gilgamesh vs accelerator (let's see what happens)

[DaReaperMan]

Also Accelerator can just go 5-B at the drop of a hat, practically forcing mystery into him, and well, yeah.

 

[Regidian]

1: Gil isn't exactly getting that close without dying

2: Accelerator has High 1-C hax.

And why? Accelerator have only high 1-C shield, his vector his high 1-C potency but in first key it's like bad in utility for how much i recall in term of attack, he just used it for plasma thing and grab object to it send to it to people. Which none do damage to gilga

 

[Regidian]

Also Accelerator can just go 5-B at the drop of a hat, practically forcing mystery into him, and well, yeah.

He only 5-B with counter vector and plasma, which gilga resist on 4D level for the plasma and for the vector he just nees to send nothing lol

 

[DaReaperMan]

And why? Accelerator have only high 1-C shield, his vector his high 1-C potency but in first key it's like bad in utility for how much i recall in term of attack, he just used it for plasma thing and grab object to it send to it tonpeople

Because Accelerator passively reflects shit like what Gil uses on a High 1-C level, and especially considering Gil is like, entirely made of what would be equalized to vectors, I don't think I need to tell you what happens when Gil does literally anything offensive-wise.

Or, even better, Accelerator just nukes Gil's heart or brain and insta-gibs him because he doesn't resist Macro-Quantam matter manip

 

[DaReaperMan]

He only 5-B with counter vector and plasma, which gilga resist on 4D level for the plasma and for the vector he just nees to send nothing lol

Which of course, leaves him open to have Accelerator do whatever the feth he wants to Gil, including several instant kill moves.

 

[Regidian]

Because Accelerator passively reflects shit like what Gil uses on a High 1-C level, and especially considering Gil is like, entirely made of what would be equalized to vectors, I don't think I need to tell you what happens when Gil does literally anything offensive-wise.

Or, even better, Accelerator just nukes Gil's heart or brain and insta-gibs him because he doesn't resist Macro-Quantam matter manip

First gilga don't need to send thing.second kihara a 9-C guy with no hax was able to bypass accelerator shield with melee attack, i don't see why gilga with SNI can't do the same.

It would not be equilased to vector or he would have been dead in INS bruh, he can litteraly move and act in place with negative vector.

Servant core which is their brain/heart are composed of quantum particule if i recall you so he would need to do higher than macro quantul that can just go up to electron

 

[Regidian]

Which of course, leaves him open to have Accelerator do whatever the feth he wants to Gil, including several instant kill moves.

Huh no?

Don't know if you know bu the accelerator you try to argue about, is a guy that was beaten by this guy. So the moment a guy that have knowledge of accelerator power can bypass what he do no reason that SNI gilga can't. And most of your famous instakill are not first move he do

Kihara Amata

Kihara Amata is a member of the Kihara family and the commander of Hound Dog, an Academy City black ops unit. In the past he was also Accelerator's power developer, and thus he knows almost everything there is to know about Accelerator's vector control power. During Vento's assault on the city...

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[DaReaperMan]

Huh no?

Don't know if you know bu the accelerator you try to argue about, is a guy that was beaten by this guy. So the moment a guy that have knowledge of accelerator power can bypass what he do no reason that SNI gilga can't. And most of your famous instakill are not first move he do

Kihara Amata

Kihara Amata is a member of the Kihara family and the commander of Hound Dog, an Academy City black ops unit. In the past he was also Accelerator's power developer, and thus he knows almost everything there is to know about Accelerator's vector control power. During Vento's assault on the city...

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Ah yes, a guy who looks like a scientist and not a guy in decently ornate golden armor who just so happens to be giving off a pretty strong aura, totally comparable. And information analysis either not telling Accelerator anything or giving him the rundown on Gil is more then enough to tell Accelerator he shouldn't really dick around with this guy.

First gilga don't need to send thing.second kihara a 9-C guy with no hax was able to bypass accelerator shield with melee attack, i don't see why gilga with SNI can't do the same.

Servant core which is their brain/heart are composed of quantum particule if i recall you so he would need to do higher than macro quantul that can just go up to electron

See above

Quantum particles... you do realize that Macro-Quantam is kinda on that level or above right?

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Ah yes, a guy who looks like a scientist and not a guy in decently ornate golden armor who just so happens to be giving off a pretty strong aura, totally comparable. And information analysis either not telling Accelerator anything or giving him the rundown on Gil is more then enough to tell Accelerator he shouldn't really dick around with this guy.

See above

Quantum particles... you do realize that Macro-Quantam is kinda on that level or above right?

so not even gil's mind/charisma A+ thing will do shit here?

 

[Rez]

Huh no?

Don't know if you know bu the accelerator you try to argue about, is a guy that was beaten by this guy. So the moment a guy that have knowledge of accelerator power can bypass what he do no reason that INS gilga can't

Kihara Amata

Kihara Amata is a member of the Kihara family and the commander of Hound Dog, an Academy City black ops unit. In the past he was also Accelerator's power developer, and thus he knows almost everything there is to know about Accelerator's vector control power. During Vento's assault on the city...

