way mel can even touch the tso is if he puts naruto's body in between him and the TSO then he can punch naruto through it.

The bigger problem here is you are using a weaker madara TSO to scale naruto which is wrong. Naruto kurama mode ap is 800+ exatons and the TSO is above that. Mel ap is 700+ ex and nothing higher. He can't even damage the TSO realistically speaking.


Go to the layering thread and get his poison layered. Until then kurama cloak would protect naruto. What's worse is even if i agree with you his Creation of all things would just revive him. TSO can also erase both his darkness and miasma


Don't know why you are bringing ninjutsu when both can't us magic and ninjutsu.

Please don't talk of speed amps. Naruto has sage mode and shunshin (both blitz worthy) and higher reactions


Let me just say this. If both can only use physical attacks then mel would need a seriously large amount of hits to damage naruto due to the fact that his ap is slightly lower. What's worse naruto can constantly heal himself. If naruto goes asura mode his ap and durability triples. Mel is done.


One hit from the TSO and mel is dead

 

[Makai641001]

People are saying Meliodas can take out Naruto's clones easily, but I'd like to remind everyone that creating Shadow Clones does not consume chakra, it only splits the user's chakra, so Naruto can just make them again.

Plus, the clones are wearing Low 5-B chakra cloaks, are as fast as Naruto, and there are like a thousand of them.

Meliodas has Low 5-B ranged attacks that exceeds his physicals

The black matter can be used to form various offensive constructs such as large claws or weapons. These constructs enhance melee attacks a considerable amount.

Makai tobirama holding it is irrelevant to mel. Users of TSo can turn of the erasure properties

Send a panel that state the property was turned off then.

Minato had the TSO sticked to him and still didn’t get erased

Glad this nature energy stuff is over.

Me too

Darkness would get erased by TSO

You are acting like TSO could erase tens of km of darkness crushing Naruto

Let's talk about tso first. First of all It was not broken by moon level attacks. Guy with sekizo gears is small planetary.

Same as Meli

Secondly guy could not touch the tso as that would result in "bye bye guy". Kakashi had to help him remove madara covering so he could attack. The TSO shield is not invincible, a combo of higher ap than the owner and resistance to its properties to break it. Guy had the ap so he used madara's body as the resistance to break it. The only way mel can even touch the tso is if he puts naruto's body in between him and the TSO then he can punch naruto through it.

Naruto never even used the covering property

The bigger problem here is you are using a weaker madara TSO to scale naruto which is wrong. Naruto kurama mode ap is 800+ exatons and the TSO is above that. Mel ap is 700+ ex and nothing higher.

7+ Zettatons with enchantments.

He can't even damage the TSO realistically speaking.

He can

Go to the layering thread and get his poison layered. Until then kurama cloak would protect naruto. What's worse is even if i agree with you his Creation of all things would just revive him. TSO can also erase both his darkness and miasma

That’s assuming Meli would let it hit him

Don't know why you are bringing ninjutsu when both can't us magic and ninjutsu.

Meliodas can still use anything darkness related aka almost all his physicals

Please don't talk of speed amps. Naruto has sage mode and shunshin (both blitz worthy) and higher reactions

Meliodas has AM and rage amps

Let me just say this. If both can only use physical attacks then mel would need a seriously large amount of hits to damage naruto due to the fact that his ap is slightly lower.

If by slightly lower you mean that he can cover his sword in darkness and exceed Naruto’s durability by 8 to 9 times yeah

What's worse naruto can constantly heal himself.

Not Meliodas having the ability to regen too

If naruto goes asura mode his ap and durability triples.

did he ever use it lmao

Mel is done.

7 Zettatons > 2.4 Zettatons

One hit from the TSO and mel is dead

I still didn’t get to see a single panel where things get EE’d could you send some ?

 

[Makai641001]

I can’t lie I don’t really have time to entertain this conversation as I’m kinda busy with IRL stuff I’ll unwatch this since I feel like we won’t really find any agreement

 

[karo_senpaii]

Meliodas has Low 5-B ranged attacks that exceeds his physicals




Send a panel that state the property was turned off then.

