Shoto (MHA) vs Natsu (Fairy Tail)

[TheRustyOne]

Shoto's AP with his Ice and Phosphor possess 139 Gigatons of physical impact, so they'd still hurt Natsu even if he resist the cold. Ice stabbing into him would be bad, so he'd either have to quickly melt or avoid any of those kind of attacks.

Shoto is never going to want to engage Natsu in close combat, he'll always be trying to keep his distance by using his Ice and Phosphor.

Phosphor requires concentration on Shoto's part and he can quickly lose it if his focus drops. He accidently lost it against Dabi after nullifying his Jet Burn and launching one attack, but he was able to quickly get it back up.

 

[Zackra1799]

Shoto's AP with his Ice and Phosphor possess 139 Gigatons of physical impact, so they'd still hurt Natsu even if he resist the cold. Ice stabbing into him would be bad, so he'd either have to quickly melt or avoid any of those kind of attacks.

With Natsu's senses and info analysis, it wouldn't take him very long to anticipate Shoto's moves and dodge them accordingly. He's had quite the experience against ranged ice users since his main rival is one himself so nothing Shoto has would be new to Natsu except phosphor.

Shoto is never going to want to engage Natsu in close combat, he'll always be trying to keep his distance by using his Ice and Phosphor.

Assuming he'd be able to keep his distance is pretty generous as they basically have the same movement options except Natsu is far more maneuverable with his body than Shoto is. If Natsu is able to get a hold of Shoto there wouldn't be much he could do considering the disparity in LS and h2h skill here.

Phosphor requires concentration on Shoto's part and he can quickly lose it if his focus drops. He accidently lost it against Dabi after nullifying his Jet Burn and launching one attack, but he was able to quickly get it back up.

Losing concentration would be really bad against someone like Natsu who by that point could easily take advantage of that with his senses and skillset.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I mention the distance because Shoto can amp his own speed, which might let him keep his distance from Natsu. And has good enough AOE to make it so being up close might end up making it harder to dodge. Natsu has higher range but you're making it seem like he'll always try to get close?

Fair enough on his skill, however I personally think Information Analysis is incorrect and should be an intelligence feat with Analytical Prediction.

Are you saying Natsu will one shot Shoto?

I thought Shoto can take hits, and he has his own high amount of will power to withstand damage, even if you say it's not to the same extent as Natsu's.

Comes with the territory of being a Shonen Character I guess.

 

[Zackra1799]

I mention the distance because Shoto can amp his own speed, which might let him keep his distance from Natsu. And has good enough AOE to make it so being up close might end up making it harder to dodge. Natsu has higher range but you're making it seem like he'll always try to get close?

Fair enough I suppose but Natsu at this point scales to Erza in terms of skill who could keep up and contend with characters who can blitz her speed amps and range spamming isn't new for someone like natsu, the inverse is also true for todoroki since several of his class mates are close range fighters as well.

Fair enough on his skill, however I personally think Information Analysis is incorrect and should be an intelligence feat with Analytical Prediction.

To each their own I guess

Are you saying Natsu will one shot Shoto?

Of course not, I'm just saying natsu is pretty relentless and if he gets the opportunity to get a hold of todoroki he won't let up as natsu wouldn't want to have to chase him down again.

I thought Shoto can take hits, and he has his own high amount of will power to withstand damage, even if you say it's not to the same extent as Natsu's.

Fair enough

Comes with the territory of being a Shonen Character I guess.

shonen characters are like that

 

[TheRustyOne]

Bump.

 

[Danny33wise]

I don't know much on natsu except from what is in this debate. But, shouldn't shoto phosphor neg natsu fire? Even if phosphor doesn't fully nullify natsu it would still be pretty dangerous given that shoto ice has hyperthermia/ necrosis inducements.

If shoto where to continue hitting natsu with ice and phosphor, it would only be a matter of time before natsu get brains or other organs problems due to hyperthermia.

