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1. what's VC?
Vanish counter
2. Of course, he can deflect multiple attacks if coming together in same direction, I never argued against that just that he needed some form of touch.
Basically once he deflects 1 attack all the nearest attacks go back to the person that Send it
3. One that nulls all form of jutsu
Not senjutsu aka natural energy, magic in NNT involve natural energy/natural elements

  • Destruction-Type「破壊型, Hakai-gata」: Allows the user to exert power with destructive properties, with natural forces like thunder or flame, or a unnatural dark force.
4. naruto durability at the lowest in his cloaked form is 800+ exatons while mel and his darkness is 700+ exatons and again naruto is invulnerable
Just saw that
5. Still not close to naruto
Stamina wise ?
Meliodas can last hours spamming Darkness tendrils, giant pillars etc…
6. oh you mean true magic? what's special about it?
Basically erasing shit, Blud erased DK’s arm cause he tried to touch him
7. Tag where it is on his profile
What ? True magic ? Search the EE part
8. What? no his EE comes from destroying the demo king with his own demon king power.
He had that Power even in purgatory that’s where he used it

He lost it and even if it is granted back to him it is irrelevant here as naruto is resistant. Mel himself is not resistant to EE
He still has it
9. It is his DK. You are just twisting narrative. If it was just his true magic then why did he not just use true magic to destroy him?
Cause it’s way to dangerous to be used in normal circumstances, he used it and destroyed his arm
why did he have to give up his DK powers? you are making his sacrifice pointless
He wanted to reign through normal means not using fear as a motive
10. No mel ap is actually quite lower. Only version 2x superior to naruto own is when he uses magic imbued weaponry which is pointless and naruto both nulls his magic but is also invulnerable to his magic
It’s around 8 to 9 times higher with enchantments, his magic is destroyer type magic it won’t get dispelled
11. So demon king directly stating the name of his attack is not a spell?
What attack ??
also scan for darkness being non magical
The commandments were sealed and had no magic tho they were using darkness to fly etc… it’s litteraly part of their body that’s a limb to them
12. read again. SBA strongest forms (low 5b with kurama six path sage mode) Ironically if you start naruto from base by the time he goes full power he blitzes and one shots
Mb I just misread Naruto’s profile it wasn’t in order so I thought he was 5-C+
13. Decimate power null and EE ?
The powernull doesn’t even work and Meli resists his own EE powers
14. Borrowed power is not the commandment. The demon king specifically stated the power he borrowed him was God when he attacked zeldris plus why would zeldris just decide not to use God to defend himself. Also saying he wanted to take his commandment but then found out it was useless but then went ahead to say the alternative is to take commandments is counter productive.
Meliodas knew he could not steal God cause it would automatically get taken back by DK
15. My bad i can't find it. either way amaterasu scales above sasuke lightning. naruto can also erase hellblaze
Mhmh i’ll trust you on this one
I honestly don't see mel wining in any scenario . While yes naruto cannot use jutsu due to FC the same is true about mel as all his magical attacks would either be erased, power nulled or if any of them manage to escape just won't work due to naruto's invulnerability. This match comes down to hand to hand and considering naruto has the higher speed amps, ESP and higher reactions coupled with analytic prediction I don't see mel winning. Naruto also has the slight ap advantage going by DM2 to Kurama cloaked and can further increase it with his avatar and even 3 times with asura mode.
Mel’s magic wouldn’t get erased or powernulled it’s similar to senjutsu

Meli has AM + his enchantments and can use magic as well as just spamming his darkness
 
Where does it say that Gil's lightning is 30K Celsius?
Natural thunderstorm lightning heat

When was it implied that Meliodas, by the time of 4KoA, still has his True Magic?
That’s his true magic power… he had it in season 1 the author also stated in the Q&A that he’ll use it again in 4Kota

That’s like asking « what proves ban can still use his snatch magic » that’s just his innate magical power.

FC never was his true power
 
There is A LOT going on in both pages so I'm not so sure what's going on with either of them. All I'm seeing is a bunch of "higher and far higher."
Basically they are close to each others in DM and far higher with other forms Meliodas has a 10x amp that puts him around 8 to 9 times higher and can use natural forces or his darkness to bypass the ninjutsu barrier
 
Natural thunderstorm lightning heat
Which is 5X the heat of the sun though, 27,800 C

That’s his true magic power… he had it in season 1
Season 1 of what? The 4KoA anime?

the author also stated in the Q&A that he’ll use it again in 4Kota
So is there actually any thing that hints he still has it other than the Author?

That’s like asking « what proves ban can still use his snatch magic » that’s just his innate magical power.
It's like you didn't understand the question.

I'm asking if he still has True Magic, because Meliodas stated he lost that power in order to destroy his father's power

FC never was his true power
So when did I say FC was his true power?
 
