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MCU: possible correction or upgrade to Tier 1 (?)

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Qawsedf234 said:
yes, this is true for the current system, a coordinate field containing 2a would be l1c, but the point here is that what reiner said is not valid for mcuCountless snapshots that will support l1c on the subject here are connected to only one plane, and this still makes it 2 because it will be in an infinite amount. It's not wrong what Reiner said, but Not valid for mcu
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if it's ok then just kewin low1c=6d twa low1c=5d and multiverse low1c=5d
It would not be a problem to apply without the need for a short and concise additional title, right Qawsedf
 
The_forgetten said:
yes actually kevin can be taken 5d for that but I still don't think it's a sufficient context for an endless branching from the cosmology link
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But I still think that reiner explained what he wanted to explain in a wrong way, not an endless branching, the thing was that actually it is necessary to have more area than the specified distance.Having it would mean that it could actually contain an infinite amount of space, which is a subset of space, in a higher-dimensional space, even if it is lower-dimensional, with its aggregation state it is still fundamental space. It would have been higher dimensional then it would have been a subset of space that would have been created with a timeline containing only uncountable infinite snapshots of spatial dimensions being 4d. As it will depend on 4d as valid for subspace, it can also be 5d thanks to the branching that will occur by including the instantaneous appearance of all space and time. I agree
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Having infinite multiverses is just 2-A. The space that contains infinite multiverses would be Low 1-C.
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I personally don't agree and I already explained why, but to each their own.
Just to be clear, what do you agree is Low 1-C in here? Because the entire argument for the 5-D is the sheer size of the cosmology rather than a space continuing said Timelines, from what I am understanding. Unless you are saying that it's the Citadel at the End of Time that should be 5-D?
 
To be more precise, the arguement here is that number of timelines is uncountable infinite due to branching off from each instances/moments in Timeline that are uncountable infinite as per our default standard. It is different from the standard of countable Infinite amount of multiverse a or universes.
 
Reiner said:
To be more precise, the arguement here is that number of timelines is uncountable infinite due to branching off from each instances/moments in Timeline that are uncountable infinite as per our default standard. It is different from the standard of countable Infinite amount of multiverse a or universes.
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Yeah, that's the argument I was trying to make but I suppose that I wasn't clear enough. Anyways, the argument should be that there are an infinite amount of Timelines, each having infinite realities inside of themself and each expanding infinitely in every point in time, so the totality of the Timeline would be so big that it would trivialize the singular Timelines, or am I understanding this incorrectly?
 
The Multiverse contains an infinite amount of unique timelines, each timeline has an infinite number of branches which expand indefinitely, each branch has an infinite number of universes, endless possibilities where a single choice or singular moment can branch out into infinite realities and possibilities, with infinite instances of time always occurring at once

Another support is that here the Watcher states that every passing moment is a possibility for a new branching
 
ThanatosX said:
Yeah, that's the argument I was trying to make but I suppose that I wasn't clear enough. Anyways, the argument should be that there are an infinite amount of Timelines, each having infinite realities inside of themself and each expanding infinitely in every point in time, so the totality of the Timeline would be so big that it would trivialize the singular Timelines, or am I understanding this incorrectly?
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No, that would end up being just 2-A being even Infinite*Infinite is just equals to Infinite, to be larger you have to be uncountable infinite, which MCU should be due to branching at each instances/moments in Timeline as there are uncountable infinite numbers of instances in the timeline/number line. This is what shows it sheer size.

Are higher-dimensional beings infinitely larger than lower-dimensional equivalents?

In a way, yes, though not how most would think when using this word. Basically, an arbitrary object of dimension n is essentially comprised by the total sum of uncountably infinite objects of one dimension less, which may be described as lower-dimensional "slices", each corresponding to one of the infinite points of a line. For instance, a square is made of infinitely many line segments (Lined up on the y-axis), a cube of infinitely many squares (Lined up on the z-axis), and so on.

One may think of it as a multiplication between sets: For instance, the unit square [0,1]² may be expressed as the product of two unit intervals [0,1] x [0,1], which itself can be visualized as taking "copies" of the first interval and lining them up along each point of the second interval, of which there are uncountably infinitely-many, thus forming a square out of infinite line segments.
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Reiner said:
No, that would end up being just 2-A being even Infinite*Infinite is just equals to Infinite, to be larger you have to be uncountable infinite, which MCU should be due to branching at each instances/moments in Timeline as there are uncountable infinite numbers of instances in the timeline/number line. This is what shows it sheer size.
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Although, over all results of this and what Qaws said will be same in the end due to our Standards that we default space in which timelines are present be affected when we destroy more than one timeline that is why L2C and other Tier 2 sub tiers differentiate mainly but, they should be able to affect all of timelines with sheer AP at once all with a range that covers them all (not a chain reaction such as destroying main Timeline resulting in destroying all).
 