Another wincon for shoto might be him using phosphor freeze natsu from his mouth. Basically the chimera treatment, that way he is surely guaranteed to fully nullify natsu and give hyperthermia and necrosis disease.

Either way shoto seem like a dangerous opponents for someone like natsu.

 

[TheRustyOne]

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Natsu does have ice resistance. So he isn't going to be as effected like a normal person.

I don't know if Phosphor would negate Natsu's fire, but I'd say it should still cool it down by a lot.

Up close Natsu is going to be far better, so I don't think Shoto can do something like freezing his mouth.

 

[speedster352]

Natsu does have ice resistance. So he isn't going to be as effected like a normal person.

I don't know if Phosphor would negate Natsu's fire, but I'd say it should still cool it down by a lot.

Up close Natsu is going to be far better, so I don't think Shoto can do something like freezing his mouth.

What about heaven ice piercing wall that’s close range.

 

[TheRustyOne]

I'm not saying Shoto doesn't have any options to use if Natsu gets close.

Just that Natsu has a higher advantage overall with his superior combat skills.

Wide AOE attacks from up close is a good idea, as they'd be hard to dodge.

 

[Eseseso]

How about making it End of Tartaros Arc Natsu, but restricting Dragon Force?

 

[TheRustyOne]

How about making it End of Tartaros Arc Natsu, but restricting Dragon Force?

Natsu stomps, I can't restrict Dragon Force because it doesn't him bump him up to another tier. Versus Thread Rules.

"It is not fine to restrict abilities in a versus matchup, implicitly or expressly. Matches that are arranged this way should not be added to the character profiles, as they don't involve their full potential, and are only intended for casual entertainment.

• An exception would be if the restricted ability/technique has a separate tier from the main one, and is one the character can consciously restrict themselves from using. In this case, the match can be added."

I'd say Shoto is having a hard enough fight already, Natsu doesn't need a 4X AP and speed boost. I'm trying to keep this match up fair as I can.

 

[Danny33wise]

Natsu does have ice resistance. So he isn't going to be as effected like a normal person.

I don't know if Phosphor would negate Natsu's fire, but I'd say it should still cool it down by a lot.

Up close Natsu is going to be far better, so I don't think Shoto can do something like freezing his mouth.

Oh I do know about his resistance. After all dude been face to face with the stripper.

I do believe that phosphor should still neg natsu fire/heat but it wouldn't fully nullify him. For a full body nullification to happen, shoto would need to continously spam his phosphor at natsu until he get a chance to fully nullify via his mouth.

Up close natsu is definitely far better, but it not like he's gonna blitz the **** out shoto with his movements speed till shoto don't know what's happening. Shoto is very well capable of just freezing part of natsu body with phosphor.

And natsu should/ would realise his flame are getting weaker the more he takes any attacks from shoto.

Shoto using aegir in an explosive like manner without hitting natsu would still hinder natsu and give shoto a chance to boost his speed with ffhw and go for the incap.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Bump.

 

[ShadowGun45]

Natsu can also eat ice actually, he would just get a stomach ache later, but if it's ice and fire combined, I don't see why Natsu can't absorb it, Natsu absorbs any kind of flames

Natsu has already taken 7 different elements and has already absorbed Etherion which is composed of several magical elements. It is also worth mentioning that a Dragon slayer absorbing real elements and Natsu himself would have a great power boost temporarily.

 

[TheRustyOne]

What Natsu can do in the future has zero effect on this version of Natsu. Him eating seven elements also means nothing when none of them are ice.

If this Natsu has never been shown to eat ice, than he's not eating ice here.

You need to provide evidence/scans of this version of Natsu eating ice. As there is no such thing being mentioned on his profile.

We're discussing if Phosphor even counts as fire at all, since this is weird stuff that doesn't exist in reality.

 

[ShadowGun45]

What Natsu can do in the future has zero effect on this version of Natsu. Him eating seven elements also means nothing when none of them are ice.