Which is 5X the heat of the sun though, 27,800 C
Yeah around that
Season 1 of what? The 4KoA anime?
SDS
So is there actually any thing that hints he still has it other than the Author?
That’s Just His magic, he has it Just like an ice mage can use his ice magic
It's like you didn't understand the question.
I'm asking if he still has True Magic, because Meliodas stated he lost that power in order to destroy his father's power
He never stated that he’d lost his True magic he lost his DK form
So when did I say FC was his true power?
Never but many people assume it’s his original power
 
Vanish counter

Basically once he deflects 1 attack all the nearest attacks go back to the person that Send it

Not senjutsu aka natural energy, magic in NNT involve natural energy/natural elements



Just saw that

Stamina wise ?
Meliodas can last hours spamming Darkness tendrils, giant pillars etc…

Basically erasing shit, Blud erased DK’s arm cause he tried to touch him

What ? True magic ? Search the EE part

He had that Power even in purgatory that’s where he used it


He still has it

Cause it’s way to dangerous to be used in normal circumstances, he used it and destroyed his arm

He wanted to reign through normal means not using fear as a motive

It’s around 8 to 9 times higher with enchantments, his magic is destroyer type magic it won’t get dispelled

What attack ??

The commandments were sealed and had no magic tho they were using darkness to fly etc… it’s litteraly part of their body that’s a limb to them

Mb I just misread Naruto’s profile it wasn’t in order so I thought he was 5-C+

The powernull doesn’t even work and Meli resists his own EE powers

Meliodas knew he could not steal God cause it would automatically get taken back by DK

Mhmh i’ll trust you on this one

Mel’s magic wouldn’t get erased or powernulled it’s similar to senjutsu

Meli has AM + his enchantments and can use magic as well as just spamming his darkness
1. Yeah later realised
2. not how naruto clones work. He is surrounded 360
3. i suggest you go and read up what senjutsu is. What you linked are natural elements which is different from senjutsu. For example sasuke kirin is not senjutsu. Your arguments are like saying In a cross match up anyone that has spiritual energy will resist RC
4. That's not erasure. The difference between me and you is I'm going by profiles and you're just ass pulling. Not like this matters coz naruto is resistant
5. Please link it coz it seems i can't read
6. this pointless as naruto resists EE
7. Link him erasing someone in 4KOA
8. No I'm asking why mel did not use his true magic to destroy the DK and used his DK powers instead
9. NGl at this point you are just being disingenuous. The exact words of Mel was if i use my DK powers I can destroy him and merlin said "but you will loose it"
10. Read the profile again. Naruto Ap goes up to 5zt in asura mode. Mel ap with destroyer magic would be 7zt. And destroyer magic is getting erased and nulled unless you link me to the part of mel's profile that shows this
11. It's linked in the scan
14. Link mel resistance to power null and EE
15. Link the scan for your claim. This is pure headcanon
17. Does mel magic turn people to stone? does it give people ESP? Mel magic is the farthest thing from senjutsu.

15.
 
1. Yeah later realised
2. not how naruto clones work. He is surrounded 360
3. i suggest you go and read up what senjutsu is. What you linked are natural elements which is different from senjutsu. For example sasuke kirin is not senjutsu. Your arguments are like saying In a cross match up anyone that has spiritual energy will resist RC
4. That's not erasure. The difference between me and you is I'm going by profiles and you're just ass pulling. Not like this matters coz naruto is resistant
5. Please link it coz it seems i can't read
6. this pointless as naruto resists EE
7. Link him erasing someone in 4KOA
8. No I'm asking why mel did not use his true magic to destroy the DK and used his DK powers instead
9. NGl at this point you are just being disingenuous. The exact words of Mel was if i use my DK powers I can destroy him and merlin said "but you will loose it"
10. Read the profile again. Naruto Ap goes up to 5zt in asura mode. Mel ap with destroyer magic would be 7zt. And destroyer magic is getting erased and nulled unless you link me to the part of mel's profile that shows this
11. It's linked in the scan
14. Link mel resistance to power null and EE
15. Link the scan for your claim. This is pure headcanon
17. Does mel magic turn people to stone? does it give people ESP? Mel magic is the farthest thing from senjutsu.

15.
Would Meliodas be able to reflect Naruto's chakra arms? If they are energy infused it should work that's like when he reflected twigos magic imbued sword swings.
 
Would Meliodas be able to reflect Naruto's chakra arms? If they are energy infused it should work that's like when he reflected twigos magic imbued sword swings.
Twigo is very weird. He might have launched a magical attack coming out of his sword coz mel fought so many sword users after but never did that again. Also naruto chakra arms are just kurama so I don't think so
 
Twigo is very weird. He might have launched a magical attack coming out of his sword coz mel fought so many sword users after but never did that again. Also naruto chakra arms are just kurama so I don't think so
But it was a magical-infused physical attack. It should work because chakra is an energy and the chakra arms are energy-infused physical attacks.
 
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It is a fist.
Which remains energy, doesn't change anything

non magical =/ non physical
Nice try

Verse equalization: Similar supernatural aspects of verses get equalized in a reasonable fashion. So a supernatural energy that almost everyone in a Verse has, which is necessary to fight the characters of said Verse, will be assumed to be the equivalent energy that the opponents use in their techniques so that a proper fight can happen.
 
