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Rule Violation Reports (New forum)

Another issue I have is why are you not sourcing the complete information? It makes it easy to take things out of context.

With the screenshots you gave and described it, you could've given people the impression that Geb posted this immediately after I made that comment.
 
I just saw @Georredannea15's comment.

I feel like I owe an official apology due to reason 1 of my report.

I saw Reiner's thread on VBW back then. I am on that Discord server, just to be clear. I wanna be 100% transparent.

I had actual concerns with the standards that were being proposed at the time, so I seriously hope Reiner was joking, because I was under that assumption.

Regardless, as I said, Georr deserves an apology, and here it is.

I am ashamed of myself for reporting someone for a reason that is invalid. I also apologize to the staff for having wasted their time.

That is all.
 
I just saw @Georredannea15's comment.

I feel like I owe an official apology due to reason 1 of my report.

I saw Reiner's thread on VBW back then. I am on that Discord server, just to be clear. I wanna be 100% transparent.

I had actual concerns with the standards that were being proposed at the time, so I seriously hope Reiner was joking, because I was under that assumption.

Regardless, as I said, Georr deserves an apology, and here it is.

I am ashamed of myself for reporting someone for a reason that is invalid. I also apologize to the staff for having wasted their time.

That is all.
You acknowledged your mistake, I hope your apology is accepted it's genuine.
 
I just saw @Georredannea15's comment.

I feel like I owe an official apology due to reason 1 of my report.

I saw Reiner's thread on VBW back then. I am on that Discord server, just to be clear. I wanna be 100% transparent.

I had actual concerns with the standards that were being proposed at the time, so I seriously hope Reiner was joking, because I was under that assumption.

Regardless, as I said, Georr deserves an apology, and here it is.

I am ashamed of myself for reporting someone for a reason that is invalid. I also apologize to the staff for having wasted their time.

That is all.
Man, it's not about personal situation, and personal insults are fine with me, the problem here is Reiner's actions and manipulations in the wiki-side.

You can be sure, I will not report anyone for insulting me or anything like that(as long as it's not too heavy.) The problem here is that Reiner is doing a general site-wide manipulation and many other things like that. This is a huge problem and unfortunately I can't take it back, this is a vsb-wide thing now.

You are not the person I am reporting. So, just be relax.
 
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Yes, I don't know if I really should have done this, but Reiner said things like "where is the evidence, if there is no evidence, don't slander" for the things I said.

Here, here and here are the evidences

And here is also a video from my friend who sent me the photos above. (She used to be on the wiki, but not now)

As I said, he constantly asked me for evidence and accused me of being a slanderer.

Maybe they might say to me, "You did it out of hatred and spite," but if that was my intention, believe me, I would have done it in the first place. Since they told me these things and they reported me to RVR first, naturally I had to do this.

I don't know what will happen next. The reason I did publish the video was so that they wouldn't edit these messages later and call me a "slanderer".
I know it's a little late because I had to think for a while to do this, but unfortunately I had to do it.
Those are most obvious jokes from me you can see, i have used it even in here so u don't really had to go all the way to discord anyway, just search me on the search bar and use "standard manipulation", "wank", "Disagree with Low 1-C DB". As i don't internally like DB getting Low 1-C in all but it is what it is. If you're going to cut me off of discord then God knows how many things u can prove me to be, considering I'm way more Frank, chill and jokes mostly on discord.
 
That is not enough and is grasping straws at this point. The reason why Geburah knew about the thread was because Sailor Arkham posted that thread in a group he was in

And it's being dishonest to say it was within the same time frame, it wasn't you can look at the time of those posts https://vsbattles.com/threads/too-many-to-count-an-archie-sonic-cosmology-revision.160718/ https://vsbattles.com/threads/too-m...-sonic-cosmology-revision.160718/post-6166150 and the hours since Geb's post was made and you can clearly see the two were not made in the same time frame

He isn't the only one that came to that conclusion either.

Even without that; I don't know why you're acting like Geburah can't possibly know about what happens in this site either, not everything is off limits to non-users so he can see some threads and they can be posted to him. It even happens a lot with dragon ball revisions, I can't tell you how common it is that someone posts a new dragon ball revision to us in our group.

