One Punch Man: More Profile Changes

[Recon1511]

You know the drill

Suiryu:
Any particular reason we don't scale (not even as a "possibly") Suiryu to Bakuzan? He did break his toe and Genos regarded him as strong

Intelligence: Above Average (Highly knowledgeable in martial arts and combat. Quickly figured out that he had to destroy Choze's horns to disable his energy attacks)

Choze:
His LS in his monster key should be Class M as he clashed directly with Suiryu several times and even managed to knock him back

Intelligence: Above Average (Highly knowledgeable in martial arts and combat)

[Chapter 72 "Monsterization" pages 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 46 and 58]

Saitama:
Instinctive Reaction (Instinctively backed off from a possible Suiryu counter attack that would have blown his wig off)

[Chapter 70 "Being Strong is Fun" pages 38, 39 and 40]

It doesn't seem that this is going to get accepted.

Pig God:
Regeneration (At least Mid-Low. Energy stored within his fat has healing properties that allow him to recover from injuries very quickly) (Was unaffected by the bites of fifteen poisonous snakes that use a variety of different poisons) Blunt Force Trauma, and Cutting/Piercing Attacks (Due to a thick layer of fat protecting him)

These two justifications have to be removed as the two pages describing these abilities were retconned during the redraws and while I still do believe that they are true we sadly can't keep them around (Fun fact! ONE has a vore fetish that is present on all of his work, it's actually really obvious once someone points it out)

That being said, Pig God regeneration could be upgraded to High Low as he casually walked off having (seemingly) most of his organs pierced by Evil Natural Water water jets.

It appears that would just be Stamina and not Regen though I think it's very weird that Pig God can just walk off having dozens of holes in his body and still function normally

[Chapter 171 "The Last Guy I Wanna Run Into" pages 17, 18, 19 and 20]

BoS Genos speed upgrade:
Seems like this calc was accepted? Would be cool if a CGM checks it

One-Punch Man: Mosquito Girl Dodges Genos' Incineration Cannon

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This upgrade affects the three first Genos keys and the enemies he faced up to that point, those being:

Mosquito Girl, Armored Gorilla, Beast King, Kabuto, Deep Sea King, BoS Sonic, BoS PPP, Grizzly Nyah, Lightning Genji and G4.

I might have missed somebody.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

Agreed with everything

 

[Kachon123]

Agree with ability additions.

Neutral on the calc.

 

[Tural2004]

Agree

 

[LordTracer]

That being said, Pig God regeneration could be upgraded to High Low as he casually walked off having (seemingly) most of his organs pierced by Evil Natural Water water jets.

This isn’t regen, it’s stamina.

Any particular reason we don't scale (not even as a "possibly") Suiryu to Bakuzan? He did break his toe and Genos regarded him as strong

You might want to post the scan of him breaking Bakuzan’s toe-

Seems like this calc was accepted? Would be cool if a CGM checks it

Both the CGMs that commented are questioning the timeframe, so I’d hold off on using that.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

You might want to post the scan of him breaking Bakuzan’s toe-

Chapter 74.2: Depths of Despair (Part 2)

 

[Tural2004]

Agree

On second thought, I disagree with Suiryu scaling. I think just breaking someone's toe when they are off guard is already dubious for scaling and here, it is most likely an outlier. Saitama casually stomped him previously and Suiryu still thought that Saitama can't withstand Bakuzan's attacks.

 

[Recon1511]

This isn’t regen, it’s stamina.

I mean, true, but at the same time he is literally just casually walking off after having most of his organs pierced saying he is going to a ramen store to eat. He should be collapsing on the floor or straight up dying because of it, to me this indicates that Pig God is unbothered because his wounds already healed.

Unless he can just live normally with a ton of holes in all of his organs which idk if it's a type of Immortality or Self Sustenance.

On second thought, I disagree with Suiryu scaling. I think just breaking someone's toe when they are off guard is already dubious for scaling and here, it is most likely an outlier. Saitama casually stomped him previously and Suiryu still thought that Saitama can't withstand Bakuzan's attacks.

His body did withstand the brutal beatdown from Bakuzan (who shouldn't really have a reason to hold back) and he broke his toe and made him scream in pain which isn't minor damage at all.

I'd attribute that to Suiryu's broken spirit and straight up being stupid.

In any case Suiryu could get a "possibly at most Low 7-B" rating

 

[LordTracer]

I mean, true, but at the same time he is literally just casually walking off after having most of his organs pierced saying he is going to a ramen store to eat. He should be collapsing on the floor or straight up dying because of it, to me this indicates that Pig God is unbothered because his wounds already healed.

That’s a completely baseless assumption though. The manga gives literally no indication that he regenerated his wounds, I see no reason to consider it anything other than stamina.

 

[Tural2004]

(who shouldn't really have a reason to hold back)

Bakuzan's aim was specifically to torment Suiryu. That's enough of a reason to not kill him.

and he broke his toe and made him scream in pain which isn't minor damage at all.