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Kihara exploited a certain weakness in Accel's calculations not the ability itself. By pulling his punches precisely at the right time (before the ability redirects it) he manages to trick Accel's ability into pulling the attack instead of repelling it. Kihara was able to do it because he helped in Accel's ability development and had a lot of time to master the technique.

 

[DaReaperMan]

so not even gil's mind/charisma A+ thing will do shit here?

It tends to like, do nothing 99.9% of the time, probably due to Nasu just outright forgetting it exists.

 

[Regidian]

Ah yes, a guy who looks like a scientist and not a guy in decently ornate golden armor who just so happens to be giving off a pretty strong aura, totally comparable. And information analysis either not telling Accelerator anything or giving him the rundown on Gil is more then enough to tell Accelerator he shouldn't really dick around with this guy.

See above

Quantum particles... you do realize that Macro-Quantam is kinda on that level or above right?

I talk about SNI what you talk me about analyse info??
And it's what never about the look, you should just read the guy profile lol. He litteraly have a thing that counter accelerator skill with pure melee technique.


Macro quantum is the level of electron particule in this case, you know it's like tell on his profile?

The day you tell me a particule that is smaller than a quarks is bigger than an electron then we have a problem.

 

[Regidian]

Kihara exploited a certain weakness in Accel's calculations not the ability itself. By pulling his punches precisely at the right time (before the ability redirects it) he manages to trick Accel's ability into pulling the attack instead of repelling it. Kihara was able to do it because he helped in Accel's ability development and had a lot of time to master the technique.

I know i never tell it's why a weakness of ability and i tell SNI will like show gilga the same weakness. Litteraly why SNI is about.

 

[WHYNAUT]

Electrons are around the same size as quarks. They're borth fundamental particles.

 

[Rez]

I know and i tell SNI will like show gilga the same weakness. Litteraly why SNI is about

It took kihara years to master his timing the technique also involves knowing Accel's behaviour and Gil can't use it with his gob spam (which will get redirected back at Gil) and Accel can one shot in close combat

 

[DaReaperMan]

I know and i tell SNI will like show gilga the same weakness

I think you missed the ladder part. We don't know how skilled Gil actually is in straight hand to hand combat, and pulling a weapon out of a golden portal that popped up out of thin air would raise some alarms.

I talk about SNI what you talk me about analyse info??
And it's what never about the look, you should just read the guy profile lol. He litteraly have a thing that counter accelerator skill with pure melee technique.


Macro quantum is the level of electron particule in this case, you know it's like tell on his profile?

The day you tell me a particule that is smaller than a quarks is bigger than an electron then we have a problem.

See above

Uh, pal? Quarks and Electrons are in the same class of size lol

 

[Regidian]

It took kihara years to master his timing the technique also involves knowing Accel's behaviour and Gil can't use it with his gob spam (which will get redirected back at Gil) and Accel can one shot in close combat

For the behavior SNI is like telling hil every momevement Accel will do, one more time i never talked about gob spam, but melee combat.

And how accel can os in close combat?

 

[DaReaperMan]

For the behavior SNI is like telling hil every momevement Accel will do, one more time i never talked about gob spam, but melee combat.

are you seriously arguing something that's OOC for gil? Archer Gil damn near never uses full power SNI, and all the times he did to my knowledge were in second key.

 

[Regidian]

I think you missed the ladder part. We don't know how skilled Gil actually is in straight hand to hand combat, and pulling a weapon out of a golden portal that popped up out of thin air would raise some alarms.

See above

Uh, pal? Quarks and Electrons are in the same class of size lol

Not being the better skilled don't mean he can't do it tho? And gil before gaining GOB was know to be skilled in hand to hand and melee weapon.

Quarks is what compose an electron don't see how it can be the same class of size

 

[WHYNAUT]

No, you're just wrong now. Literally just do a quick search on the internet.

 

[Regidian]

are you seriously arguing something that's OOC for gil? Archer Gil damn near never uses full power SNI, and all the times he did to my knowledge were in second key.

Gil used OOC and melee combat before GOB, archer gil use SNI he just ignore it when he think the end is impossible (lile hil being beaten by shirou)

 

[Regidian]

No, you're just wrong now. Literally just do a quick search on the internet.

My fault just see, i have merged electron and proton/neutron like an idiot, but anyways doesn't change much as spiriton should be lower than quarks in first since yagyu can spot quarks but can't see spiriton particule.

 

[DaReaperMan]

It's pretty advanced science but it's easy to look up, and Electrons are actually smaller in terms of mass then any class of quark, so yeah. Yagyu doesn't really help because it's unquantafiable at that point, putting Accelerator's matter manip still able to murder gil

Gil used OOC and melee combat before GOB, archer gil use SNI he just ignore it when he think the end is impossible (lile hil being beaten by shirou)

When Gil thinks he'll actually win a melee fight he likes to go melee.

Archer Gil uses a restricted SNI, ya basically have to bloodlust him to get him to do so.

 

[azontr]

Dude what about High 1-C reflective hax, which is many uncountable infinites above Gilgamesh's cap, don't you understand???