Just because Geb is banned doesn't mean he's not going to be aware of what goes on in the site so to use his awareness of the thread as proof that me, @HenshinIntervention and him are the same is dishonest and relies on too many assumptions. It's too hasty.

Yeah, I directly posted that link because I thought it was interesting because there was never an attempt like that, and the arguments seem fine.

I had no control over Busy Dude when he disagreed with it
It should be noted that Geburah said he thought the arguments/upgrades were fine, but he didn't like how Op cherry picked WOG statements.

Notice the difference between this and Busy Dude's persistent efforts to criticize the Archie Sonic thread?

Also notice how we are talking to Geburah? About the bans specifically? We let him know that we're being framed as him btw.
I'm sorry but these arguments are based on assumption and "dude, trust me"
We are not the same person.

I received this extra scan of further proof that Geburah only having problems with the cherry picking

And Busy said the same thing here

"but if you’re saying that’s wrong then we might as well not use the encyclopedia as that’s full of contradictions"



Aldo you two stop spamming this thread, edit your posts if you need to include anything else, you were both already warned about this, you can't just spam the report thread

"but if you’re saying that’s wrong then we might as well not use the encyclopedia as that’s full of contradictions"

Geburah is upset with the usage of WOG, not the encyclopedia. He's mad about the OP using only certain statements and not others which would yield more upgrades (according to him), particularly for Game Sonic
Busy Dude is talking about them not using the encyclopedia about Maginaryworld, SOA and the Chaos Force.
 
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Those are most obvious jokes from me you can see, i have used it even in here so u don't really had to go all the way to discord anyway, just search me on the search bar and use "standard manipulation", "wank", "Disagree with Low 1-C DB". As i don't internally like DB getting Low 1-C in all but it is what it is. If you're going to cut me off of discord then God knows how many things u can prove me to be, considering I'm way more Frank, chill and jokes mostly on discord.
If this screenshots were a joke, why did you make them on the wiki?

Something that's a joke can't be taken seriously, right?

But since you took it seriously, you seriously changed this standard and immediately opened up the upgrade, right?

These cannot be jokes.

The threads you opened on Wiki and what I wrote here, as well as the tone, do not seem like a joke at all.

I think these are enough along with the video above.(BTW i have one more evidence, but I think these will be enough)

What you did on the wiki and what you wrote in the places I quoted above are clear indications that this is not a joke...

Anyway, I'll leave that to the staffs.
 
Yeah, I directly posted that link because I thought it was interesting because there was never an attempt like that, and the arguments seem fine.

I had no control over Busy Dude when he disagreed with it
It should be noted that Geburah said he thought the arguments/upgrades were fine, but he didn't like how Op cherry picked WOG statements.

Notice the difference between this and Busy Dude's persistent efforts to criticize the Archie Sonic thread?

Also notice how we are talking to Geburah? About the bans specifically? We let him know that we're being framed as him btw.
I'm sorry but these arguments are based on assumption and "dude, trust me"
We are not the same person.
There's also this https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9...unity?lb=Ugkxp1xeeOLnYOjQFQyFwxOgn7Pdgl1Fabqp

Geb seems like the kind of guy to eat up any Sonic stat upgrades just so Sonic is closer to tier 0 and above.
 
Yeah, I directly posted that link because I thought it was interesting because there was never an attempt like that, and the arguments seem fine.

I had no control over Busy Dude when he disagreed with it
It should be noted that Geburah said he thought the arguments/upgrades were fine, but he didn't like how Op cherry picked WOG statements.

Notice the difference between this and Busy Dude's persistent efforts to criticize the Archie Sonic thread?