If this Natsu has never been shown to eat ice, than he's not eating ice here.

You need to provide evidence/scans of this version of Natsu eating ice. As there is no such thing being mentioned on his profile.

We're discussing if Phosphor even counts as fire at all, since this is weird stuff that doesn't exist in reality.

obviously it has an effect, a Dragon slayer can eat another element and the side effect has always been to be weakened later on. Natsu absorbing Etherion which are several different elements is also proof that Natsu has always managed.

 

[speedster352]

obviously it has an effect, a Dragon slayer can eat another element and the side effect has always been to be weakened later on. Natsu absorbing Etherion which are several different elements is also proof that Natsu has always managed.

In a different key it doesn't apply here

 

[AnonymousBlank]

In a different key it doesn't apply here

Bruh … base Natsu ate Etherion over a year prior to the one in this key. He also ate Laxus lightning in that time, fire he couldn’t eat and most recently literal darkness that makes him sick before even eating it. This isn’t something you can hand wave away as “a different key” when it’s just base Natsu. Sting eats shadows, Rogue eats white, Gajeel eats shadows, carbon, anti magic etc. Dragon Slayers just eat whatever tf they feel like lol so Natsu won’t be having issues eating Phosphor (ignoring that BFDM just absorbs it anyway) which has a much higher fire content than Etherion did.

 

[Eseseso]

Bruh … base Natsu ate Etherion over a year prior to the one in this key. He also ate Laxus lightning in that time, fire he couldn’t eat and most recently literal darkness that makes him sick before even eating it. This isn’t something you can hand wave away as “a different key” when it’s just base Natsu. Sting eats shadows, Rogue eats white, Gajeel eats shadows, carbon, anti magic etc. Dragon Slayers just eat whatever tf they feel like lol so Natsu won’t be having issues eating Phosphor (ignoring that BFDM just absorbs it anyway) which has a much higher fire content than Etherion did.

Facts.

 

[TheRustyOne]

If Natsu can absorb Phosphor than this fight is a stomp.

Is this true?

 

[Arkenis]

Natsu FRA

 

[Danny33wise]

Bruh … base Natsu ate Etherion over a year prior to the one in this key. He also ate Laxus lightning in that time, fire he couldn’t eat and most recently literal darkness that makes him sick before even eating it. This isn’t something you can hand wave away as “a different key” when it’s just base Natsu. Sting eats shadows, Rogue eats white, Gajeel eats shadows, carbon, anti magic etc. Dragon Slayers just eat whatever tf they feel like lol so Natsu won’t be having issues eating Phosphor (ignoring that BFDM just absorbs it anyway) which has a much higher fire content than Etherion did.

Have natsu ever ate anything that would nullify him? Even if natsu start eating Phosphor, wouldn't just that be an easier way for shoto to easily win.

Voting shoto here.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Have natsu ever ate anything that would nullify him? Even if natsu start eating Phosphor, wouldn't just that be an easier way for shoto to easily win.

Voting shoto here.

Atlas Flame’s Hellfire which burns and negates magic, and also resists being absorbed.

Dragon Slayers eating elements, even if not the same type as their own, will negate the effects of said elements. Natsu doesn’t get his magic burned away by Atlas Flame’s Hellfire, isn’t electrocuted by Laxus’ lightning, doesn’t get a fever from Eclipse Leo’s Dark Regulus, Gajeel is no longer poisoned by Torafuzar’s curse water, doesn’t have his magic destroyed or get poisoned by Bloodman’s Magic Barrier Particles, Sting and Gajeel both don’t get corroded by Rogue’s shadows.

Eating Phosphor would just give him some Phosphor Dragon Mode, not make it easier for Shoto. While normally out of character for Natsu, this key is in the mindset of eating elements that aren’t even his own if it causes him problems … Phosphor containing fire only makes it even more likely.

 

[Eseseso]

I mean he literally ate Jackal's explosions.

