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The commoners thread: Discussing Ultima's "On the Many, Many Incoherences of the Tiering System"

Ultima_Reality said:
Get ye gone, old demon. You have no power in the new era.
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Iamunanimousinthat said:
What about in context of layers. Perhaps its ignorance, but I don't think I have seen higher layers of BDE as I have with higher layers of reality?
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These cases are rarer, but they do exist. For instance, in The Elder Scrolls, existence is divided into layers of "wheels," where each wheel is explicitly a higher infinity than the wheel it contains. The lowest level of this hierarchy is the mortal plane, where space-time dimensions exist, whereas all the levels above it are realms of "untime and unplace" and etc.

There's Cthulhu Mythos, too, where the dimensioned universe is a tiny "bubble" springing from a higher world beyond dimensions, and then this world, too, has higher levels of infinity in it that are likewise beyond spacetime dimensions.
 
Ultima_Reality said:
In the same way lasers are Lightspeed, I suppose. As in, a verse that represents the full gamut of the original Theory of Forms is certainly 1-A (And 0) under the proposals, but fiction so rarely depicts it correctly that "Platonic" might as well be of the same value as "laser," feat-wise.
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So, things come full circle with the really old Tiering System standards?
 
Ultima_Reality said:
I mean, people nowadays slap Type 2 BDE on the roof of any "Transcends space and time" statement. I'd say it's less "It will get stricter" and more "People misunderstand how strict the power should really be and misapply it everywhere." So that would, in fact, be less of a change and more of a call for action.
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I mean, is it not necessary to make such things more understandable, but at the same time to have a more specific and distinctive requirement? At least for BDE or R>F or both
 
Ultima_Reality said:
These cases are rarer, but they do exist. For instance, in The Elder Scrolls, existence is divided into layers of "wheels," where each wheel is explicitly a higher infinity than the wheel it contains. The lowest level of this hierarchy is the mortal plane, where space-time dimensions exist, whereas all the levels above it are realms of "untime and unplace" and etc.

There's Cthulhu Mythos, too, where the dimensioned universe is a tiny "bubble" springing from a higher world beyond dimensions, and then this world, too, has higher levels of infinity in it that are likewise beyond spacetime dimensions.
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So if I understand correctly, each layer has their own unique concept of dimensions that are distinct, and alien, and superior to the concepts of dimensionality in the lower layers? One layer could have infinite and uncountably infinite dimensions and the higher layer could just have three dimensions, but because the higher layer's dimensions are completely unique and alien to the lower dimension, it doesn't matter how many dimensions the lower layer has, it will always be inferior to the dimensions of the higher layer?
 
Iamunanimousinthat said:
So if I understand correctly, each layer has their own unique concept of dimensions that are distinct, and alien, and superior to the concepts of dimensionality in the lower layers? One layer could have infinite and uncountably infinite dimensions and the higher layer could just have three dimensions, but because the higher layer's dimensions are completely unique and alien to the lower dimension, it doesn't matter how many dimensions the lower layer has, it will always be inferior to the dimensions of the higher layer?
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It can be exactly that, yes. Doesn't need to, though. It can be as simple as "This realm is beyond dimensionality and this other realm is infinitely higher than it," which is pretty much just what the two verses I've listed do, almost verbatim. Of course, you could also have "This guy sees 1-A beings the same way they see regular humans" and other similar things.
 
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