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Mario vs Chara

Da3ggman said:
What are Mario's Win Cons?
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not sure, to be frank

while Mario can out-skill to hell and back, there ain't much he can do about SAVE/LOAD if his optional equipment is restricted

though, I don't see how tiring him out is a viable option, as Pure Hearts Mario has Limitless stamina

with AE restricted as well, this fight could just continue on indefinitely, especially since I don't see a clear-cut method for Chara to win aside from just.. physically attacking him

since Mario has Acausality type 1, he could theoretically formulate a plan to incapacitate Chara once he figures out killing them wouldn't work

still ain't sure who to vote for tho
 
TheKillerYT said:
Mario already got tricked a few times by villians so it might work. “If you give me your soul I will leave you alone or else we are here forever”
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wat..

An ultimatum like that won't sway Mario into just giving up his literal soul. Not to mention that, again, they're a child with decent enough knowledge of the Underground, their home, compared to Mario's Genius, and a wall of occupations and other intellectual-based activities under his belt.

mind naming a few instances Mario was tricked by some of the baddies he fights

TheKillerYT said:
After they realize mario is durable why wont they do it?
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sure, but Mario's more than acrobatic enough to dance around them while they hopelessly swing at him

also, didn't possession only work once Frisk gave up their soul, as we see in post-genocide playthroughs?
 
AStrangeverse said:
wat..

An ultimatum like that won't sway Mario into just giving up his literal soul. Not to mention that, again, they're a child with decent enough knowledge of the Underground, their home, compared to Mario's Genius, and a wall of occupations and other intellectual-based activities under his belt.
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Mario is not a genius in manipulation or whatever he is a genius in combat and he has a PhD in a few categories I think lol. Still its a wincon that MIGHT happen
AStrangeverse said:
mind naming a few instances Mario was tricked by some of the baddies he fights
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Idk. Just look above people mentioned a few instances
AStrangeverse said:
also, didn't possession only work once Frisk gave up their soul, as we see in post-genocide playthroughs?
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no actually since chara posses frisk in genocide routes sans and asgore parts. Chara is the one who kills sans and asgore
 
TheKillerYT said:
Mario is not a genius in manipulation or whatever he is a genius in combat and he has a PhD in a few categories I think lol. Still its a wincon that MIGHT happen
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My guy, Mario isn't gonna get manipulated by a child into giving up his soul. Man's isn't dumb enough to fall for that.

just write that "wincon" off, it ain't happening

TheKillerYT said:
Idk. Just look above people mentioned a few instances
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they mention Bowser kidnapping him..

Bowser himself is an evil genius, it shouldn't be a surprise he was able to fool Mario

TheKillerYT said:
no actually since chara posses frisk in genocide routes sans and asgore parts. Chara is the one who kills sans and asgore
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they're only stated to take control of Frisk specifically at the end of the genocide run, and post-genocide run

the deaths of Sans and Asgore might just be because of Chara's own determination awakening in response to Frisk's "guidance"
 
AStrangeverse said:
My guy, Mario isn't gonna get manipulated by a child into giving up his soul. Man's isn't dumb enough to fall for that.

just write that "wincon" off, it ain't happening
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Prove mario will one hundred percent not get tricked. It is a possiblity. It is a wincon.
AStrangeverse said:
they mention Bowser kidnapping him..

Bowser himself is an evil genius, it shouldn't be a surprise he was able to fool Mario
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Bowser is a evil genius? A evil genius who always gets beaten because he lets mario use the little lever that makes him fall to his death? The same bowser who does the same mistakes every game? Its on his profile. Bowser may display moments of stupidity and a lack of common sense on occassion
AStrangeverse said:
they're only stated to take control of Frisk specifically at the end of the genocide run, and post-genocide run

the deaths of Sans and Asgore might just be because of Chara's own determination awakening in response to Frisk's "guidance"
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"Who said you were the one in control?"
 
TheKillerYT said:
Prove mario will one hundred percent not get tricked. It is a possiblity. It is a wincon.
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I dunno, maybe using logic?

TheKillerYT said:
Bowser is a evil genius? A evil genius who always gets beaten because he lets mario use the little lever that makes him fall to his death? The same bowser who does the same mistakes every game?
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PIS exists for a reason. Plus, most of those games, Mario makes use of a new companion, or a new ability/power-up.