 

[SeijiSetto]

as a wiser man than i once said:

natsu slams

due to half of shoto's method of attack being nullified (because it fire, lole) and also him apparently being able to eat phosphor, the difference in AP is negligible and he fights better apparently

 

[TheRustyOne]

Eating Phosphor would just give him some Phosphor Dragon Mode

I'd actually want to see that, it sounds like it'd be awesome.

If we agree that Phosphor can be eat like normal fire, is this fight a stomp due to Natsu having high resistance to everything Shoto has and nullifying two out of his three methods of attacks? This is excluding all of his other advantages.

 

[Danny33wise]

Atlas Flame’s Hellfire which burns and negates magic, and also resists being absorbed.

Dragon Slayers eating elements, even if not the same type as their own, will negate the effects of said elements. Natsu doesn’t get his magic burned away by Atlas Flame’s Hellfire, isn’t electrocuted by Laxus’ lightning, doesn’t get a fever from Eclipse Leo’s Dark Regulus, Gajeel is no longer poisoned by Torafuzar’s curse water, doesn’t have his magic destroyed or get poisoned by Bloodman’s Magic Barrier Particles, Sting and Gajeel both don’t get corroded by Rogue’s shadows.

Eating Phosphor would just give him some Phosphor Dragon Mode, not make it easier for Shoto. While normally out of character for Natsu, this key is in the mindset of eating elements that aren’t even his own if it causes him problems … Phosphor containing fire only makes it even more likely.

Phosphor is neither hot nor cold, but it can be be hot and cold If shoto wanted it that way. The problem I have with your debunk is calling Phosphor an element. Phosphor is not an element, we don't know what Phosphor is except for the fact that it can null and shoto can make it both hot and cold if he wanted to.

So we basically are going nowhere with this assumption that natsu is gonna eat shoto phosphor when I fail to see any good logic behind this assumption. We basically have limited knowledge currently on what phosphor, and we are likely to get more knowledge once shoto becomes active again.

I don't see natsu eating Phosphor and nullifying it when phosphor main property is to null a certain element (fire). If natsu should eventually decide to start eating phosphor, the he is only granting shoto and higher % rate at winning this.

And your atlas flame example doesn't work out here because it and phosphor uses different method of nullification.

Natsu doesn’t have any counter to shoto giving him hyperthermia/necrosis disease. Because even if phosphor doesn't fully nullify natsu it is still gonna drastically reduce it and if shoto where to continously spam this, it only a matter of time before natsu flame quenches and shoto having the superior AP here could give him a beat down and win via internal freezing nullification + necrosis and hyperthermia effect.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Phosphor is neither hot nor cold, but it can be be hot and cold If shoto wanted it that way. The problem I have with your debunk is calling Phosphor an element. Phosphor is not an element, we don't know what Phosphor is except for the fact that it can null and shoto can make it both hot and cold if he wanted to.

So you have no actual argument? It’s made of two elements, sounds like an element. This also ignores how I already pointed out Dragon Slayers eating anti-magic. That sure ain’t an element but they can still do it.

So we basically are going nowhere with this assumption that natsu is gonna eat shoto phosphor when I fail to see any good logic behind this assumption. We basically have limited knowledge currently on what phosphor, and we are likely to get more knowledge once shoto becomes active again.

Agreed we going nowhere. Keep struggling to support Shoto.

I don't see natsu eating Phosphor and nullifying it when phosphor main property is to null a certain element (fire). If natsu should eventually decide to start eating phosphor, the he is only granting shoto and higher % rate at winning this.

You literally haven’t provided anything new in this post that hasn’t already been said and countered in this thread, just rehashing your opinion in more words. Natsu also doesn’t use fire to eat anything so I don’t even know why the bolded is there. It’s just words that don’t have any bearing on this point.

And your atlas flame example doesn't work out here because it and phosphor uses different method of nullification.

By all means then, please, explain how Phosphor nulls things when you yourself are saying you don’t know what it is.

Natsu doesn’t have any counter to shoto giving him hyperthermia/necrosis disease.

