- 18,104
- 15,809
Semantics.“He doesn’t use time stop for more than a couple seconds.”
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Comic Garou vs Shadow the hedgehog
- Thread starter Spinoirr
- Start date
- Status
Gilad_Hyperstar
He/Him- 11,208
- 4,233
Maybe it's that because you mostly use stuff feom gameplay? Which is gameplay mechanics?
Also, Shadow can stop the Chaos Control at any momemt he wants like against Silver
- 18,104
- 15,809
That's what I mean. I'm not doubting that he can hold it for any longer than I said, but what I mean is that in character, he would usually only have it active how a few seconds to get a couple hits off.
- 5,722
- 3,683
In gameplay yes. In actual lore? Not usually the case. Silver was a special case since he wanted to reason with Silver, and soon after succeeded in doing so. Against his clone? Sure, he got off only a single hit before disabling Chaos Control, but that's because he had beaten the clone already.
- 18,104
- 15,809
Can you send videos of other times he used it?
- 5,722
- 3,683
Hm, I can't think of many instances where he used it. I'm sure someone else can though.
I have a suspicion he uses Chaos Control in Sonic Rivals, but the problem there is that the cutscenes are dialogue only with no visuals.
- 1,260
- 613
Something else to consider: Shadow has a wide variety of other Chaos powers that attacks with by distorting space-time, all of which are different uses of Chaos Control. And Garou has no resistance to Space-Time Manipulation.
Chaos Spear also doesn’t just Pierce, it paralyzes his opponent (as stated on the page), which Garou also has no resistance to paralysis.
Chaos Spear also doesn’t just Pierce, it paralyzes his opponent (as stated on the page), which Garou also has no resistance to paralysis.
- 10,332
- 4,442
Ironic. FRA spams are only good if it's for the OPM character huh? Also a good chunk these people are more knowledgeable on Sonic than me and can thus form better arguments than me in this thread, yet you haven't even been able to counter my arguments.
Devil Doom's eye for instance.
Last edited:
- 7,454
- 3,822
Chaos Control lasts from 10-30 seconds in SA2 multiplayer
(Timestamp 20:00)
And yes, Chaos Spear is piercing too
(1:10)
(Timestamp 20:00)
And yes, Chaos Spear is piercing too
(1:10)
- 7,454
- 3,822
I almost forgot about Hero Shadow, a transformation Shadow can use anytime
sonic.fandom.com
Shadow can keep Chaos Control as long as he is Hero Shadow and he can keep being Hero Shadow as long as he keeps hitting bad guys. Since Garou is evil as long as Shadow keeps hitting him he can keep Hero Shadow and thus Chaos Control
Hero Shadow
Hero Shadow, Shadow the HedgehogBehold the ultimate power! Hero Shadow[1] (ヒーローシャトウ[2], Hīrō Shadō?) is a transformation that appears in the Sonic the Hedgehog series. It is the opposite of Dark Shadow, achieved when Shadow the Hedgehog's mind is fueled by thoughts of justice. When utilizing the...
sonic.fandom.com
Gilad_Hyperstar
He/Him- 11,208
- 4,233
Well, considering he can basically use Hero Shadow and CC pretty much at will, Shadow should be able to win here
Gilad_Hyperstar
He/Him- 11,208
- 4,233
This was a vote
- 10,332
- 4,442
Tbf guys what Kachon is trying to say is that Shadow would underestimate the damage necessary to kill Garou or just not go for the kill and instead try to KO him, leading to Garou adapting and also being able to use Chaos Control to counter Shadow's as well as being stronger and faster.
I understand that reasoning but like Shadow would probably restop time the moment he realizes Garou starts to regen and then finish the job. I doubt Garou can both regen from something that's supposed to either kill him or knock him out and at the same time use Chaos Control as fast as Shadow does, Garou might also be limited in how potent his chaos control is and how long he can keep it active compared to Shadow who has infinite energy. Shadow can also temporarily counter Garou's stat advantage by removing his inhibitor rings, perhaps giving him the necessary time to chaos control a second time at which point he will surely finish the job.