It’s still chakra infused and the damage can be reflected as seen with twigo.
Say a magic user amps their punch with chakra it’s still chakra infused so it should be able to be reflected. All twigo did was amp his sword swing with some magic and it was reflected back at him.
It absolutely does not work that way. If not people like escanor using his clearly magical overwhelming finger as the one would not harm mel or mael would not hurt zeldris with helios flair while he has God. Stop the cap
Which remains energy, doesn't change anything


Nice try
I'm going to ignore this as i don't see the relevance
 
1. Yeah later realised
K
2. not how naruto clones work. He is surrounded 360
And ? Attacks that are in the vicinity of the counter up to tens of meters are going to get deflected
3. i suggest you go and read up what senjutsu is. What you linked are natural elements which is different from senjutsu. For example sasuke kirin is not senjutsu. Your arguments are like saying In a cross match up anyone that has spiritual energy will resist RC
Senjutsu is Just them using natural energy and mixing it with chakra.

The same way destroyer type magic mix magic and natural elements.
4. That's not erasure. The difference between me and you is I'm going by profiles and you're just ass pulling. Not like this matters coz naruto is resistant
Then he would get deconstructed
5. Please link it coz it seems i can't read
6. this pointless as naruto resists EE
Mel can deconstruct him, he deconstructed DK that has High ranking demon physiology
7. Link him erasing someone in 4KOA
I don’t need to
8. No I'm asking why mel did not use his true magic to destroy the DK and used his DK powers instead
He did use His TMF
9. NGl at this point you are just being disingenuous. The exact words of Mel was if i use my DK powers I can destroy him and merlin said "but you will loose it"
He’d lose the commandments
10. Read the profile again. Naruto Ap goes up to 5zt in asura mode. Mel ap with destroyer magic would be 7zt.
Destroyer enchantments aka his sword infused with darkness which isn’t a magical substance
And destroyer magic is getting erased and nulled unless you link me to the part of mel's profile that shows this

11. It's linked in the scan
??
14. Link mel resistance to power null and EE
It seems like Ark isn’t considered as EE anymore despite erasing body and mind

But high ranking demons resist it’s powernull effects

15. Link the scan for your claim. This is pure headcanon
For ? Him knowing DK can take God back ?
17. Does mel magic turn people to stone? does it give people ESP? Mel magic is the farthest thing from senjutsu.

15.
It’s magic infused with natural Energy like natural elements the same way senjutsu is chakra mixed With natural energy

We can also play dumb going with Meliodas just resisting magic lmao

Wow gg Meliodas resists Naruto’s ninjutsu attacks and dispell his chakra barriers passively with negative energy

Naruto can’t null Darkness, can’t null Meliodas enchantment, Meli can just null magic as long as it’s on a similar level to his
 
Which is 5X the heat of the sun though, 27,800 C


Season 1 of what? The 4KoA anime?


So is there actually any thing that hints he still has it other than the Author?


It's like you didn't understand the question.

I'm asking if he still has True Magic, because Meliodas stated he lost that power in order to destroy his father's power


So when did I say FC was his true power?
If his TMF was a one time use form then explain me how he used it 3 times ?

1) Chapter 306 when he destroyed the curses
2) Chapter 312 when he destroyed them again
3) When he destroyed them again and abandonned the commandments power
 
If his TMF was a one time use form then explain me how he used it 3 times ?

1) Chapter 306 when he destroyed the curses
2) Chapter 312 when he destroyed them again
3) When he destroyed them again and abandonned the commandments power
Can't Meliodas easily win throught Hellblaze, Deconstruction and Soul Destruction? I don't see Naruto countering that even with Shadow Clones
 
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And ? Attacks that are in the vicinity of the counter up to tens of meters are going to get deflected

Senjutsu is Just them using natural energy and mixing it with chakra.

The same way destroyer type magic mix magic and natural elements.

Then he would get deconstructed



Mel can deconstruct him, he deconstructed DK that has High ranking demon physiology

I don’t need to

He did use His TMF

He’d lose the commandments

Destroyer enchantments aka his sword infused with darkness which isn’t a magical substance



??

It seems like Ark isn’t considered as EE anymore despite erasing body and mind

But high ranking demons resist it’s powernull effects



For ? Him knowing DK can take God back ?

It’s magic infused with natural Energy like natural elements the same way senjutsu is chakra mixed With natural energy

We can also play dumb going with Meliodas just resisting magic lmao

Wow gg Meliodas resists Naruto’s ninjutsu attacks and dispell his chakra barriers passively with negative energy

Naruto can’t null Darkness, can’t null Meliodas enchantment, Meli can just null magic as long as it’s on a similar level to his
makai we are going in circles so let's drop this. Mixing magic with natural element would be likened to mixing chakra with natural elements. Case and point sasuke kirin. By your logic kirin would be senjutsu but it isn't. You fundamentally don't know what kirin is. Let other people vote and decide. I'm exhausted
 
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