Do you mean hypothermia? Hyperthermia is a really high body temp … which Natsu is already at. As for hypothermia, Natsu doesn’t bat an eye when buried in snow so cold his hilariously above lightning temperature flames can’t even melt it in the slightest.

Because even if phosphor doesn't fully nullify natsu it is still gonna drastically reduce it and if shoto where to continously spam this, it only a matter of time before natsu flame quenches and shoto having the superior AP

It won’t quench anything when Natsu’s flames > anything Shoto has nulled. Half of it is also darkness magic that absorbs anything that gives off light coughPhosphorcough.

here could give him a beat down and win via internal freezing nullification + necrosis and hyperthermia effect.

Shoto isn’t giving any version of Natsu a beat down lol. Natsu, even with a stat disadvantage, would mop the floor with Shoto’s face in a scrap. But do keep ignoring how I’ve already explained that side effects of what Dragon Slayers eat doesn’t affect them. Not that it’s even needed when necrosis is the death of body tissue … Natsu’s scarf blocks Zeref’s death manip which, what do you know, kills everything and causes necrosis while it’s at it.

To sum up, Phosphor can be eaten by Natsu or absorbed by BFDM, won’t null Natsu’s flames, isn’t cold enough to affect Natsu’s body, Igneel’s scarf already provides resistance to necrosis, Shoto’s fire and ice are less than relevant here and Natsu bops in cqc. Shoto’s only advantages here are range/AOE and that Natsu has a few minutes in this form.

 

[speedster352]

So you have no actual argument? It’s made of two elements, sounds like an element. This also ignores how I already pointed out Dragon Slayers eating anti-magic. That sure ain’t an element but they can still do it.

Agreed we going nowhere. Keep struggling to support Shoto.

You literally haven’t provided anything new in this post that hasn’t already been said and countered in this thread, just rehashing your opinion in more words. Natsu also doesn’t use fire to eat anything so I don’t even know why the bolded is there. It’s just words that don’t have any bearing on this point.

By all means then, please, explain how Phosphor nulls things when you yourself are saying you don’t know what it is.

Do you mean hypothermia? Hyperthermia is a really high body temp … which Natsu is already at. As for hypothermia, Natsu doesn’t bat an eye when buried in snow so cold his hilariously above lightning temperature flames can’t even melt it in the slightest.

It won’t quench anything when Natsu’s flames > anything Shoto has nulled. Half of it is also darkness magic that absorbs anything that gives off light coughPhosphorcough.

Shoto isn’t giving any version of Natsu a beat down lol. Natsu, even with a stat disadvantage, would mop the floor with Shoto’s face in a scrap. But do keep ignoring how I’ve already explained that side effects of what Dragon Slayers eat doesn’t affect them. Not that it’s even needed when necrosis is the death of body tissue … Natsu’s scarf blocks Zeref’s death manip which, what do you know, kills everything and causes necrosis while it’s at it.

To sum up, Phosphor can be eaten by Natsu or absorbed by BFDM, won’t null Natsu’s flames, isn’t cold enough to affect Natsu’s body, Igneel’s scarf already provides resistance to necrosis, Shoto’s fire and ice are less than relevant here and Natsu bops in cqc. Shoto’s only advantages here are range/AOE and that Natsu has a few minutes in this form.

Necrosis is caused by low temperatures Zeref doesn’t manipulate cold temperatures.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Necrosis is caused by low temperatures Zeref doesn’t manipulate cold temperatures.

This necrosis may be caused by low temperatures but that isn’t what necrosis is, and yes Zeref does lol. Either way, Natsu resists both

 

[speedster352]

This necrosis may be caused by low temperatures but that isn’t what necrosis is, and yes Zeref does lol. Either way, Natsu resists both

Some scans please? I don’t recall zeref using ice or cold temperatures so I can’t really take your word for it.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

Some scans please? I don’t recall zeref using ice or cold temperatures so I can’t really take your word for it.

