Nasuverse Upgrade: High 1-A for Swirl of The Root

[Theoretical]

What explanation?

Read again I explained how levels of infinity works in non Euclidean geometry and how high 1-A root was entailed from those analogies as how the arithmetic operations used to construct those infinities work for anything up to 1-A+ hence the root being distinguished from infinities constructed from those arithmetic operations entails it being high 1-A similar to how the inaccessible cardinal is because you can't use the same arithmetic operations on lower cardinals to reach it, it should be high 1-A from that

The reason was more in detail but now I have to reiterate again because you just disagreed without justifications

 

[1Nairove]

sure, though theres pretty much no active nasuverse staff besides crimsonstarfallen, so idek how this would get approved

Actually, since the subject is a high tier like High 1-A, it would be better for one of the bureaucrats to come, but I think it would be better for a knowledgeable staff member to comment on tier 1 (especially High 1-A)

 

[ShivaShakti]

Read again I explained how levels of infinity works in non Euclidean geometry and how high 1-A root was entailed from those analogies as how the arithmetic operations used to construct those infinities work for anything up to 1-A+ hence the root being distinguished from infinities constructed from those arithmetic operations entails it being high 1-A similar to how the inaccessible cardinal is because you can't use the same arithmetic operations on lower cardinals to reach it, it should be high 1-A from that

The reason was more in detail but now I have to reiterate again because you just disagreed without justifications

Nothing really supports that, though. You're extrapolating all of this information from one mention of "Non-Euclidean".

 

[Tdjwo]

Nothing really supports that, though. You're extrapolating all of this information from one mention of "Non-Euclidean".

He is explaining what and how non-Euclidean Geometry works and its correlation with the root.

 

[Theoretical]

Nothing really supports that, though. You're extrapolating all of this information from one mention of "Non-Euclidean".

The space was said to be a non Euclidean space that's how infinity in a non Euclidean space works I extrapolated based off it being called a non Euclidean space hence it exemplifies properties of a non Euclidean space those properties are that which are already extrapolated on

Also the existence of the statement non Euclidean space doesn't matter the roots still distinguished from the infinity of reality nasuverse has r>f which is mathematically represented by similar arithmetic nonetheless but this still doesn't defeat the non Euclidean space statement

 

[Theoretical]

He is explaining what and how non-Euclidean Geometry works and its correlation with the root.

Yes because the existence of the space was posited it follows that it should have all of its properties similar to how tautology would say A if and only if A

 

[ShivaShakti]

The space was said to be a non Euclidean space that's how infinity in a non Euclidean space works I extrapolated based off it being called a non Euclidean space hence it exemplifies properties of a non Euclidean space those properties are that which are already extrapolated on

Also the existence of the statement non Euclidean space doesn't matter the roots still distinguished from the infinity of reality nasuverse has r>f which is mathematically represented by similar arithmetic nonetheless but this still doesn't defeat the non Euclidean space statement

Everything you are stating is frankly incomprehensible. I don't even know where you are extrapolating this interpretation of non-Euclidean space.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

Everything you are stating is frankly incomprehensible.

h1-a and 0 in a nutshell

 

[speedster352]

I agree with the op

 

[Theoretical]

Everything you are stating is frankly incomprehensible. I don't even know where you are extrapolating this interpretation of non-Euclidean space

I don't feel like writing another paragraph but you can just learn the notion of lines at infinity it's a part of hyperbolic geometry the same levels of infinity still work lol

Assuming that everything I'm stating is incomprehensible it should be easy for you to provide actual refutations rather than being skeptic like I said even r>f works and it exists in the nasuverse using the non Euclidean space is not a necessity but it's still not defeated so it still works either way

 

[ShivaShakti]

So because I found the scan frankly suspicious, I went and searched for the original statement. And I see there was context not elaborated upon here. She was fighting a character who had access to spatial magic, and was able to use it to trap and confine others by sealing them in a space of his making. And Ryougi Shiki is able to see its "end" using her mystic eyes, and is thus capable of cutting through it.

I don't think this "feat" is what you state it is.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

So because I found the scan frankly suspicious, I went and searched for the original statement. And I see there was context not elaborated upon here. She was fighting a character who had access to spatial magic, and was able to use it to trap and confine others by sealing them in a space of his making. And Ryougi Shiki is able to see its "end" using her mystic eyes, and is thus capable of cutting through it.

I really don't think this "feat" is what you state it is.

So it’s just 3-D space?

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

So it’s just 3-D space?

Considering the nature of those mystic eyes, probably not, its supposed to see the death of EVERYTHING by its connection to the root, after all

 

[ShivaShakti]

So it’s just 3-D space?

What she was cutting through was certainly not a 1-A+ space. And "Non-euclidean" in this context doesn't seem to be referring to anything substantial. Simply the non-linear / hyperbolic geometry within the antagonists' powers.

 

[simply]

I agree

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

What she was cutting through was certainly not a 1-A+ space. And "Non-euclidean" in this context doesn't seem to be referring to anything substantial. Simply the non-linear / hyperbolic geometry within the antagonists' powers.

