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MCU: possible correction or upgrade to Tier 1 (?)

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On the other hand, an P(ℵ0) number of universes is Low 1-C.
P(ℵ0)is uncountable Infinite.
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This is an interesting topic to me, since I have been thinking for a bit about the possibility of the MCU cosmology being Low 1-C even without the Real World.
RoTt35 made a good summary of the cosmology. Basically, there is an infinite amount of Timelines indipendent from each other, each having infinite realities inside themself. This means that a single Timeline, which would be a 2-A structure, would be infinitesimal compared to the totality of all the Timelines in the cosmology. There is also the fact that each Timeline (again, 2-A structures) branches out to create other infinite realities, extending even further the total number of Timelines.
This is without even talking about the realm of He Who Remains (I don't remember the name of that place, unfortunately) where the Sacred Timeline was seen as just a circle of energy compared to the total size of that place, and when the Sacred Timeline split into infinite new branches said branches expands into that realm infinitely, basically confirming that the space in which they were in was infinite too.
Honestly I personally agree that the Cosmology should be Low 1-C based on the fact that single Timelines (2-A structures) are infinitesimal to the totality of the Cosmology for the simple fact that an infinite*infinite amount of Timelines exists. But I will let other decide based on the informations that are available until now.
 
ThanatosX said:
This is without even talking about the realm of He Who Remains (I don't remember the name of that place, unfortunately) where the Sacred Timeline was seen as just a circle of energy compared to the total size of that place
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Here is the scene, and an article states this:
Loki and Sylvie trek across the treacherous asteroid and approach the Citadel. The timeline pulsates as a physical reality, a tangible force, around the asteroid. The two make their way to a grand door standing between them and the End of Time.
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Anyway, as for the scans available and it has been accepted even if WOG if present on the page (I assume), regarding every singular moment in timeline branches off in its own Infinite realities, then I agree with L1-C.
 
A bit weird, I once mentioned an example like this in the standards of tier 2 by Pain, but I forget the response to it.
 
ImmortalDread said:
A bit weird, I once mentioned an example like this in the standards of tier 2 by Pain, but I forget the response to it.
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Well, the standards as for now is bit clear on this part unless changed.
 
Reiner said:
Anyway, as for the scans available and it has been accepted even if WOG if present on the page (I assume), regarding every singular moment in timeline branches off in its own Infinite realities, then I agree with L1-C.
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I think that an additional topic should be opened with characters that can be completed and scaled quickly after a few staff's comments and votes, but I think you will not open this topic individually since you do not have a specific follow-up for mcu, maybe i'm wrong
 
Yusuf21259 said:
I think that an additional topic should be opened with characters that can be completed and scaled quickly after a few staff's comments and votes, but I think you will not open this topic individually since you do not have a specific follow-up for mcu, maybe i'm wrong
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Yeah, someone else have to do that.
 
Yeah I agree with the cosmology itself being Low 1-C. But considering how blatantly important lore wise it is that the Multiverse is so unreachable until a certain point, I don't think anyone else scales to it. At least based on what I currently know watching up to MoM.
 
Well, all those who scales to multiverse currently, should scale, kevin specifically, I assume will get 6D.
 
The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Hm. Well Ultron scales to affecting the realities (baseline 2-As), not the entirety of Creation.
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Ultron is currently above baseline 2-A as he scales from Alioth who ended the Multiversal War between countless timelines, and as I explained here each timeline has infinite branches which expand indefinitely, and each branch has infinite universes, with endless possibilities where a single choice or singular moment can branch out into infinite realities and possibilities, with infinite instances of time always occurring at once. And Ultron was stated to be a threat to all the universes within the Multiverse, with its boundaries being irrelevant to him and being able to travel outside of it, this is better explained here
 
The total cosmology being Low 1-C can make sense in terms of a space containing different 2-A spaces, but the individual timelines will only ever be 2-A.

The only person this would change is KEVIN who would become 6th dimensional rather than 5th. It doesn't scale to anyone else.
 
Oh wait so if Uncountably Infinite Timelines is no longer a requirement for Low 1-C, what would it be then ?
Qawsedf234 said:
The total cosmology being Low 1-C can make sense in terms of a space containing different 2-A spaces, but the individual timelines will only ever be 2-A.

