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GT Goku Fights An Undisputed God (6 votes till Grace)

KingKenjo

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Got to thinking about Mugen Souls recently and decided to see how this would go. Not 100% on how the AP lines up, but we'll see.

Undisputed God Chou-Chou vs Super Saiyan 4 Super 17/Shadow Dragon Saga Goku. Super Full Power Super Saiyan 4 is restricted, and Speed equalized.

Some Loli With A Split Personality: 3 (Soulgizmo, Magicomethkuon, KingKenjo)

Return to Monke: 4 (pineappleman, Dragonite007, TauanVictor, jojo123)

The Fight Doesn't End Well For Either: 0
 
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What hax exactly? I read both pages before I made the thread and she didn't seem to have a lot of hax
 
KingKenjo said:
What hax exactly? I read both pages before I made the thread and she didn't seem to have a lot of hax
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She can lower someone's stats it seems depending on if they find her cute or not.
The ability appears to work on characters similar in power or even stronger than her.
Not sure gokus resisting this transmutation into a bunny.
 
Soulgizmo said:
She can lower someone's stats it seems depending on if they find her cute or not.
The ability appears to work on characters similar in power or even stronger than her.
Not sure gokus resisting this transmutation into a bunny.
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Wish those had been listed on her page... Would you say this makes the fight unfair?
 
If goku 1 shots it's a stomp thus not a vote
Which idk why he is saying it's a 1 shot if we don't know the ap difference
 
KingKenjo said:
Oops. I just read the Powers and Abilities sections before making the thread and I didn't see Transmutation listed. Sooo assumptions.
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Yeah maybe her powers are just in need of a update because looking at her skills she even has a instant death mechanic for a move.
 
Goku just gets overwhelmed. Chou chou seems to be able to make other monsters on her level. Can open a pocket reality with all of her other personalities in it existing separately.
She can make the entire battlefield more monsters. And while doing all this can just outright turn him into a rabbit.
 
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All goku really has here is punch and blast hard. Sure I bet he manages to take out a couple personalities. But how long would it be until he gets caught with some elemental spells? You see how bad it was for ssj4 to get frozen even for a bit?
 
KingKenjo said:
If people are going to say one character one shots then I'd like to see some AP values to back it up.
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Profile atm has him at 1 yottafoe in base, and since multipliers are accepted he is ~50 Yottafoe as a SS1 and ~500 Yottafoe as SS4 bare minimum because of Oozaru amp, and that’s without any amping techniques such as dragon fist that defeat opponents much stronger in raw power.
 
AguilaR202 said:
Profile atm has him at 1 yottafoe in base, and since multipliers are accepted he is ~50 Yottafoe as a SS1 and ~500 Yottafoe as SS4 bare minimum because of Oozaru amp, and that’s without any amping techniques such as dragon fist that defeat opponents much stronger in raw power.
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He's not resisting getting turned into a peon. He would have to do the dragon fist as a bunny.
 
Soulgizmo said:
He's not resisting getting turned into a peon. He would have to do the dragon fist as a bunny.
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Now I'm just imagining that, and it's pretty hilarious.

Either way, I'll keep this going and see how it turns out. Gizmo seems to be making good points from what I can tell.
 
Soulgizmo said:
He's not resisting getting turned into a peon. He would have to do the dragon fist as a bunny.
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What makes you think he would be turned into a peon though? Goku doesn't strike me as the type of character to factor someone's attractiveness in a fight, let alone in day to day life
 
Shampurus (the name for the bunnies) are compelled to obey Chou-Chou in a compulsory manner. This particular ability only stops working if Chou-Chou is depowered to up until almost all of her abilities and powers are gone. Goku has no resistance to the transmutation or the mind hax that it triggers upon activation. He gets turned into a rabbit and then decides that being her peon for life is what he was born to do. Voting Chou-Chou.
 
To put into perspective how submissive a Shampuru is, they are forever loving and worshipping of Chou-Chou, all while subject to horrible things like being used as ammunition for cannons and shot out into space by the dozens.
 
pineappleman said:
In her profile it says that she can turns inanimate objects into peons, but her power doesn't work on people if they don't find her attractive, no? Like that's a specifically stated weakness
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From what I'm gathering the inanimate objects are somehow finding her attractive for the ability to work. Goku not finding things cute regularly isn't gonna save him here. I mean she doesn't look like a frieza or cell she's a little girl. Gokus monkey brain isn't gonna just automatically gonna go unga Bunga me smash unless he's bloodlusted I suppose?
 