I never said Zeref uses ice or cold temperatures, just that he can. Keep up fam.

 

[speedster352]

I never said Zeref uses ice or cold temperatures, just that he can. Keep up fam.

He is just causing death via supernatural means it’s not the same as real necrosis which is caused by cold temperatures.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

He is just causing death via supernatural means it’s not the same as real necrosis which is caused by cold temperatures.

Irl necrosis does not have to be caused by cold temperatures at all. Anything from radiation, chemicals, lack of blood flow to the afflicted area, injuries etc. Like, infection or bodily harm are the main causes for necrosis. Get outta here with necrosis is only caused by cold temps lmfao

 

[speedster352]

Irl necrosis does not have to be caused by cold temperatures at all. Anything from radiation, chemicals, lack of blood flow to the afflicted area, injuries etc. Like, infection or bodily harm are the main causes for necrosis. Get outta here with necrosis is only caused by cold temps lmfao

But this necrosis is different it is caused by the cold. Also, it seems that phophor isn't an element.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

But this necrosis is different it is caused by the cold.

And as I’ve stated Natsu resists both necrosis and the cold.

Also, it seems that phophor isn't an element.

And you’re gonna have to bring evidence for this. It contains fire, and is made of fire and ice, two things that Natsu will have no problem eating.

 

[speedster352]

Phosphor is neither hot nor cold, but it can be be hot and cold If shoto wanted it that way. The problem I have with your debunk is calling Phosphor an element. Phosphor is not an element, we don't know what Phosphor is except for the fact that it can null and shoto can make it both hot and cold if he wanted to.

So we basically are going nowhere with this assumption that natsu is gonna eat shoto phosphor when I fail to see any good logic behind this assumption. We basically have limited knowledge currently on what phosphor, and we are likely to get more knowledge once shoto becomes active again.

I don't see natsu eating Phosphor and nullifying it when phosphor main property is to null a certain element (fire). If natsu should eventually decide to start eating phosphor, the he is only granting shoto and higher % rate at winning this.

And your atlas flame example doesn't work out here because it and phosphor uses different method of nullification.

Natsu doesn’t have any counter to shoto giving him hyperthermia/necrosis disease. Because even if phosphor doesn't fully nullify natsu it is still gonna drastically reduce it and if shoto where to continously spam this, it only a matter of time before natsu flame quenches and shoto having the superior AP here could give him a beat down and win via internal freezing nullification + necrosis and hyperthermia effect.

And as I’ve stated Natsu resists both necrosis and the cold.

And you’re gonna have to bring evidence for this. It contains fire, and is made of fire and ice, two things that Natsu will have no problem eating.

Also, what's Natsu cold resistance level because grey still seems to counter him just fine.

 

[SeijiSetto]

Also, what's Natsu cold resistance level because grey still seems to counter him just fine.

Earlier it was said Natsu can apparently resist being covered head-to-toe in snow - specifically, snow that is too cold for his >>>>lightning temp fire to melt.

 

[Danny33wise]

So you have no actual argument? It’s made of two elements, sounds like an element. This also ignores how I already pointed out Dragon Slayers eating anti-magic. That sure ain’t an element but they can still do it.

Agreed we going nowhere. Keep struggling to support Shoto.

You literally haven’t provided anything new in this post that hasn’t already been said and countered in this thread, just rehashing your opinion in more words. Natsu also doesn’t use fire to eat anything so I don’t even know why the bolded is there. It’s just words that don’t have any bearing on this point.

By all means then, please, explain how Phosphor nulls things when you yourself are saying you don’t know what it is.

Do you mean hypothermia? Hyperthermia is a really high body temp … which Natsu is already at. As for hypothermia, Natsu doesn’t bat an eye when buried in snow so cold his hilariously above lightning temperature flames can’t even melt it in the slightest.

It won’t quench anything when Natsu’s flames > anything Shoto has nulled. Half of it is also darkness magic that absorbs anything that gives off light coughPhosphorcough.