Also notice how we are talking to Geburah? About the bans specifically? We let him know that we're being framed as him btw.
I'm sorry but these arguments are based on assumption and "dude, trust me"
We are not the same person.
And Busy said the same thing here

"but if you’re saying that’s wrong then we might as well not use the encyclopedia as that’s full of contradictions"



Aldo you two stop spamming this thread, edit your posts if you need to include anything else, you were both already warned about this, you can't just spam the report thread
 
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It's not like we're at risk of being banned or anything, right?
This case seems to be an ad nauseam enigma. Cases and as this usually shouldn’t take up this many pages. Anyways, if you two have nothing else to prove yourself with then please stop exacerbating the predicament (by arguing whatsoever) and let the staff handle it afterwards to prove your innocence.
 
If this screenshots were a joke, why did you make them on the wiki?

Something that's a joke can't be taken seriously, right?

But since you took it seriously, you seriously changed this standard and immediately opened up the upgrade, right?

These cannot be jokes.

The threads you opened on Wiki and what I wrote here, as well as the tone, do not seem like a joke at all.

I think these are enough along with the video above.(BTW i have one more evidence, but I think these will be enough)

What you did on the wiki and what you wrote in the places I quoted above are clear indications that this is not a joke...

Anyway, I'll leave that to the staffs.
Okay. I always make jokes on my threads and any change in standard that affects ben ten being a wank or manp, not just wiki but God knows on how many stuff, as i said, you can find them even here on wiki. On discord tho, you'll see me pushing, lying and sometimes Gaslighting my friends as being a wanker (in joke). Anyway, you should have posted all these stuff before as well, as I don't have time to deal with each stuff irregularly. If these screenshots gets you into thinking and were base of your accusations then you should have asked me about them or confirm if I mean it. I have joked about not just vsbw, but most of things which I can't post here. Since that's good for wiki.
 
Okay. I always make jokes on my threads and any change in standard that affects ben ten being a wank or manp, not just wiki but God knows on how many stuff, as i said, you can find them even here on wiki. On discord tho, you'll see me pushing, lying and sometimes Gaslighting my friends as being a wanker (in joke). Anyway, you should have posted all these stuff before as well, as I don't have time to deal with each stuff irregularly. If these screenshots gets you into thinking and were base of your accusations then you should have asked me about them or confirm if I mean it. I have joked about not just vsbw, but most of things which I can't post here. Since that's good for wiki.
You can joke around among your friends, but things that qualify as "jokes" don't actually apply to the wiki, right?


You're calling that "standard manipulations" and "wank" and other stuffs are joke, but you're done it for the wiki-wide standarts and opening upgrades immediately after, and likewise someone also opened upgrades with the DB...

No matter how much you say "joke", this cannot be a joke. (And yes, like I said, I have one more SS I don't offer)

But the fact that you have done and continue to do exactly what you wrote in the screenshots for the standards and upgrades on the wiki is the biggest indicator that these are not jokes.

For example, if you seriously harm someone, you can't say in any investigation that you were "joking", right? Because a joke is something that is not done seriously, but since you did what you said, it is not a joke anymore.

I don't want to keep repeating the same things, let the staff decide.
 
You can joke around among your friends, but things that qualify as "jokes" don't actually apply to the wiki, right?
.... why would that be the case? A vsbw guy won't joke about vsbw then whatelse.
For example, if you seriously harm someone, you can't say in any investigation that you were "joking", right? Because a joke is something that is not done seriously, but since you did what you said, it is not a joke.
What I did again. As i said continuously. I made the standard clear where different direction should has been default for two different time axises. That's the case and before it, PPL were used to think it's not the case and you'll have to "prove" perpendicularity, which was impossible, I've discussed it with my friends on discord as well on how it's misunderstanding as known to anyone, can you see now? I do knew and made it clear that standard that are right as per me being proposed.You hurt someone for real and then can't say you hurted as joke. I didn't hurted since I obviously proposed what was right as per me and should have been default and misunderstandings of others, hence me describing those changes as wank or standard manp is joke. Also that standard manp is mostly used as alternate of term "hax" like "spacetime hax" on wiki etc by me, so I don't know, I wank myself as character as well many times. Anyway leaving it to staff now. I am not into much explaining what my intentions were or what I do on off site, what i have said off site qualifies as joke or not, as I'm not interested.
 