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Chou-Chou's peon transmutation defies logic, often ignoring its own stated limitation. Her character page does not go into detail, but any kind of attraction allows her to turn people into peons, even if it's innocent. Someone thinks she has style, that she's cute, fun or endearing, you name it. Then there are mindless, inanimate things like meteors or a continent, where she turns them without any explanation just because she wanted to. When none of it works, she also has the method of attacking enemies who feel nothing for her with Moe-Skills to turn them anyways.

Killing enemies with Moe-Skills can create a Shampuru, too. Swarming an enemy with countless peons to depower them into a harmless state before turning into Shampuru against their will is another method. This method was used to turn the final boss of her game!
 
Magicomethkuon said:
Chou-Chou's peon transmutation defies logic, often ignoring its own stated limitation. Her character page does not go into detail, but any kind of attraction allows her to turn people into peons, even if it's innocent. Someone thinks she has style, that she's cute, fun or endearing, you name it. Then there are mindless, inanimate things like meteors or a continent, where she turns them without any explanation just because she wanted to. When none of it works, she also has the method of attacking enemies who feel nothing for her with Moe-Skills to turn them anyways.

Killing enemies with Moe-Skills can create a Shampuru, too. Swarming an enemy with countless peons to depower them into a harmless state before turning into Shampuru against their will is another method. This method was used to turn the final boss of her game!
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Hmm, I'm not familiar with her myself so I'll take your word on how the power works. If the 'attraction' is vague enough to include Goku getting excited for a good fight as an attraction to her, then I can see her power working on him as long as he's not bloodlusted

Though that will only apply if she doesn't get one-shot, how is her durability looking like in comparison to him? And if she does manage to transform him into a peon, is that an auto-gg or can he still fight in that form?
 
I will count the vote for Chou-Chou for now, but it does seem pretty important to get a Durability value for her to determine how fair the match is.
 
pineappleman said:
Hmm, I'm not familiar with her myself so I'll take your word on how the power works. If the 'attraction' is vague enough to include Goku getting excited for a good fight as an attraction to her, then I can see her power working on him as long as he's not bloodlusted

Though that will only apply if she doesn't get one-shot, how is her durability looking like in comparison to him? And if she does manage to transform him into a peon, is that an auto-gg or can he still fight in that form?
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With Chou-Chou, any kind of captivation works¹. While the inanimate cases were never shown to have a mind to feel captivated. And if depowered enough, the character can absolutely hate her guts, they will still be turned by her demanding of them to become her peon.²

Shampurus can fight, but only in favor and behalf of Chou-Chou. If Goku becomes a peon it is over by default because of the mind hax. Of course, this takes effect only as soon as the enemy is turned. Goku could still put up a fight before that happens.

I don't have a number on Chou-Chou, but this wiki did have a link to the feat where her 3-B durability comes from. Has it ever been calculated?

¹Another Goddess in the series, Syrma, has a more consistent limitation. Her peon turning only takes effect when changing what she's wearing and employing "fetish poses".
²Vide final boss.
 
Magicomethkuon said:
With Chou-Chou, any kind of captivation works¹.
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Doesn't seem to be the case off her page, from the wiki's explanations Goku wouldn't be affected methinks
 
KingKenjo said:
Even without a calc we might be able to infer the difference depending on how high in 3-B Goku is. That looked like only 3 or 4 galaxies, and isn't Goku not far off from 3-A in this key?
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Allow me to expand my thesis: My guess on Goku's numbers are as good as mine on Chou-Chou's. 😹 But wouldn't surprise me if he has sufficient advantage in AP to oneshot, all his multipliers considered. In a straight fist fight he'd win no questions asked. But her hax isn't exactly hard to land (she can just point a finger and tell the enemy to become her peon). Goku has no resistance to transmutation or mind hax either, so I think it's more likely for hers to land first than for him to land a punch.
 
pineappleman said:
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Doesn't seem to be the case off her page, from the wiki's explanations Goku wouldn't be affected methinks
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The funny thing is, we can see from this screenshot that the weakness description contradicts itself, by first claiming that the target needs to be attracted to her, then saying she has turned things that don't even have a mind or thoughts on her. I already explained why this isn't the case, Chou-Chou's power often defies its own logic and works on things and situations where it shouldn't. I mentioned this example as well before, but Vorgis HATED Chou-Chou and wanted anything but to be her peon. She still turned him into one in the end, as his eternal (funny) punishment.
 
Oh I have no doubt that such an easy hax to pull off would end up with her winning. But we could still say Goku technically has a win condition if he could theoretically one shot
 
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