Shoto isn’t giving any version of Natsu a beat down lol. Natsu, even with a stat disadvantage, would mop the floor with Shoto’s face in a scrap. But do keep ignoring how I’ve already explained that side effects of what Dragon Slayers eat doesn’t affect them. Not that it’s even needed when necrosis is the death of body tissue … Natsu’s scarf blocks Zeref’s death manip which, what do you know, kills everything and causes necrosis while it’s at it.

To sum up, Phosphor can be eaten by Natsu or absorbed by BFDM, won’t null Natsu’s flames, isn’t cold enough to affect Natsu’s body, Igneel’s scarf already provides resistance to necrosis, Shoto’s fire and ice are less than relevant here and Natsu bops in cqc. Shoto’s only advantages here are range/AOE and that Natsu has a few minutes in this form.

I see you haven't debunked anything I said. Funny enough you accused me of spamming same shit over and over again when you keep on repeating what we've all seen (how ironic).

Do pray tell, what element would a mixture of fire and ice produce? I find your argument totally irrational as you are actively trying to force an assumed logic to look logical. I also fail to see how Dragon Slayers being able to eat anti - magic prove that natsu would be able to eat phosphor without getting nulled.

Am not struggling to debate shoto winning here lol. In fact I should be the one saying ft debators are struggling to provide any significant wincon for natsu and keep on changing their argument till they reach an unreasonable conclusion to natsu winning this.

I never said natsu uses flame to eat fire. Natsu is not gonna fighting shoto with just punces and kicks. He would obviously use his main element to fight shoto here. As for why I bracket fire in my last debunk, I was disproving this argument that you made:

(Dragon Slayers eating elements, even if not the same type as their own, will negate the effects of said elements.)

We don't know what phosphor is and I have told you this before. Like why would shoto fight dabi with just ice when he is gonna lose? At best shoto phosphor act as a phosphorus retardant that would eventually null you.

Phosphor is neither hot nor cold, it can null on it own, shoto is just capable of changing the temperature of it as we've seen. This is a very simple concept to grasp.

As for natsu being able to resist cold that even his lightning level fire couldn't melt. Well that argument doesn't work out here since there is not gonna be any lightning level flame and temperature to bale natsu out here since phosphor is gonna neg him while the hypothermia and necrosis effects do their work. Bos shoto was capable of freezing usj nomu hand and ripping it in less than a second or a second. Either way natsu would still be getting ****** by necrosis and hypothermia.

How would natsu mop the floor with shoto? Shoto necrosis lead to permanent, irreversible tissue damage and it doesn't help that staying the for less than a second could damage bones and other internal organs. Usj nomu is a perfect example of this. Shoto is not gonna kill natsu, but it is definitely in character for him to go for the incap and shoto necrosis haven't been shown to kill so he obviously doesn’t have death manipulation and likely never will.

To sum things up, shoto is still capable of drastically harming natsu with his necrosis and hypothermia + his nullification. It also doesn't help here because shoto attack has the elements of surprise. He can decide to use fire, ice or just phosphor.

Either ways, their have not been a single debate here on how natsu is gonna win this and ft debators keep looking for a way to counter phosphor knowing how much of a threat it is and you guys best way is to make an argument on phosphor being an element. How boring.

 

[SeijiSetto]

As for natsu being able to resist cold that even his lightning level fire couldn't melt. Well that argument doesn't work out here since there is not gonna be any lightning level flame and temperature to bale natsu out here

I think you completely misunderstood the point.

The point was:
Natsu's flame is way hotter than lightning.
Natsu's flame couldn't melt the snow, making the snow EXTREMELY cold.
Natsu survived being dunked in said snow.
Something that cold, due to how thermodynamics works, would drain him of all his heat nigh-instantly because of the difference in temperature.
It did not, therefore any of Shoto's ice attacks shouldn't work at all as they have no reason to scale beyond the coldness of said snow.