Reiner said:
No, that would end up being just 2-A being even Infinite*Infinite is just equals to Infinite, to be larger you have to be uncountable infinite, which MCU should be due to branching at each instances/moments in Timeline as there are uncountable infinite numbers of instances in the timeline/number line. This is what shows it sheer size.
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I'm a bit confused, wasn't this what I said? Whatever, I am probably tired and I am writing something when I mean something else. It's better if I take a break and will let other talk at this point.
 
ThanatosX said:
I'm a bit confused, wasn't this what I said? Whatever, I am probably tired and I am writing something when I mean something else. It's better if I take a break and will let other talk at this point.
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Uh no, my bad, I missed the part where you said "at each point in time", you were right.
 
1)Simply put, there are an uncountable infinite number of points on this timeline, and each point goes into a multiverse(These are arguments). But the truth is, these are snapshots on a timeline. In other words, a multiverse with an image and possibility at every point. I don't think it will be suitable for Low1-C.

2)I have no idea where it is mentioned that there are uncountably infinite number of points in a timeline. If what you're talking about is like an uncountable infinite number of points on a 1D line, then this argument makes sense, but I still think that it should be stated in the verse. Other than that, I still think these points are like snapshots and possibilities.
 
Georredannea15 said:
1)Simply put, there are an uncountable infinite number of points on this timeline, and each point goes into a multiverse(These are arguments).
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Yeah that's why it's low 1-C multiverse.
Georredannea15 said:
But the truth is, these are snapshots on a timeline. In other words, a multiverse with an image and possibility at every point. I don't think it will be suitable for Low1-C.
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Georredannea15 said:
2)I have no idea where it is mentioned that there are uncountably infinite number of points in a timeline. If what you're talking about is like an uncountable infinite number of points on a 1D line, then this argument makes sense, but I still think that it should be stated in the verse. Other than that, I still think these points are like snapshots and possibilities.
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That's our default standard for each timeline, that is why Universe + it's spacetime scales higher than Infinite space or Infinite amount of 3D space, it's uncountable. The very Definition of High 3-A in our tiering system makes it clear and FAQ repeats it again.

High 3-A:
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High Universe level
Characters or objects that demonstrate an infinite amount of energy on a 3-D scale, such as creating or destroying infinite mass, or those who can affect an infinite 3-D space. This extends to an infinite number of finite or infinite-sized 3-D universes or pocket dimensions when not accounting for when not accounting for any higher dimensions or time. Large numbers of infinite 3-D universes, unless causally closed from one another by a separate spacetime or existence, only count for a higher level of this tier. Being “infinitely” stronger than this level, unless uncountably so, does not qualify for any higher tier.
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Are higher-dimensional beings infinitely larger than lower-dimensional equivalents?
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In a way, yes, though not how most would think when using this word. Basically, an arbitrary object of dimension n is essentially comprised by the total sum of uncountably infinite objects of one dimension less, which may be described as lower-dimensional "slices", each corresponding to one of the infinite points of a line. For instance, a square is made of infinitely many line segments (Lined up on the y-axis), a cube of infinitely many squares (Lined up on the z-axis), and so on.

One may think of it as a multiplication between sets: For instance, the unit square [0,1]² may be expressed as the product of two unit intervals [0,1] x [0,1], which itself can be visualized as taking "copies" of the first interval and lining them up along each point of the second interval, of which there are uncountably infinitely-many, thus forming a square out of infinite line segments.
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Georredannea15 said:
So you claim that there is a timeline with an uncountable infinite number of timelines and possibilities. Are these statements featured on the cosmology blog?
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Read OP. It's already written in the cosmology page that's why arguement exist, that's why this thread is created.
 
Uhhh I think I noticed something. This timeline does not contain uncountable infinite timelines and possibilites. It only has infinite timelines and possbilities(This has been verified with WoG) So there is a timeline, and within that timeline there are infinite timelines and possibilities that branch off into infinity and contain a multiverse. It's not uncountably infinite and it's still 4D. So I disagree.

The logic is nice, but the statement here (on the cosmology blog) infinite timelines refutes uncountable infinite timelines and points. For these uncountable infinite points and timelines, your argument would be correct if the statement "infinite timelines" had not been specified. But with WoG, it has been stated that these are "infinite timelines". In short, it is not so infinite that it cannot be counted.
 
Georredannea15 said:
Uhhh I think I noticed something. This timeline does not contain uncountable infinite timelines and possibilites. It only has infinite timelines and possbilities. So there is a timeline, and within that timeline there are infinite timelines and possibilities that branch off into infinity and contain a multiverse. It's not uncountably infinite and it's still 4D. So I disagree.