 

[DaReaperMan]

Dude what about High 1-C reflective hax, which is many uncountable infinites above Gilgamesh's cap, don't you understand???

Arguing that SNI(something Gil is more likely to ignore) and an unquantafiable skill statement that's just "he's good"' will be able to get around it. Which is like, nah.

 

[azontr]

From literally every Gil match I've seen I've always heard, "Full power SNI is OOC", why does it now play a factor when he's not even going all out???

 

[Regidian]

Dude what about High 1-C reflective hax, which is many uncountable infinites above Gilgamesh's cap, don't you understand???

I mean it's high 1-C that was countered by someone so i don't see the prob? Not because it's high 1-C that it can't be countered ol

 

[azontr]

I mean it's high 1-C that was countered by someone so i don't see the prob? Not because it's high 1-C that it can't be countered ol

That's because of a weakness of the ability was exploited. Gilgamesh probably won't be able to exploit that specific weakness, nor can he even bypass Accel's shields in the first place.

 

[WHYNAUT]

Wasn't it also stated that Accel only lost to Amata because he wasn't in a good state of mind? Like he could change the exact boundaries of his field so the trick doesn't work or something like that.

 

[azontr]

Like, honestly, Gil has literally nothing to hurt Accel.

His weapons get reflected, Ea gets reflected, SNI doesn't help, and Accel has uber-dura neg in the form of macro-quantum hax and Vector Manipulation along with being far smarter than Gilgamesh. This is the most blatant stomp ever.

The only way this ever works is if you use Full Power Gil who just Ten Crown's everything, which makes it a stomp in his favor. This is a mismatch.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Like, honestly, Gil has literally nothing to hurt Accel.

His weapons get reflected, Ea gets reflected, SNI doesn't help, and Accel has uber-dura neg in the form of macro-quantum hax and Vector Manipulation along with being far smarter than Gilgamesh. This is the most blatant stomp ever.

The only way this ever works is if you use Full Power Gil who just Ten Crown's everything, which makes it a stomp in his favor. This is a mismatch.

Pretty sure Gil is comparable or smarter, considering his intelligence scales above Da Vinci and Holmes by a few void whales

 

[Regidian]

That's because of a weakness of the ability was exploited. Gilgamesh probably won't be able to exploit that specific weakness, nor can he even bypass Accel's shields in the first place.

He probably can, and the thing is about the shield with function the same way.

Arguing that SNI(something Gil is more likely to ignore) and an unquantafiable skill statement that's just "he's good"' will be able to get around it. Which is like, nah.

Gil only ignore it when he thing that it blatentetly false or restreint it when he doesn't see the guy as worthy of it's use. So if you tell me that gilgamesh will not consider a guy with high 1-C hax and shield worthy when he consider other weaker guy as one i can't do much.

Being good in melee as a servant is already good, servant have already perfect control over their body in first.


And for the vector, gil can act in negative vector space which should help

 

[azontr]

Pretty sure Gil is comparable or smarter, considering his intelligence scales above Da Vinci and Holmes by a few void whales

I don't play FGO so thanks for the correction. Doesn't change much but thanks lol.

 

[azontr]

He probably can, and the thing is about the shield with function the same way.

How can he when SNI, the one thing that may let him find out Accel's weakness if he even has it, is something he regularly ignores to my knowledge? When you ignore your own precognition it stops being that useful.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Gil only ignore it when he thing that it blatentetly false or restrint it when he doesn't the giu jeing worthy of it use. So if you tell me that gilgamesh will not consider a guy with high 1-C hax and shield worthy when he consider other weaker guy as one.

Being good in melee as a servant is already good, servant have already perfect control over their body so still don't see the prob

"Blatantly false" looks at Sakura and several other instances Yeahahahahahahahahahaha no. Gil is pretty damn arrogant, he could see it as false because why would a dude literally named "accelerator" be capable of that?

And where mayhaps is this on the servant physiology page? And Gil just being good in hand to hand is a skill feat that puts him above the average Joe. Think about that for a moment before thinking Gil actually can pull that kind of feat.

 

[Regidian]

How can he when SNI, the one thing that may let him find out Accel's weakness if he even has it, is something he regularly ignores to my knowledge? When you ignore your own precognition it stops being that useful.

He doesn't regulary ignore SNI, he doesn't use it in front of people he doesn't consider worthy or in face of people he consider not being able to do him problem like shirou (like in strange fake he using it pratically all time),

 

[DaReaperMan]

He doesn't regulary ignore SNI, he doesn't use it in front of people he doesn't consider worthy or in face of people he consider not being able to do him problem like shirou (like in strange fake he using it pratically all time),

That's because he knows for a fact the people in Strange Fake are all genuine threats to him pal.

 

[azontr]

SNI is also passive to my knowledge...

 

[DaReaperMan]

Also yeah, SNI is passive.

 

[azontr]

He doesn't regulary ignore SNI, he doesn't use it in front of people he doesn't consider worthy or in face of people he consider not being able to do him problem like shirou (like in strange fake he using it pratically all time),

There you have it, SNI being passive literally invalidates any argument that would make one assume Gil doesn't just tell his own precog to go **** itself on a regular basis lol.