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Top 10 Strongest Non-Smurfs for every tier continued

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Yemma670 said:
Huh.
How difference is that to type 2 and up.

I mean when you translate that to wiki standards at least
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Well.

Type 1 partakes in all aspects of the dichotomy, and becomes non-distinct for that reason. An example of this would be any character who is described as attaining coition with all objects, and they are typically omnipresent.

Type 2 partakes in attributes outside the typical dichotomy, and may be compared to a form of non-classical logic.

Type 3 is devoid of any attribute conceivable. Any tangible and distinctive descriptor simply isn't applicable to an entity of this nature.
 
Oh I see. Intriguing.

Uhh last question pls.. I've seen some Transduality Type 3 who actually fit your type 1, and most type 4 here fit type 1 for encompassing all attributes in oneness

So from your standards, you can be type 1 and still be type 4 on wiki standards?
 
Yemma670 said:
Oh I see. Intriguing.

Uhh last question pls.. I've seen some Transduality Type 3 who actually fit your type 1, and most type 4 here fit type 1 for encompassing all attributes in oneness

So from your standards, you can be type 1 and still be type 4 on wiki standards?
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By my standards, Transduality wouldn't exist, and it would be subsumed by Nonduality.
 
Yemma670 said:
Don't bother. He's being called to give full low 1C to Arceus, so he'll be there to take a look at it
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I dont even mention or care about that. I just explain about the transduality from DT statement
Yemma670 said:
In which case does it not work
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I dont have to give you the case, because the page literally stated "typically".

So you disagree with what the page and DT stated??
 
Dereck03 said:
You know what fused means right? It's like Graham's nothingness is Anos' source. So it's already nothingness until Graham's nothingness is destroyed. Anos didn't resist Homura mindhax but she needed to overcome Anos source first to finally affect him... Which Arceus can't overcome their source as their potency and resistance still above haxs potency in Pokemon (Specifically you need layered CM to overcome Graham and Anos resistance)
Logic is not the same in each verses... in Pokemon case is nowhere close to what the logic in MG is (and neither what logic could be in wiki), as logic in MG is beyond transduality itself even transduality that lacks logic can do nothing more than just gets infinitely destroyed by Venuzdonoa, MEoCD that are beyond the logic (Again just look at the feats of Logic Manip in MG)... Sadly there's no enough characters that have logic manipulation so the page for it cant be created.
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Arceus can effect his source as he can effect all the ways it circumvents damage other then resistences to hax
thats massively NLF that it is Immune to all hax as long as it isn’t layered CM beyond Anos’s resistence.
you are saying Transduality that lacks logic being destroyed by Venuz means Logic>Transduality. That makes zero sense that would actually Mean the opposite with Transduality Being superior to logic
 
ShivaShakti said:
By my standards, Transduality wouldn't exist, and it would be subsumed by Nonduality.
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Yeah. I NonDual entity of existence and Non existence will achieve the same effect as trans-. In retrospect, I don't get the point of specifying trans- when NonDuality is how it's actually called.

Oh well
 
Yemma670 said:
Yeah. I NonDual entity of existence and Non existence will achieve the same effect as trans-. In retrospect, I don't get the point of specifying trans- when NonDuality is how it's actually called.

Oh well
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Transduality isn't an actual term. It was created by the wiki when the page was initially created.

I suppose because they wished to accentuate the "Transcendence" of all dichotomies, however that often isn't how we acknowledge the ability.
 
theultimate5105 said:
Arceus can effect his source as he can effect all the ways it circumvents damage other then resistences to hax
thats massively NLF that it is Immune to all hax as long as it isn’t layered CM beyond Anos’s resistence.
you are saying Transduality that lacks logic being destroyed by Venuz means Logic>Transduality. That makes zero sense that would actually Mean the opposite with Transduality Being superior to logic
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Tbh. These people are fighting with an Arceus, whose 20 plates, which, mind you, holds infinite powers, are just fragments of his True Form


In other words, Anos is fighting a god under the condition he used tiny piece of his powers.