Edit: Would it be fair to assume Shadow has a resistance to time stop at this point?
I understand that reasoning but like Shadow would probably restop time the moment he realizes Garou starts to regen and then finish the job. I doubt Garou can both regen from something that's supposed to either kill him or knock him out and at the same time use Chaos Control as fast as Shadow does, Garou might also be limited in how potent his chaos control is and how long he can keep it active compared to Shadow who has infinite energy. Shadow can also temporarily counter Garou's stat advantage by removing his inhibitor rings, perhaps giving him the necessary time to chaos control a second time at which point he will surely finish the job.
Edit: Would it be fair to assume Shadow has a resistance to time stop at this point?
Last edited:
Gilad_Hyperstar
He/Him- 11,208
- 4,233
He already resist time stop iirc
- 10,332
- 4,442
Not in this key
- 10,332
- 4,442
Enough apparently
Also @ElixirBlue Kyle concludes in this vid that Garou and Saitama's rate of growth are pretty much equal, however Saitama had a higher initial power level. Thus one could argue that Garou perfectly copied Saitama's growth.
Last edited:
- 7,400
- 8,190
Similar to heat it is graded by output. It's not something vague as mind/soul manip that have no real way of grading their power other than arguably no. Of people controlled.
- 550
- 202
Shadow FRA.
- 7,454
- 3,822
Anyways Shadow FRA
- 9,226
- 3,367
Shadow fra
- 10,332
- 4,442
- 10,760
- 9,564
Going to mention once again... Time stop is not his only starting move, yet people are treating it like it is.
It is, in fact, the only move here that allows him to win. While everything Garou does can win the match.
Garou can indeed regenerate from things that were supposed to kill him. In fact, he's done it in the story before, various times.
Is Chaos Control thought-based? And also, please note that Garou fights with portal spam that makes traversing distances meaningless. He just pops out of portals and attacks him.
If he removes his inhibitor rings, it won't matter, as Garou will just copy the strength he gains anyways.
Whether or not Garou can copy time stop, I'm unsure.
Gilad_Hyperstar
He/Him- 11,208
- 4,233
Maybe it's becasue CC is Shadow's starting move, especially if he'd view Garou as an enemy. Shadow also loves to spam CC in general, and would definitely use it considering by SBA he would see Garou as an enemy
Not really, Shadow can use his Hero/Dark Shadow forms at will and can stay in them indefinitely as long as he attacks bad guys (which Garou counts as). These forms have invulnerability which makes Garou's AP adaptation pretty much useless
And that's not to mention Shadow can adapt in power as well, getting stronger as he fights
His regeneration is only Low-Mid though according to a profile. Low-Mid regen cannot negate a Chaos Spear sent directly to his head to explode it.
And in case he survives even that, Shadow can remove his inhibitor rings to massively increase in power and destroy him with a Chaos Blast
1) Yes, Chaos Control is thought based, and 2) How does portal creation gonna help? He lacks the range to escape from Shadow's BFR anyways
- 7,623
- 1,275
I've seen it be said in the past that CC can be thought based, did a match with him and soul calibur nightmare one time iirc. Also there's that 2-B range for the BFR which I think is a bit of a stretch to say Garou can come back from. That sort of distance I feel warrants proof to say one can traverse from A to B at that range.
- 10,760
- 9,564
But Time Stop isn't the only thing in his CC moveset, which is my point here. If he doesn't lead with time stop, Garou is far more likely to win.
How does the invulnerability work? Garou could potentially copy it.
His adaptations will never reach Garou. And prove that his adaptation is superior to Garou's RE + Power Mimicry.
Assuming that a Chaos Spear just gains one-shot worthy AP? That's not happening, and if it isn't in time stop, Garou just portals the projectile away.