Oh thanks

btw this is the first time you’ve ever actually responded to me. I’ve tried before and failed

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

What she was cutting through was certainly not a 1-A+ space. And "Non-euclidean" in this context doesn't seem to be referring to anything substantial. Simply the non-linear / hyperbolic geometry within the antagonists' powers.

Can you prove that? or is that just conjecture?

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

What makes you guys so long to find True Infinity scan?

Hell, that is the one reason why I want to upgrade Nasu to High 1-A before the new year lol.

I agree.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Can you prove that? or is that just conjecture?

The burden of proof is on the people claiming "Non-Euclidean" refers to anything of this magnitude.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

The burden of proof is on the people claiming "Non-Euclidean" refers to anything of this magnitude.

the op already covers this

 

[ShivaShakti]

the op already covers this

By stating things with no actual foundations in anything. Nothing they gave implies their interpretation is supported by context.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Someone get @CrimsonStarFallen

 

[Theoretical]

So because I found the scan frankly suspicious, I went and searched for the original statement. And I see there was context not elaborated upon here. She was fighting a character who had access to spatial magic, and was able to use it to trap and confine others by sealing them in a space of his making. And Ryougi Shiki is able to see its "end" using her mystic eyes, and is thus capable of cutting through it.

I don't think this "feat" is what you state it is.

This doesn't really refute anything that I said lol

 

[ShivaShakti]

This doesn't really refute anything that I said lol

There is nothing to refute. All of your claims are not only not supported by the text, but contradicted. All it is stating is that she can cut through even abstract and non-linear space generated by her foe. You are extrapolating things which aren't there.

 

[Theoretical]

Nothing they gave implies their interpretation is supported by context.

I already posited why it would be supported by context at this point you're still just disagreeing without actual justifications

By stating things with no actual foundations in anything.

Did you even read anything that was proposed

The burden of proof is on the people claiming "Non-Euclidean" refers to anything of this magnitude.

I just told you lines at infinity

The lines at infinity provide a closure for a projective plane and still exists alike in real projective planes

A real projective plane still has the same vectors from your usual Euclidean space R^1 being the first R^2 being the second
Infinity^infinity entailing 2 dimensions as seen above infact a projective plane along with lines at infinity becomes a real projective plane by taking vectors K of a projective plane to be real numbers which becomes RP^2

Lines at infinity are a part of hyperbolic geometry/non Euclidean geometry

Non Euclidean geometry and Euclidean geometry share similarities this is one of them so the idea still works is that it then

What she was cutting through was certainly not a 1-A+ space.

Sigh once again nobody said she cut a 1-A+ space you're misinterpreting everything that has been presented lol

And "Non-euclidean" in this context doesn't seem to be referring to anything substantial.

It's a referring to a non Euclidean space a non Euclidean space exemplifies properties of a non Euclidean space because A take A to be a non Euclidean space if and only if A

It's either you don't understand what was presented or you're just being ignorant

Simply the non-linear / hyperbolic geometry within the antagonists' powers

That doesn't refute anything that was presented

 

[Tdjwo]

There is nothing to refute. All of your claims are not only not supported by the text, but contradicted. All it is stating is that she can cut through even abstract and non-linear space generated by her foe. You are extrapolating things which aren't there.

You also forgot the fact that it's specifically implied that the number of infinities itself is is irrelevant to " " cuz it holds its name as the true infinity. Don't ignore that aspect.
The "non-Euclidean" part is merely used to represent it being a physical form that encompasses the infinities descriptions since this wiki requires a physical form to exist in order for Mathematical interpretations to be accepted.

Nothing here disproves what Theoretical stated. You are merely focusing on only one aspect of the argument.

 

[Theoretical]

There is nothing to refute. All of your claims are not only not supported by the text, but contradicted.

I don't think you've posited the existence of a contradiction relative to what I said and what the context says

All it is stating is that she can cut through even abstract and non-linear space generated by her foe.

She can cut it yes but it is said that it's because the infinity of that space relative to the roots infinity is fundamentally different as a result of that roots being fundamentally greater and I already explained what them saying infinity has limits entails everything has been said it feels like you're just ignoring context lol

 

[Maxeez]

So because I found the scan frankly suspicious, I went and searched for the original statement. And I see there was context not elaborated upon here. She was fighting a character who had access to spatial magic, and was able to use it to trap and confine others by sealing them in a space of his making. And Ryougi Shiki is able to see its "end" using her mystic eyes, and is thus capable of cutting through it.

I don't think this "feat" is what you state it is.

What she was cutting through was certainly not a 1-A+ space. And "Non-euclidean" in this context doesn't seem to be referring to anything substantial. Simply the non-linear / hyperbolic geometry within the antagonists' powers.

Well, as the statement itself says, the space itself isn’t 1-A+ at all, and no one argued that. It was rather just an introduction as to what true infinity is and how Araya’s space isn’t one. But that’s not the point ; the fact that this concept of « true infinity » and such exist is what’s interesting.
I’m remaining neutral for now but wanted to say this.

 

[Theoretical]

What makes you guys so long to find True Infinity scan?