I think you underestimate how easy it is to break someone's fingers.

 

[Recon1511]

That’s a completely baseless assumption though. The manga gives literally no indication that he regenerated his wounds, I see no reason to consider it anything other than stamina.

I guess Immortality Type 2 it is then or not

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

His body did withstand the brutal beatdown from Bakuzan (who shouldn't really have a reason to hold back) and he broke his toe and made him scream in pain which isn't minor damage at all.

I'd attribute that to Suiryu's broken spirit and straight up being stupid.

In any case Suiryu could get a "possibly at most Low 7-B" rating

Maybe a "possibly higher" would work better?

 

[Recon1511]

Fair enough I guess

Bump

 

[Recon1511]

Maybe a "possibly higher" would work better?

The interesting part to me is this panel:

Genos is still unconvinced but still rates Suiryu very highly by saying he could satisfy Saitama's desire to experience martial arts and calls him considerably strong

 

[ssgengar]

Shouldn’t pig god get radiation resistance? He was heavily exposed but was still able to move around quickly

 

[Recon1511]

Shouldn’t pig god get radiation resistance? He was heavily exposed but was still able to move around quickly

I don't think so, he was hospitalized like the rest of the heroes and actually died in the alternate timeline

 

[Recon1511]

Added some stuff to the OP mainly Saitama Instinctive Reaction

 

[Kachon123]

I agree with

Saitama Instinctive Reaction

 

[Tural2004]

I agree as well. To be honest, I feel like more often than not, high tiers tend to have stuff like this but don't get to display it

 

[ImposingTiger]

I agree with scaling Suiryu to Bakuzan

 

[Recon1511]

Bump

 

[TheRustyOne]

I agree with Suiryu scaling higher than he is now. While he did only break a pinky toe. Suiryu did it rather easily and while he was heavily injured and weakened. Imagine if he wasn't half dead and was in peak health, he'd be able to more damage than just a broken toe.

Being off guard doesn't massively lower your physical durability, not unless you have some special durability with energy or something. It makes you more reactive to pain, since you aren't expecting it and are relaxed. But if Suiryu can break his toe, he'd be able to break his toe even if he was prepared for it.

He had just been beaten down by a casual Gouketsu, the Three Crows, and took a massive beating from Bakuzan. I don't believe Bakuzan was holding back any massive amount of strength, especially since he had just transformed and was going crazy with all that power. However that is simply a personal opinion of mine.

This isn't like with Tanktop Master against Fuhrer Ugly, who's arms were completely broken and useless with just one punch. Even after taking all of those punches from Bakuzan, Suiryu was still able to walk. None of his limbs appeared to have been broken useless. Yeah Bakuzan easily broke his leg with a kick there.

But Suiryu's basically on death's door and has no strength left. Yet still broke Bakuzan's toe after that.

Not only that but as shown above, Post-G4 Genos finds Suiryu to be considerably strong. It's reasonable to be worried and uncertain of Suiryu being Low 7-B, though I personally think he's around that level given what we've seen. But I do think that just labeling him as just 7-C+ is downplaying him.

At least 7-C+, possibly higher is better than nothing. Though I prefer the OP suggestion of scaling (downward) him to Bakuzan. I say At most Low 7-B.

Disagree with Saitama having Instinctive Action based on that. Instinctive Action would be if Saitama moved back without the intention of moving. It's similar to when Goku backed away from Beerus here, despite the fact he didn't think about doing that. The body just reacts, with no decision making required. Nothing suggest Saitama did that on instinct, he consciously choose to move back unless there is proof to believe otherwise.

I agree with the Choze and Pig God stuff. And I share the same opinion as the other calc group members regarding that calculation. The timeframe has no justification.

 

[Recon1511]

Thanks for the insightful response Rusty. Now we just wait for staff feedback to see what gets approved and what doesn't.

A question though, do we add the feat of walking off having most of his organs pierced to Pig God to his stamina section if it isn't regen? Hell he somehow can still digest ENW and plans to go to eat Ramen after that.

 

[Damage3245]

I think that "At least 7-C+, possibly/likely higher" would suffice for Suiryu.

Will go through the rest soon.

 

[TheRustyOne]

Thanks for the insightful response Rusty. Now we just wait for staff feedback to see what gets approved and what doesn't.

A question though, do we add the feat of walking off having most of his organs pierced to Pig God to his stamina section if it isn't regen? Hell he somehow can still digest ENW and plans to go to eat Ramen after that.

While I get regeneration. I believe it's safer to label it as just a Stamina feat for now, unless we get solid confirmation that he regenerated.

Since we don't really know if his organs were pierced. I doubt he got hit in any vital areas, and his weird shape makes it impossible to say where his organs are.

 

[Recon1511]

While I get regeneration. I believe it's safer to label it as just a Stamina feat for now, unless we get solid confirmation that he regenerated.