The only person this would change is KEVIN who would become 6th dimensional rather than 5th. It doesn't scale to anyone else.
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The_2nd_Existential_Seed said:
Oh wait so if Uncountably Infinite Timelines is no longer a requirement for Low 1-C, what would it be then ?
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The Timelines are 2-A because they contain unique parallel dimensions (Dormammu for example canonically makes no sense unless he's in every timeline as a different thing). None of them are connected to each other once the branching happens. It's why Wong and the other Sorcerers are utterly shocked that America can war between universes and why the Watcher is completely stumped when Infinity Ultron crosses the barrier between timelines.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The Timelines are 2-A because they contain unique parallel dimensions (Dormammu for example canonically makes no sense unless he's in every timeline as a different thing). None of them are connected to each other once the branching happens. It's why Wong and the other Sorcerers are utterly shocked that America can war between universes and why the Watcher is completely stumped when Infinity Ultron crosses the barrier between timelines.
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and the writers having no idea what they are doing

but yeh, Qawsedf making sense.
 
 
RoTt35 said:
Could Infinity Ultron scale to Low 1-C just as a possibly based on this?
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No. To be Low 1-C you would need to prove he can effect the entire structure at once. He is only ever shown effecting individual timelines or multiverse segments.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
No. To be Low 1-C you would need to prove he can effect the entire structure at once. He is only ever shown effecting individual timelines or multiverse segments.
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If that's the case then yeah, he wouldn't scale.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
No. To be Low 1-C you would need to prove he can effect the entire structure at once. He is only ever shown effecting individual timelines or multiverse segments.
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I mean, I don't see how a 2-A being can be a threat to everything within a Low 1-C structure. Could his range with portals, TP and warping at least be upgraded to Low 1-C based on the statement that the boundaries of the Multiverse are irrelevant to him and the fact that he can travel through timelines and outside of the Multiverse where the Watcher resides?
 
Anyway, I guess I'll apply the changes on cosmology page asper this. Unless someone affecting entire multiverse, he wouldn't scale to Low 1-C but that's not really my part.
 
Question to be sure, would this upgrade the whole structure of the Sacred Timeline with all of its infinite branches ad infinitum or just the Multiverse with an infinite amount of such timelines?
 
RoTt35 said:
Question to be sure, would this upgrade the whole structure of the Sacred Timeline with all of its infinite branches ad infinitum or just the Multiverse with an infinite amount of such timelines?
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Number of timelines as whole would be L1-C, I am not sure how to put it in MCU fashion. Basically, uncountable infinite numbers of timelines.
 
RoTt35 said:
I mean, I don't see how a 2-A being can be a threat to everything within a Low 1-C structure.
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Because he can generate infinite armies and freely attack every timeline at once from the Watcher's realm
RoTt35 said:
Could his range with portals, TP and warping at least be upgraded to Low 1-C based on the statement that the boundaries of the Multiverse are irrelevant to him and the fact that he can travel through timelines and outside of the Multiverse where the Watcher resides?
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To get Low 1-C he has to effect the entire multiversal space at once. He never does that. His range would still be 2-A.
 
Reiner said:
Number of timelines as whole would be L1-C, I am not sure how to put it in MCU fashion. Basically, uncountable infinite numbers of timelines.
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Yes, but that would be for all the timelines of the Multiverse or all the branches of the Sacred Timeline? Because the scans you used in the OP are about the Sacred Timeline and its branches
 
RoTt35 said:
Yes, but that would be for all the timelines of the Multiverse or all the branches of the Sacred Timeline? Because the scans you used in the OP are about the Sacred Timeline and its branches
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I mean, it's just covers the fact that number of branchings happening at every point in time, that would give the result same as there are number of points in timeline, uncountable, so number of branches will be uncountable.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
To get Low 1-C he has to effect the entire multiversal space at once. He never does that. His range would still be 2-A.
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He can travel to the Watcher's realm which exists outside of the Multiverse, being able to freely leave a Low 1-C structure with its boundaries being irrelevant doesn't give Low 1-C range?
 
Reiner said:
I mean, it's just covers the fact that number of branchings happening at every point in time, that would give the result same as there are number of points in timeline, uncountable, so number of branches will be uncountable.
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Yes, but that already happens in the Sacred Timeline, which is just a single timeline of an infinite amount which also have its own branches like the Sacred Timeline
 
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