I already had it but I was lazy to make a crt for reasons like that I don't like engaging when people act like this but I'll just try to have patience just for this crt

 

[Theoretical]

Well, as the statement itself says, the space itself isn’t 1-A+ at all, and no one argued that

Yep nobody said the space is 1-A+ at all lol

 

[ShivaShakti]

Well, as the statement itself says, the space itself isn’t 1-A+ at all, and no one argued that. It was rather just an introduction as to what true infinity is and how Araya’s space isn’t one. But that’s not the point ; the fact that this concept of « true infinity » and such exist is what’s interesting.
I’m remaining neutral for now but wanted to say this.

That's not what the text is stating at all, and I don't know how anyone could interpret it in this manner. It is not invoking literal "Absolute Infinity" in a mathematical context. It is stating that things are "finite" and have "ends" because they are all subject to mortality and dissolution into The Root. This is common eastern philosophy.

 

[1Nairove]

Well, I have to say for someone who doesn't understand, or for someone who is confused, scale 1A+ doesn't advocate, H1A does

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

That's not what the text is stating at all, and I don't know how anyone could interpret it in this manner. It is not invoking literal "Absolute Infinity" in a mathematical context. It is stating that things are "finite" and have "ends" because they are all subject to mortality and dissolution into The Root. This is common eastern philosophy.

When the text takes care to mention Non-Euclidean geometry, and the fact that several mathematical concepts have been used in the nasuverse before, it's not that farfetched

 

[Theoretical]

So it’s just 3-D space?

It most likely is but it being a 3D space doesn't refute what has been presented I'll just reiterate it again

The scan posits that infinity has limits and make an analogy with a non Euclidean space that Araya created it has limits because such infinities constructed through recursion has limits by virtue of having another one greater

Example for the first dimension you have R^1 or just/infinity

The second dimension R^2/infinity^infinity

This carries on to 1-A+

As taking the powerset of natural numbers leads to 2^N or again infinity^infinity, the root is distinguished from such infinities that are constructed through such recursion and is thought to be equivalent to true infinity which denies the concept of limit hence you can't have the limit of for example infinity (root) ^infinity because the root doesn't have such limits and is distinguished from such infinities

Then I made an analogy as to how those infinities that are said to have limits as a result of that work with the same arithmetic operations up to 1-A+ but those same arithmetic cannot be used to reach the root because it denies such a concept

Now back to high 1-A because the idea beforehand carries to 1-A+ the inaccessible cardinal itself cannot be reached by arithmetic operations for those infinities from the first dimension x up to 1-A+ hence why it's high 1-A (the inaccessible cardinal)

Which blatantly entails the ontological magnitude of the root to be equivalent to that

Hence the High 1-A Root

 

[Tdjwo]

That's not what the text is stating at all, and I don't know how anyone could interpret it in this manner. It is not invoking literal "Absolute Infinity" in a mathematical context. It is stating that things are "finite" and have "ends" because they are all subject to mortality and dissolution into The Root. This is common eastern philosophy.

Dude. The scan iterally implied ;
Non-Euclidean geometry
Concept of Infinity

But you still came to a conclusion that it's merely "eastern philosophy" when it didn't even imply any of such thing.

 

[Maxeez]

That's not what the text is stating at all, and I don't know how anyone could interpret it in this manner. It is not invoking literal "Absolute Infinity" in a mathematical context. It is stating that things are "finite" and have "ends" because they are all subject to mortality and dissolution into The Root. This is common eastern philosophy.

Araya’s space is stated to be infinite. However it is perceived by Ryougi as finite since, when compared to true infinity, it is comparable to a finite space with ends. That’s how I interpret it and I don’t think it’s really that complicated.

 

[Theoretical]

It is not invoking literal "Absolute Infinity" in a mathematical context.

Nobody said absolute infinity

It is stating that things are "finite" and have "ends" because they are all subject to mortality and dissolution into The Root.

It never posited the limits of infinity to be predicated from the root it posits the limits of such infinities to be predicated from their nature itself which supports my interpretation unfortunately doesn't support your interpretation

This is common eastern philosophy.

It is very common for things with negative theology to be thought of as true infinity as well take ein sof as an example I don't see how you arbitrarily positing that it's common Eastern philosophy which is also unjustified and doesn't entail that its like that in this case acts a refutation to anything presented here

I can just say "the root is indescribable its common in neoplatonic doctrine hence the root is neoplatonic"

 

[ShivaShakti]

You all realize that "negative theology" in the current system isn't a tier of its own? In fact, we already acknowledge its tiering by apophasis. That's the reason why it is 1-A. It transcends all measure, and the cosmology beneath it is up 7 or 8 dimensions.

If that's your argument, what you are claiming isn't exactly new.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Araya’s space is stated to be infinite. However it is perceived by Ryougi as finite since, when compared to true infinity, it is comparable to a finite space with ends. That’s how I interpret it and I don’t think it’s really that complicated.

It is finite because it is ephemeral and subject to dissolution into the root.

 

[BasedNecoScaler69]

You all realize that "negative theology" in the current system isn't a tier of its own? I

It isnt a tier, though it can be used as a justification, and has been used in the past