Minato had the TSO sticked to him and still didn’t get erased

Me too

You are acting like TSO could erase tens of km of darkness crushing Naruto

Same as Meli

Naruto never even used the covering property

7+ Zettatons with enchantments.

He can

That’s assuming Meli would let it hit him

Meliodas can still use anything darkness related aka almost all his physicals

Meliodas has AM and rage amps

If by slightly lower you mean that he can cover his sword in darkness and exceed Naruto’s durability by 8 to 9 times yeah


Not Meliodas having the ability to regen too

did he ever use it lmao

7 Zettatons > 2.4 Zettatons

I still didn’t get to see a single panel where things get EE’d could you send some ?

1. It does not matter. They are just unquantifiably above 700ex so till below naruto's durability
2. makai stop asking for scans for stuff accepted on profiles
3. IT touched minato's cloth for like a split second and he teleported.
5. Naa all i said was naruto would use tso when necessary. Mel would just be wasting his darkness on clones
6. Never said he did
7. Invunerable. You are going back to magic. Are we here again?
8. He cannot. Lower ap and no resistance to it's erasure
9. Naruto is faster. It would eventually hit
10. Great said darkness < 800ex
11. One rage amp and that's all. Naruto has stats amp with increasing chakra, sage mode, shunsin
12. covering his sword with darkness does not increase ap by 10 times. Only imbuing your weapon with magic does.
13. Naruto has limited regen neg up to low godly. He can slow down regen for a long time. And yes I know mel has regen neg that's why i brought up healing
14. Yes? have you watched final valley naruto vs sasuke?
15. Mel can't use it coz naruto would erase it and is also invulnerable
16. Go to the profile. Click on the links used as justification for the ability.

 

[speedster352]

1. It does not matter. They are just unquantifiably above 700ex so till below naruto's durability
2. makai stop asking for scans for stuff accepted on profiles
3. IT touched minato's cloth for like a split second and he teleported.
5. Naa all i said was naruto would use tso when necessary. Mel would just be wasting his darkness on clones
6. Never said he did
7. Invunerable. You are going back to magic. Are we here again?
8. He cannot. Lower ap and no resistance to it's erasure
9. Naruto is faster. It would eventually hit
10. Great said darkness < 800ex
11. One rage amp and that's all. Naruto has stats amp with increasing chakra, sage mode, shunsin
12. covering his sword with darkness does not increase ap by 10 times. Only imbuing your weapon with magic does.
13. Naruto has limited regen neg up to low godly. He can slow down regen for a long time. And yes I know mel has regen neg that's why i brought up healing
14. Yes? have you watched final valley naruto vs sasuke?
15. Mel can't use it coz naruto would erase it and is also invulnerable
16. Go to the profile. Click on the links used as justification for the ability.

Meliodas resist powernull check the demon clan physiology. Also Meliodas scales above his son Tristian and can damage and fight chaos characters who should have the same invulnerability as chaos Galand. So he should have invulnerability negation like on Tristian profile.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

What's the current concencous?

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Meliodas resist powernull check the demon clan physiology. Also Meliodas scales above his son Tristian and can damage and fight chaos characters who should have the same invulnerability as chaos Galand. So he should have invulnerability negation like on Tristian profile.

I will do a CRT to add this to your profile, but first I am looking for other ablities

 

[speedster352]

What's the current concencous?

For Meliodas
If he has his true magic he can just destroy Naruto and his clones since his deconstruction scales to 1 layer(approved in the hax layer evaluation thread).
Meliodas might not scale as high as Naruto necessarily but his true magic would be too much.
If it’s 4knights Meliodas he would have a lot of trouble and not really any viable wincons unless he stays in his darkness forcefield and makes it inconclusive. Again Meliodas greatly resist powernull including his darkness and magic too so truth seeker orbs won’t work but he doesn’t resist EE anymore so that’s dangerous.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

I see. What about Naruto's side? Im tryna brainstorm the wincons to then vote.