The logic is nice, but the statement here (on the cosmology blog) infinite timelines refutes uncountable infinite timelines and points. For these uncountable infinite points and timelines, your argument would be correct if the statement "infinite timelines" had not been specified. But with WoG, it has been stated that these are "infinite timelines". In short, it is not so infinite that it cannot be counted.
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Sigh, Since when uncountable infinite has been different than Infinite? You don't have to specifically try to find a reason for why it shouldn't be Tier 1 but just read, understand and create QnA if you don't know smth.

Infinite is of 2 types:
  1. Countable infinite
  2. Uncountable infinite
There is no such thing as Infinite being contradiction to any of these types but these types to each other.
 
Reiner said:
Sigh, Since when uncountable infinite has been different than Infinite? You don't have to specifically try to find a reason for why it shouldn't be Tier 1 but just read, understand and create QnA if you don't know smth.
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In the rules it is clearly written that this infinity should not be "confused". Please don't complicate these "infinite" states. It works differently in each verse, based on "extra context and statements".
Reiner said:
Infinite is of 2 types:
  1. Countable infinite
  2. Uncountable infinite
There is no such thing as Infinite being contradiction to any of these types but these types to each other.
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No. WoG statements says there are literally endless timelines here. Without extra statements and supporst, you won't get this uncountable infinite. Every verses works differently. The fact that there are too many points to count on an infinite line does not mean that this rule applies to all fictional verses. In short, the statement is necessary, and the only statement we're given here is that there are endless timelines and possibilities, and it's all a multiverse. That'all and not more.
 
I will quote myself again: "The Multiverse contains an infinite amount of unique timelines, each timeline has an infinite number of branches which expand indefinitely, each branch has an infinite number of universes, endless possibilities where every passing/singular moment can branch out into infinite realities and possibilities, with infinite instances of time always occurring at once"
 
RoTt35 said:
I will quote myself again: "The Multiverse contains an infinite amount of unique timelines, each timeline has an infinite number of branches which expand indefinitely, each branch has an infinite number of universes, endless possibilities where every passing/singular moment can branch out into infinite realities and possibilities, with infinite instances of time always occurring at once"
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Like I said, it's still not uncountably infinite, and as I guessed, these infinite possibilities are just concurrent possibilities and snapshots. Also, how can an "infinitely expand" branch be infinite? These statements still 4D. I do not see a reference to uncountable infinity.
 
Georredannea15 said:
In the rules it is clearly written that this infinity should not be "confused". Please don't complicate these "infinite" states. It works differently in each verse, based on "extra context and statements".
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Which "context" basically denys that it's uncountable Infinite?

Georredannea15 said:
No. WoG statements says there are literally endless timelines here. Without extra statements and supporst, you won't get this uncountable infinite. Every verses works differently. The fact that there are too many points to count on an infinite line does not mean that this rule applies to all fictional verses. In short, the statement is necessary, and the only statement we're given here is that there are endless timelines and possibilities, and it's all a multiverse. That'all and not more.
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I mean, your reason for Disagree was it that it contradicts number of timelines being uncountable infinite, can I know which scan does that? It branching off at each point/moment in time means it's uncountable Infinite. Any mention of contradiction doesn't exist.
 
Georredannea15 said:
1)Simply put, there are an uncountable infinite number of points on this timeline, and each point goes into a multiverse(These are arguments). But the truth is, these are snapshots on a timeline. In other words, a multiverse with an image and possibility at every point. I don't think it will be suitable for Low1-C.
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None of the Multiverses are Low 1-C. What is Low 1-C is that the space containing those infinite multiverses have to be bigger. Which is why it only effects KEVIN's rating and no one elses.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
None of the Multiverses are Low 1-C. What is Low 1-C is that the space containing those infinite multiverses have to be bigger. Which is why it only effects KEVIN's rating and no one elses.
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I never said multiverses are Low1-C. I have no idea where you got this from? The fact that the statement in the verse is "endless timelines and points" refutes the uncountable infinite timelines and points.

Because the only "precise" statement you have are infinite timelines and points, not uncountable infinity. Also, as I guessed, infinite possibilities are all simultaneous probabilities... Without any additional statements here, I think it's just an "assumption" to say that it's uncountably infinite.

In short;

  • There is an infinite 2-A timeline.(Cosmology)
  • This timeline contains endless timelines and points that branch off into infinity.
  • Each timelines contains a multiverse within them.(I haven't seen on the blog each timeline include multiverse. The blog says only that these timelines contain simultaneous possibilities.)
  • And every multiverse contains infinite simultaneous possibilities.

I doubt these are sufficient for single Low 1-C, simply uncountable infinity.

There is only one point and timelines are formed from it.

And these timelines contain possibilities. And all possibilities are simultaneous.

This is a typical 2-A. I'm also skeptical that structures with more than one 2-A are Low1-C because that doesn't mean they're infinitely larger than 2-A.
 
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