.... why would that be the case? A vsbw guy won't joke about vsbw then whatelse.
He can do it, but he cannot seriously put it on the wiki, that would be a crime.
What I did again. As i said continuously. I made the standard clear where different direction should has been default for two different time axises. That's the case and before it, PPL were used to think it's not the case and you'll have to "prove" perpendicularity, which was impossible, I've discussed it with my friends on discord as well on how it's misunderstanding as known to anyone, can you see now? I do knew and made it clear that standard that are right as per me being proposed.You hurt someone for real and then can't say you hurted as joke. I didn't hurted since I obviously proposed what was right as per me and should have been default and misunderstandings of others, hence me describing those changes as wank or standard manp is joke. Also that standard manp is mostly used as alternate of term "hax" like "spacetime hax" on wiki etc by me, so I don't know, I wank myself as character as well many times. Anyway leaving it to staff now. I am not into much explaining what my intentions were or what I do on off site, what i have said off site qualifies as joke or not, as I'm not interested.
This DB thread was based on the standard you made, and this thread says the opposite of what you said here now

And this is something that should never have been assumed and should never have been removed for the DT(And DT stated that in you thread), but you have removed it.


The DB thread and the Ben10 thread are based on this logic, and they are exactly what you characterized as "jokes", and you did them all, even though you called them "jokes".

And yes, the "staff and standards manipulations" you mentioned off-site and for your own benefit are no longer a joke since you did them in a way that affected the whole wiki and opened exactly the upgrades you mentioned, affecting the wiki and standards (for your own benefit)
This structure can then be generalized to any number of dimensions, which is why destroying a spacetime continuum is a greater feat than destroying only the contents of the physical universe (Low 2-C, rather than 3-A or High 3-A). For example, a higher spacetime continuum with two temporal dimensions (instead of just one) comprises a higher temporal axis that spans regular temporal dimensions that the entirety of 4-dimensional spacetimes, or equivalents to it are serviced by (This is similar to how the time dimension in a 4-dimensional spacetime continuum spans uncountably infinite 3-dimensional snapshots of the universe), qualifying it for Low 1-C. Unless fiction shows otherwise, a different multiversal temporal dimension spanning universes that themselves have their own time dimensions as well (not the same multiversal time dimension that services many Universes and is shared by them), or even a single universe with two active temporal dimensions, qualifies. The same applies to three or more temporal dimensions.
Here are the standards that you have made and we clearly see that this requirement has been removed.
 
He can do it, but he cannot seriously put it on the wiki, that would be a crime.

This DB thread was based on the standard you made, and this thread says the opposite of what you said here now

And this is something that should never have been assumed and should never have been removed for the DT(And DT stated that in you thread), but you have removed it.


The DB thread and the Ben10 thread are based on this logic, and they are exactly what you characterized as "jokes", and you did them all, even though you called them "jokes".

And yes, the "staff and standards manipulations" you mentioned off-site and for your own benefit are no longer a joke since you did them in a way that affected the whole wiki and opened exactly the upgrades you mentioned, affecting the wiki and standards (for your own benefit)

Here are the standards that you have made and we clearly see that this requirement has been removed.
Agree to disagree, my previous post should be enough. Leaving it to staff now.
 
"Hello, Antvasima.

I wanted to talk to you about this report from DDM.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/rule-violation-reports-new-forum.107529/post-6167309

I was the one who submitted the anonymous report, and I can guarantee you that it's ZaStando's sockpuppets. He's gotten better at creating them and hiding them from association, but ALWAYS links to his stuff through these accounts and has even linked directly to Google Docs created by Might of Geburah (Also ZaStando). And I'm certain that he'll talk his way out if a ban, which is why I decided to reach out.

I've been very cautious to mistakenly ban one person, let alone two (its been several months since these accounts have been on the wiki). But the accidental duplicate post they sent at the same time linked in DDM's post cemented it.

Unfortunately, ThatBusyDude and HenshinIntervention are trying their hardest to prove it isn't ZaStando under the guise that they make fun of him.

https://vsbattles.com/threads/rule-violation-reports-new-forum.107529/post-6168889

However, this is simply by the fact that ZaStando mocks himself so he doesn't draw any attention and can use a fake identity.