But i guess Arceus is borderline low 1C so he stomps either way.
 
theultimate5105 said:
you are saying Transduality that lacks logic being destroyed by Venuz means Logic>Transduality. That makes zero sense that would actually Mean the opposite with Transduality Being superior to logic
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DT has said more than one time that TD is logic-based power. And judging by one of the possible feats of logic manipulation that can make something/someone transdual. And also by manipulating the logic in MG they can negate the Aca 5 and TD nature.
theultimate5105 said:
Arceus can effect his source as he can effect all the ways it circumvents damage other then resistences to hax
thats massively NLF that it is Immune to all hax as long as it isn’t layered CM beyond Anos’s resistence.
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It's not immune, you need to overcome his source to fully affect him, its shown in verse and that's why it's already used many times
If an ability tries to alter a character's source (concept) and not just interact with it, then it needs to overcome the character's resistance to concept manip before it can alter the concept itself IIRC.
It's kinda the same as being able to interact with incorporeal beings =/= being able to harm them without the required AP.
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ShivaShakti said:
Transduality isn't an actual term. It was created by the wiki when the page was initially created.

I suppose because they wished to accentuate the "Transcendence" of all dichotomies, however that often isn't how we acknowledge the ability.
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Yes. The transcend aspect gave me the wrong idea at first

I thought transcending existence and Non existence meant transdual nonexistence before.

I don't understand why they don't use Nonduality. Smh
 
ShivaShakti said:
Well, no. You would require a feat for that.
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Reason/Logic Manipulation in MG already do that kind of things in verse. Negating TD 2 and Aca 5 nature, destroy NEP by destroying reason of why NEP couldn't be destroyed, being superior to normal and layered TD and being superior to TD that lacks even logic and capable of infinitely destroying it. Destroying a power after the power already affected , by destroying the reason of the power and creating a logical contradiction, therefore unilaterally winning, and subsequently nullifying the power's effect as if it was never even affected to begin with. Being beyond logic itself and unbound of it, etc. Likewise, if what @Yemma670 says is true that Arceus will become a full Low 1-C, I think it's pointless to continue with this as Tier 2 vs Tier 1 while the tier 1 has HDE and Omnipresence which tier 2 lacks the range to affect, so goodbye.
 
Dereck03 said:
Reason/Logic Manipulation in MG already do that kind of things in verse. Negating TD 2 and Aca 5 nature, destroy NEP by destroying reason of why NEP couldn't be destroyed, being superior to normal and layered TD and being superior to TD that lacks even logic and capable of infinitely destroying it. Destroying a power after the power already affected , by destroying the reason of the power and creating a logical contradiction, therefore unilaterally winning, and subsequently nullifying the power's effect as if it was never even affected to begin with. Being beyond logic itself and unbound of it, etc. Likewise, if what @Yemma670 says is true that Arceus will become a full Low 1-C, I think it's pointless to continue with this as Tier 2 vs Tier 1 while the tier 1 has HDE and Omnipresence which tier 2 lacks the range to affect, so goodbye.
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I despise Anos.
 
There is an upgrade to make ourer gods 9D but not sure if any have a profile as of now. Otherrwise they are 6D possibly 8D
 
What makes Exdeath superior to Castlevania characters?

I quite remember they got some crazy plot hax and can also negate all Exdeath regen
 
Yemma670 said:
What makes Exdeath superior to Castlevania characters?

I quite remember they got some crazy plot hax and can also negate all Exdeath regen
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It seems that Castlevania characters can't beat destiny folks and exdeath can (Don't know how tbh) that's why he's above them, tho he gets stomped here
 
ShivaShakti said:
If we permit profiles for Anos, SCP, Invisible Dragon, and Hybrid Mage, we should also index Suggsverse.
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Don't know about hybrid mage but Anos ain't the worst considering dnd and destiny characters beat or incon him and there are tier 1 characters who are also more broken and invisible dragon just has highest speed calc on the wiki. SCP does get out of the hand tho, still not to the degree of suggs i believe.
 
Orioreeem said:
If it has any good 9D hax that can incap that char then that's good enough
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9-D plot hax and fate hax might work? Both of these layered over fate hax that just ignored type 2 and 4 acausality.

Do Nasuverse 1-C pepe have Abstract Existence of Type 1 concept?
 
Orioreeem said:
Don't know about hybrid mage but Anos ain't the worst considering dnd and destiny characters beat or incon him and there are tier 1 characters who are also more broken and invisible dragon just has highest speed calc on the wiki. SCP does get out of the hand tho, still not to the degree of suggs i believe.
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hybrid mage is a shitty webnovel like suggs. Created by battleboarder
 
John985 said:
They dont, but they can interact with AE type 1 concept. And there's also upgrade for all gods to have it currently.
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Then that's a problem. Kamen Rider doesn't have feat of using type 1 concept yet, well maybe until Saber revision.

Is there other 1-C Nasu peeps that doesn't have that sort of AE?
 
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