 

[karo_senpaii]

For Meliodas
If he has his true magic he can just destroy Naruto and his clones since his deconstruction scales to 1 layer(approved in the hax layer evaluation thread).
Meliodas might not scale as high as Naruto necessarily but his true magic would be too much.
If it’s 4knights Meliodas he would have a lot of trouble and not really any viable wincons unless he stays in his darkness forcefield and makes it inconclusive. Again Meliodas greatly resist powernull including his darkness and magic too so truth seeker orbs won’t work but he doesn’t resist EE anymore so that’s dangerous.

Problem is naruto is invunerable to his magic

 

[Robo432343]

I see. What about Naruto's side? Im tryna brainstorm the wincons to then vote.

1000+ clones
Existence erasure
Invulnerability
Higher amps
there’s probably more

 

[karo_senpaii]

Finally saw the resistance to ESP so my bad. Apologies on that. Naruto still has analytic prediction and danger sensing

 

[speedster352]

Also Meliodas scales above his son Tristian and can damage and fight chaos characters who should have the same invulnerability as chaos Galand. So he should have invulnerability negation like on Tristian profile.

Problem is naruto is invunerable to his magic

Here you go

Finally saw the resistance to ESP so my bad. Apologies on that. Naruto still has analytic prediction and danger sensing

Meliodas also has stealth mastery and can reduce his presence even works on telepathy and heart reading.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

1000+ clones

Wouldn't his deconstruction stuff destroy them? Does his clones also have Invulnerablity? Just asking.

Invulnerability

Interesting. How does it operate tho?

Higher amps
there’s probably more

Understood.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Here you go
Meliodas also has stealth mastery and can reduce his presence even works on telepathy and heart reading.

1. go and make a crt and give him this. Till then naa
2. Naruto own still works against otsusuki who have resistance to ESP and stealth mastery

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

1. go and make a crt and give him this. Till then naa
2. Naruto own still works against otsusuki who have resistance to ESP and stealth mastery

What about Limbo Clones?

You can't See them, Smell them, or Hear them, but you can definitely Touch them and Taste them when they decide to puch you in your face. Essentially fighting an opponent you couldn't sense and not know if they're attacking with punches or kicks.

SPSM Naruto and his clones were able to fight them in hand to hand (blocking, countering, and parrying punches and kicks) despite the handicaps from above, and them being invisible and residing in a parallel dimension. Something that regular sensing, SM sensing, nor KCM sensing couldn't.

 

[speedster352]

1. go and make a crt and give him this. Till then naa
2. Naruto own still works against otsusuki who have resistance to ESP and stealth mastery

Again SBA would mean his strongest form so true magic would deconstruct the clones and then Naruto himself his true magic form also has a deconstruction aura so charging him would lead to the same results.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Again SBA would mean his strongest form

Wouldn't SBA mean the one with the highest Values? Meaning 4KoA Assault Mode since it scales higher than Low 5-B (756 Exatons) whereas SDS True Magic Mode is only "Likely Moon Level+ (389 Exatons)

so true magic would deconstruct the clones and then Naruto himself

If he can hit them

his true magic form also has a deconstruction aura

It isn't instant, and nor is it passive in TMF

 

[speedster352]

Wouldn't SBA mean the one with the highest Values? Meaning 4KoA Assault Mode since it scales higher than Low 5-B (756 Exatons) whereas SDS True Magic Mode is only "Likely Moon Level+ (389 Exatons)


If he can hit them


It isn't instant, and nor is it passive in TMF

You were saying? You mean Meliodas seemingly invisible attack all he has to do is point or just use his aura.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

You were saying?

It isn't instant since you didn't seem to read what I said.

You mean Meliodas seemingly invisible attack

That's not an attack though? You're confusing Aura with an Attack.

all he has to do is point or just use his aura.

So why did he have to use an attack to destroy the curses then if all he had to do was point?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

It True Magic Form's Aura had Passive Deconstruction, then how was Zeldris able to approach and grab hold of Meliodas' arm when the Aura was active?

 

[SlendVeny]

Again SBA would mean his strongest form

No it doesn't. We've said this before. It's the form they typically use for combat, in their strongest key.