I'm beginning to worry my concerns won't lead to the necessary ban, all because I want to remain anonymous to avoid off-site harassment.

As a person who shares one of the same verses with him for a long time, I am confident I know who they are better than Garrixian (who has never dealt with ZaStando, ever)."

I still trust the judgement of this member. We simply seem to be dealing with an extremely false, dishonest, and manipulative individual.
While I don't have the hardest sense of judgement to affirm they're socks. And admittedly, ZaStando might have often times taken advice over things I mentioned. I am the one who brought up RedEye and BlitzSevenTeen having the same Email Address as ZaStandoBoi which in turn led to what was likely logging into those other accounts to change the linked Email addresses to avoid further suspicion. So I think the anonymous user in question is correct that ZaStando took advantage over the numerous reasons for why we concluded them being socks of each other. And yeah, it's common for trolls to look up the list of reasons for sock detection and end up looking for tactics to avoid suspicion.

Maverick is also someone who may have experienced or close friends to various users who interacted with ZaStando, so I also trust her sense of judgement on users being ZaStando socks. So I am also leaning towards agreeing with the anonymous reporter + several others who vouched.
 
Also that standard manp is mostly used as alternate of term "hax" like "spacetime hax" on wiki etc by me, so I don't know, I wank myself as character as well many times.
Uh well, sorry for another reply, not realy smth to add but just this, it's a thing from way before, when bigger than 2-A thread was made by me to be removed or clarified if qualifies or not, which we know that don't qualify anymore specifically because of my thread. But as I made the standard thread to get to know if ben ten qualifies or not. It's adds a standard manp. So yeah. So it's just a joke thing. To joke is to exaggerate whatever I'm doin, upgrade = wank, to remove, to kick, to beat or to tell someone to f*uk off = to r*pe or smth along a long the line. So that's all about it. I don't really like to bring my discord cringe here on wiki, also that discussing discord activities also feels cringe to me. since wiki is another me and discord is another me but whatever.
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Uh well, sorry for another reply, not realy smth to add but just this, it's a thing from way before, when bigger than 2-A thread was made by me to be removed or clarified if qualifies or not, which we know that don't qualify anymore specifically because of my thread. But as I made the standard thread to get to know if ben ten qualifies or not. It's adds a standard manp. So yeah. So it's just a joke thing.
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Calling them "jokes" doesn't really work since you're already adding things you call "jokes" to the wiki and manipulating the standards.

Note: Btw these are not "fake", that's why I have presented all the evidence with video(to make sure these are real.) And also this is another SS and similar to the secreenshots I have shared before with video. This screenshots and video evidence I have already provided and what has been done on the wiki are extremely compatible with each other!

Thank you.
 
This user has changed the stats of this page 3 times and been reverted 3 times.


He also ignored the comment I left on his message wall.
 
This user has changed the stats of this page 3 times and been reverted 3 times.


He also ignored the comment I left on his message wall.
Went ahead and blocked them for a month to stop them (open to adjusting the block length if necessary).
 
While I don't have the hardest sense of judgement to affirm they're socks. And admittedly, ZaStando might have often times taken advice over things I mentioned. I am the one who brought up RedEye and BlitzSevenTeen having the same Email Address as ZaStandoBoi which in turn led to what was likely logging into those other accounts to change the linked Email addresses to avoid further suspicion. So I think the anonymous user in question is correct that ZaStando took advantage over the numerous reasons for why we concluded them being socks of each other. And yeah, it's common for trolls to look up the list of reasons for sock detection and end up looking for tactics to avoid suspicion.

Maverick is also someone who may have experienced or close friends to various users who interacted with ZaStando, so I also trust her sense of judgement on users being ZaStando socks. So I am also leaning towards agreeing with the anonymous reporter + several others who vouched.
I think that we should likely block them then.

@Maverick_Zero_X

Can you help with evaluating this please?
 