Removing his inhibitor rings just gives more power for Garou to copy.
Portals help him to attack without Shadow knowing where he went or where he's coming from.
- 10,332
- 4,442
We're at a point where Shadow would be able to resist (most of) Garou's active radiation attacks so this is certainly not true.
Strawman, I said that he can't regen from something that's supposed to kill him AND use CC at the same time.
Garou would already have a stat advantage in the scenario that I laid out, as such Garou ain't copying much if anything at all since Shadow would just use the boost to get pretty much even again with Garou.
- 10,760
- 9,564
Unfortunately for you, nobody has proved that. And that's not even what I'm talking about. The guy literally one shots after a few moments.
Not a strawman, wtf? His regen is passive and his mimicry is thought-based. All he has to do is copy CC lol. Why are you acting like his regeneration isn't both instantaneous and passive?
Garou would have a stat advantage in any circumstance. Even if they're even, Garou will still grow past him in an instant.
- 10,332
- 4,442
I did, check above.
Prove he can instantly use CC when he's half-dead (so half-conscious at best) and in the process of regenerating, I doubt his regen is Zamasu levels of instantaneous.
Luckily an instant is all Shadow needs to activate CC.
- 10,760
- 9,564
Not comparable to a Gamma Ray Burst.
His physical condition has nothing to do with his copying. I just said it was thought-based.
His regeneration is indeed instantaneous.
Luckily Garou can copy it and grow at the same time.
- 10,332
- 4,442
Well I did say most, not sure how potent his Gamma Ray Burst is.
I'm not targeting the copying, I'm targeting him executing Chaos Control.
The whirlwind thingy still seems to take some time, if anything Garou's pain resistance/ability to remain fully conscious after taking very high amount of damage matters more, how good is he in that department? Now that I think about it more, Garou having fast passive regen might be more in Shadow's advantage since he'll catch on and will use CC a second time before Garou realizes what happened to him and decides to use Chaos Control himself.
We're in a scenario where Garou has already copied CC and either has used it but Shadow lived (or countered with his own CC), decides not to use it (yet) or can't use it(s full potential).
Edit: won't Garou try and copy some of Shadow's moves before ending him? That might cost him the match.
Gilad_Hyperstar
He/Him- 11,208
- 4,233
You realize Chaos Control do all of these at once right?
Garou won't have time to adapt since Shadow will already time stop him by this point
Shadow starts at a pretty big AP advanrage over him (810 Yottatons VS 247.29 Yottatons, and with him using CC right away, Garou won't be able to adapt in time, and with Hero/Dark Shadow and removing his inhibitor rings, he can easily overpower people that were previously comparable to him, meaning he does not survive a Chaos Blast to the face while being stopped in time
While Garou is time stopped? Not gonna happen
Can you show how this even work?
- 18,104
- 15,809
83600000000000 mSv lmao.
- 10,760
- 9,564
The radiation alone can deconstruct molecules from thousands of kilometers away IIRC.
So... copying? I'm confused on what you're saying here. "Executing Chaos Control" is the same as "Copying Chaos Control"
"Take some thing" The panel after that he was already striking Saitama with a fully remade arm. Wdym?
Garou can remain conscious after getting shredded to "death," and even if he is rendered unconscious he's able to fight skillfully while unconscious.
Why would Shadow live? Unlike Shadow, Garou isn't going to limit himself. And he would use his copied techniques instantly. He's always shown to do that.
Gilad_Hyperstar
He/Him- 11,208
- 4,233
That's not instantaneous. Fast, but not this fast
Gilad_Hyperstar
He/Him- 11,208
- 4,233
Was it shown to be comparable to an actual Gamma Ray Burst? Just because it was said to be so doesn't mean anything unless it was shown as such
- 18,104
- 15,809
It's accepted as a real GRB on his profile.
- Status
Similar threads