Since we don't really know if his organs were pierced. I doubt he got hit in any vital areas, and his weird shape makes it impossible to say where his organs are.

I mean given the amount, the size of the holes and that Pig God was coughing up blood it's safe to assume at least one (if not several) organs were pierced. That being said it's perfectly possible that Pig God physiology is just ****** up like that.

 

[Recon1511]

I think that "At least 7-C+, possibly/likely higher" would suffice for Suiryu.

Will go through the rest soon.

I guess that works yeah

"Attack Potency: Town level+ (Kicked an energy ball into the air that dispersed the clouds), possibly higher (Post G4 Genos regarded him as strong, broke Bakuzan's toe)"

Like that?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Saitama:
Instinctive Reaction (Instinctively backed off from a possible Suiryu counter attack that would have blown his wig off)

[Chapter 70 "Being Strong is Fun" pages 38, 39 and 40]

I don't think my wording here is the best, if a native English speaker can come up with better wording please do correct me.

This isn't instinctive reaction. This is Saitmaa being worried his wig will fall off. Suiryu even said Saitama noticed what he was doing, which isn't a IA justification.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

Yeah Saitama consciously choose to back off, that’s not an instinctive action.

 

[Damage3245]

This isn't instinctive reaction. This is Saitmaa being worried his wig will fall off. Suiryu even said Saitama noticed what he was doing, which isn't a IA justification.

Agreed.

 

[Recon1511]

Agreed.

Yeah Saitama consciously choose to back off, that’s not an instinctive action.

This isn't instinctive reaction. This is Saitmaa being worried his wig will fall off. Suiryu even said Saitama noticed what he was doing, which isn't a IA justification.

Okay, I take it that aside from Saitama's IR and Pig God regen and BoS Genos speed scaling (unless a cgm evaluates that calc) everything else here is accepted then?

 

[Eseseso]

Agree with everything except instinctive reaction FRA

 

[Qawsedf234]

Okay, I take it that aside from Saitama's IR and Pig God regen and BoS Genos speed scaling (unless a cgm evaluates that calc) everything else here is accepted then?

I'm not really for Choze's Class M justification. Just having a punch clash isn't really enough to scale lifting strength afaik, especially when he's overpowered by Suiryu flexing hard.

I'm fine with the Pig God change and the Suiryu addition.

 

[Recon1511]

I'm not really for Choze's Class M justification. Just having a punch clash isn't really enough to scale lifting strength afaik, especially when he's overpowered by Suiryu flexing hard.

I'm fine with the Pig God change and the Suiryu addition.

I mean he initially overpowered Suiryu to expose his abdomen, forcing him to clench his muscles to defend himself from the piercing damage

He can also knock him back with his punches and kicks

Also here you can see that they clash using their whole bodies, not just punches:

 

[Qawsedf234]

I mean he initially overpowered Suiryu to expose his abdomen, forcing him to clench his muscles to defend himself from the piercing damage

Which means that Suiryu overpowered him

He can also knock him back with his punches and kicks

Which isn't Lifting Strength related

Also here you can see that they clash using their whole bodies, not just punches:

Clashing isn't considering lifting strength unless it then turns into a strength contest, like this (Strike -> Long Physical struggle).

Just punching each other isn't a scaling reason, they need to have prolonged physical contact where they're trying to overpower each other or instances like this.

 

[Recon1511]

Which means that Suiryu overpowered him

In the end he is the stronger one yes but Choze grabbed his arms, forced them open (idk how to word it in english sorry) and then stabbed him in his exposed chest

Besides it's not like Suiryu did that casually, he made a great amount of effort to overpower him so I don't see why they shouldn't be comparable in LS.

 

[Null]

Saitama:
Instinctive Reaction (Instinctively backed off from a possible Suiryu counter attack that would have blown his wig off)

The Hell FR, Saitama isn't really evasive in reaction, he's just trying to protect his wig. and he did it consciously.

 

[Qawsedf234]

In the end he is the stronger one yes but Choze grabbed his arms, forced them open (idk how to word it in english sorry)

He didn't force his arms open. Chosen attacked with both his arms, Suiryu blocked them and then Choze grabbed his arms to use as a grip for the horn stab.

If he forced his arms open, sure, I can get the scaling. But he didn't do that.

 

[Marvel_Champion_07]

He didn't force his arms open. Chosen attacked with both his arms, Suiryu blocked them and then Choze grabbed his arms to use as a grip for the horn stab.

If he forced his arms open, sure, I can get the scaling. But he didn't do that.

Weren't Suiryu's arms in a more bent position when he blocked Choze's attack, then they were more straight when Choze was stabbing Suiryu with horns?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Weren't Suiryu's arms in a more bent position when he blocked Choze's attack, then they were more straight when Choze was stabbing Suiryu with horns?

It looks like Attack -> Block -> Grab -> Thrust -> Flex to me.

If the anime showed him physically wrestling the arms away I guess it can count.