I believe it is most prudent to entirely dismiss this case, considering that the OP has retracted their report. I genuinely see no substantial reason to prolong this matter and inundate RvR with it. Regardless of whether Reiner made a jest about altering standards, DT has explicitly stated that there is no malicious intent between both of them, and the situation appears to be more of a stonewalling scenario.

@Reiner There is truly no report against you, and you only appear to be implicated. Now, since the report has been withdrawn, you have no case.

@Georredannea15 Take a staff member's warning very seriously. If an administrator instructs you three times to drop a matter, it is mandatory to comply, irrespective of whether you believe you are right or wrong. Stonewalling in a discussion because you think you are correct is not an effective way to convey your message.

As previously discussed, consider this your final official warning on this matter.

You both are no longer allowed to comment here regarding this case unless a response is provided by another staff member. If you have any additional questions, please feel free to post them on my profile wall.
 
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Can my case being looked upon? I'm feeling like it extending more than it should, I don't really want to invest myself this much into it and making it complex to this extent or do this much mental gymnastics (it's been 4 or 5 days by now). I'm fine with any judgement given.
I have taken the time to read through your case, including the comments made by you, Georredannea15, and PrinceOfPein.

Looking over your recent temporal dimension CRT, I'm not convinced there was any malice on your part. Whether the standard change should have been passed in the first place is a concern - owing to it being intended as a clarification of existing standards, while actually changing the standards in a way that has affected discussions - but this is not the place to discuss that. One way or another, it's not against the rules to make a thread asking for a change of standards that may have implications for a verse you support.

I consider Georredannea's continued hostilities, in the light of several recent warnings for his behaviour, to be concerning. I would typically advocate for a temporary ban under such circumstances. However, I believe these hostilities - while still problematic - are ultimately a product of his frustrations with this current situation, and that he should be capable of better conduct management in the future. I believe a temporary ban would do less for addressing this misconduct than simply a strong, instructional warning would, so that is what I intend to advocate for.

PrinceOfPein's conduct is not particularly noteworthy in the first place. The 'kindergarten physics' comment could be construed as rude, and I wouldn't support making such comments - however, I don't believe that it was his intention to demean the other person. No action should be needed here.

I will wait for input from other staff members before taking action. However, if there are no contentions, I intend to leave Georredannea a warning regarding this matter on his message wall. I believe that is all that will be needed.
 
I will wait for input from other staff members before taking action. However, if there are no contentions, I intend to leave Georredannea a warning regarding this matter on his message wall. I believe that is all that will be needed.
@Qawsedf234, @Planck69, @Antvasima (who were present in those discussions), and I are in agreement that the appropriate maximum punishment for this would be an official warning rather than a temporary ban.

If you wish, you can add this to him on his message wall and record it in the warning tracker. Alternatively, I can handle it myself if you are currently occupied.

Unless you prefer to wait for additional staff approval, I don't mind.
 
@Qawsedf234, @Planck69, @Antvasima (who were present in those discussions), and I are in agreement that the appropriate maximum punishment for this would be an official warning rather than a temporary ban.

If you wish, you can add this to him on his message wall and record it in the warning tracker. Alternatively, I can handle it myself if you are currently occupied.

Unless you prefer to wait for additional staff approval, I don't mind.
I would rather have clarification that they believe a warning would be the most appropriate action, not just the maximum appropriate action. Alternatively, input from other staff is also welcome.
 
I think that we should likely block them then.

@Maverick_Zero_X

Can you help with evaluating this please?
I've had a chance to observe ThatBusyDude in Sonic threads over the past few months by association of me creating the Sonic General Thread, and can say with certainty that ThatBusyDude has extreme similarities between the ideas he tries to present and pass here (along with the telltale formatting, which is often links pasted straight into messages). HenshinIntervention's double-posting with him is pretty damning evidence, and there are some very notorious cases of certain people pretending to be an entire group (not gonna name names). Just because they seem to nake fun of or mock ZaStando doesn't automatically mean they're innocent.

I've looked over the provided evidence and reasoning. I am also aware of the person who made the report. After a review of the circumstances, I fully trust their sense of judgement. I agree with a ban.
 
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