 

[speedster352]

It True Magic Form's Aura had Passive Deconstruction, then how was Zeldris able to approach and grab hold of Meliodas' arm when the Aura was active?

The demon king grabbed him and he activated his true magic his aura deconstructed him(it’s not like he could point and charge magic in that situation) because he can control it he wouldn’t want to destroy his brother.

No it doesn't. We've said this before. It's the form they typically use for combat, in their strongest key.

Meliodas needs his true magic form to have any win cons. Then wouldn’t Naruto be in baryon mode and that last for like minutes and using jutsu would end it instantly.

 

[SlendVeny]

Meliodas needs his true magic form to have any win cons. Then wouldn’t Naruto be in baryon mode and that last for like minutes and using jutsu would end it instantly.

No, YOU'RE the one who thinks he'd be in Baryon mode.

 

[speedster352]

No, YOU'RE the one who thinks he'd be in Baryon mode.

I thought you said SBA means their strongest key I am starting to get confused.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

it’s not like he could point and charge magic in that situation

So basically, what you said is wrong then

because he can control it he wouldn’t want to destroy his brother.

Are you ignoring that Zeldris grabbed Meliodas while the Aura was active?

Your whole premise is that the Aura has a passive Deconstruction effect when it doesn't, and is something he needs to activate first. Hence why Zeldris is able to grab Meliodas' arm.

 

[speedster352]

So basically, what you said is wrong then


Are you ignoring that Zeldris grabbed Meliodas while the Aura was active?

Your whole premise is that the Aura has a passive Deconstruction effect when it doesn't, and is something he needs to activate first. Hence why Zeldris is able to grab Meliodas' arm.

Why would that apply here? If Meliodas is fighting against an enemy he would keep the aura on. The only thing confusing is if Meliodas is his 4 knights self or his True magic self.

1000+ clones
Existence erasure
Invulnerability
Higher amps
there’s probably more

I suggest you change Meliodas key to True magic.

 

[Majinere566]

Jesus Christ who even suggested that it was Passive Deconstruction?

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Jesus Christ who even suggested that it was Passive Deconstruction?

Who do you think?

 

[Robo432343]

I thought you said SBA means their strongest key I am starting to get confused.

dude wtf
i linked part 2 war arc naruto

 

[speedster352]

dude wtf
i linked part 2 war arc naruto

My bad I just am not used to the different keys on Naruto’s profile. So can true magic Meliodas be used or is it 4koa?

 

[Robo432343]

Bro I’m leaving
What would SBA assume for meli

 

[karo_senpaii]

My bad I just am not used to the different keys on Naruto’s profile. So can true magic Meliodas be used or is it 4koa?

we've never even seen him use it so how does that work. plus there is still the issue of the tso just erasing it and naruto's invulnerability

 

[speedster352]

we've never even seen him use it so how does that work. plus there is still the issue of the tso just erasing it and naruto's invulnerability

Meliodas scales above his son Tristan who can damage chaos Galand who is invulnerable also he can fight Arthur who have similar invulnerability. In other words Meliodas should have invulnerability negation. Also Meliodas greatly resist powernull and his deconstruction scales 1 layer above Naruto resistance. Wouldn’t using the TSB give himself away as the real Naruto and getting rid of him would get rid of all the clones.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Meliodas scales above his son Tristan who can damage chaos Galand who is invulnerable also he can fight Arthur who have similar invulnerability. In other words Meliodas should have invulnerability negation. Also Meliodas greatly resist powernull and his deconstruction scales 1 layer above Naruto resistance. Wouldn’t using the TSB give himself away as the real Naruto and getting rid of him would get rid of all the clones.

Ge it accepted in a crt first. stop using stuff not on profiles. His decon is from his magic which naruto is invunerable to. Naruto can give the orbs to the clones and allow them to use it

 

[SlendVeny]

Wouldn’t using the TSB give himself away as the real Naruto

Kaguya thought the same thing, and look at her now.

 

[Robo432343]

what happens if meli gets hit by tso

 

[SlendVeny]

what happens if meli gets hit by tso

He would not like that very much I think.

 

[Robo432343]

is it true mel will get erased if tso hits him