TheKillerYT said:
"Who said you were the one in control?"
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yes, after they were awakened by Frisk and regained their power

every other action seen in-game was mostly just Frisk
 
AStrangeverse said:
I dunno, maybe using logic?
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Which he couldn't use against bowser? The guy who lacks common sense and sucks at manipulation
AStrangeverse said:
PIS exists for a reason. Plus, most of those games, Mario makes use of a new companion, or a new ability/power-up.
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Bowser is not a manipulation or a good trickster actually he sucks at those and he tricked mario. His IQ comes from his intelligence in technology or whatever
AStrangeverse said:
yes, after they were awakened by Frisk and regained their power

every other action seen in-game was mostly just Frisk
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Most of the actions were done by frisk because chara was weak. In the sans fight chara started to gain control and made a move, in the asgore fight chara forces us to kill asgore and at that point she is fully in control. Thats the key we are using.
 
TheKillerYT said:
Most of the actions were done by frisk because chara was weak. In the sans fight chara started to gain control and made a move, in the asgore fight chara forces us to kill asgore and at that point she is fully in control. Thats the key we are using.
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There's nothing showing Chara can possess anyone but Frisk tbh. The only reason Frisk was "possessed" is because Frisk/the player is the one who "resurrected" Chara.
 
TheKillerYT said:
Which he couldn't use against bowser? The guy who lacks common sense and sucks at manipulation
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Plot. Induced. Stupidity.

he's only shortsighted when it comes to plans, as he overlooks crucial details

that's the shit that allows Mario to beat him sometimes, the rest is just from PIS, companion(s), or power-up(s)

TheKillerYT said:
Bowser is not a manipulation or a good trickster actually he sucks at those and he tricked mario. His IQ comes from his intelligence in technology or whatever
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And? It's notable nonetheless

simply trying to trick Mario into giving up his soul isn't going to work

TheKillerYT said:
Most of the actions were done by frisk because chara was weak. In the sans fight chara started to gain control and made a move, in the asgore fight chara forces us to kill asgore and at that point she is fully in control. Thats the key we are using.
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touché

but how does that explain how they would go about possessing Mario

cuz from what was implied in context, they were already tagging along with Frisk, remaining dormant until Frisk reached their peak

seems to me, that Chara was only able to possess Frisk due to their similar share of Determination
 
Potemkat said:
There's nothing showing Chara can possess anyone but Frisk tbh. The only reason Frisk was "possessed" is because Frisk/the player is the one who "resurrected" Chara.
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I mean yeah but its not on the profile so...
AStrangeverse said:
Plot. Induced. Stupidity.

he's only shortsighted when it comes to plans, as he overlooks crucial details

that's the shit that allows Mario to beat him sometimes, the rest is just from PIS, companion(s), or power-up(s)
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That shows how bowser has barely any good trickster feats and mario still got tricked by him lol
AStrangeverse said:
And? It's notable nonetheless

simply trying to trick Mario into giving up his soul isn't going to work
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probably but it CAN work even if its sooo unlikely its still a wincon.
AStrangeverse said:
touché

but how does that explain how they would go about possessing Mario

cuz from what was implied in context, they were already tagging along with Frisk, remaining dormant until Frisk reached their peak

seems to me, that Chara was only able to possess Frisk due to their similar share of Determination
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No idea tbh. We need UT supporters for that lol
 
TheKillerYT said:
I mean yeah but its not on the profile so...

That shows how bowser has barely any good trickster feats and mario still got tricked by him lol

probably but it CAN work even if its sooo unlikely its still a wincon.

No idea tbh. We need UT supporters for that
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chara can't possess mario, they only possessed frisk throughout the genocide route because they both share the same body.
 
Honestly, Strangeverse has a point. Chara somehow getting Mario to give up his soul is as valid a Wincon as Mario convincing Chara to BFR himself. It's such a unlikelyhood that it really shouldn't be considered. Was Mario tricked by Bowser before? Yes, he was, but doesn't Bowser have a higher intelligence rating than Chara? This is like saying L from Death Note get's tricked by Patrick Star- Maybe not on the same scale, but the idea is still the same. We can't just ignore the vast intelligence gap in favor of giving Chara a false wincon of convincing Mario to just give his soul up.

That being said, though I find this argument to have merit, I'm assuming this will be added ignoring this point, anyways.
 
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