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PFP = Post-Flashpoint for me, but fair point.
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DC Street Tier Speed Revision
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Thank you for the evaluation.
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At least spell out the Pre and Post parts.
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Thank you.
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Will do
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There's a handful of statements in the World's Finest run that say that characters have different power levels on different realities, it's why Power Girl has two different keys for her two different realities. I think this is important to note because it makes a lot of inter-reality scaling so much easier and less messy. So I think we should just scale characters off the feats from their own realities.
Anyway, I did a llot of street tier speed calcs lately (here and here) and got consistently Supersonic+ stuff. Take from that what you wll.
Anyway, I did a llot of street tier speed calcs lately (here and here) and got consistently Supersonic+ stuff. Take from that what you wll.
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For the Killshot calc, those calibers look real big, I'd suggest using 7.62x51mm NATO/.308 Winchester as the bare minimum, and at best, .50 BMG (Which really isn't much faster than full-power 5.56x45mm NATO rounds which is what the AR-15 uses but the US military shifted to HK416 M27s now, so yeah, won't be that much swifter, unless you go sabot .50 BMG)
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Ah, thanks.. Still Supersonic+ but a bit more accurate it seem.
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BTW, for the Katana calc, why not just assume that the bullets were arm's length away from Katana? This is because when she strikes them with the katana at one point her arm would be straightened out to the front and her katana would be horizontal like a shield, directly ending up in the bullet's path.
Or... you could use the scan after the bullet slice to determine the distance between the bad guys and Katana's group.
Or... you could use the scan after the bullet slice to determine the distance between the bad guys and Katana's group.
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Just saw that point-blank lightning dodging feat and it is not legit. We don't see the lightning go to her and then she moves, just the weapon before attacking her and then the next panel it already attacked her and she dodged, but we have no idea of what was in between that. The staff was blowing lightning everywhere, she could have dodged a hit from the staff at staff speeds and the lightning was there around.
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@Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan
Amelia posted some new Nightwing calculations that we may be able to use if you evaluate them:
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Amelia posted some new Nightwing calculations that we may be able to use if you evaluate them:
DC: Nightwing calcs
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I'll check later but better have a third party compare my calcs to hers.
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yes
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Pretty sure I’m late, but I definitely agree with the speed change
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DC Speed Feats Recalculations + New Calculations
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Nightwing dodges a bullet point blank
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DC: Nightwing calcs
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DC: Street tier recalcs (speed)
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I have been told that several of the above calculations are for the same feats, and as such overlap with each other. Can any of you help us to decide which of them that are most reliable to use please?
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Nightwing dodges a bullet point blank
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DC Speed Feats Recalculations + New Calculations
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Do we take the second craziest accepted speed feat as something similar to how we do things at Marvel street leveler speed feats?
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A bump I guess, better get this long overdue issue over with since I do have some DC revisions in mind too.
So firstly in response to Jasonsith some of the lightning feats seemed to have been debunked above, I'll have to scroll the thread to recap what the points made were.
There's also two versions of the recalcs right now, Amelia's and mine, I'll try to take a look at Amelia's tonight but it'd be nice if a calc group member has time to review and compare them.
After that we'll have to make a decision based on all the calcs on which one is the most consistent for the characters.
So firstly in response to Jasonsith some of the lightning feats seemed to have been debunked above, I'll have to scroll the thread to recap what the points made were.
There's also two versions of the recalcs right now, Amelia's and mine, I'll try to take a look at Amelia's tonight but it'd be nice if a calc group member has time to review and compare them.
After that we'll have to make a decision based on all the calcs on which one is the most consistent for the characters.
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DC Speed Feats Recalculations + New Calculations
Nightwing dodges a bullet point blank
DC: Nightwing calcs
DC: Street tier recalcs (speed)
@Executor_N0 @Mr._Bambu @Therefir @DMUA @Damage3245 @DemonGodMitchAubin @Jasonsith @Wokistan @Armorchompy @KieranH10 @Migue79 @Psychomaster35 @DragonGamerZ913
I have been told that several of the above calculations are for the same feats, and as such overlap with each other. Can any of you help us to decide which of them that are most reliable to use please?
This is the latest DC street leveler speed feat.Nightwing dodges a bullet point blank
I see some old calcs are exaggerated So Spino downtoned them - just to let Spino himself spot some legit lightning dodging feat.DC Speed Feats Recalculations + New Calculations
Do we take the second craziest accepted speed feat as something similar to how we do things at Marvel street leveler speed feats?
Just to quote a few
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Took the time to read Amelia's version and here are my conclusions: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan/Yet_another_DC_speed_recalc
I found myself agreeing with her calcs more than my original version which took values from the even more original calc (the bad one). I recalculated the Batman feat once again though, and ended up with an underwhelming Mach 2. That also seems to be in line with the Nightwing feats which are in the Supersonic to Supersonic+ range.
I guess maybe Supersonic+ would be more consistent for DC, unless we decide to use the lightning feats.
There's also the Cassandra Cain MHS feat though that is unrelated to lightning: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...New_Calculations#Cassandra_Cain_dodges_bullet
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I redid the Batman calc which is in the first link.
The MHS range calcs have been accepted, it's a matter of whether they or the Supersonic range calcs are a more suitable rating for the DC characters.
The MHS range calcs have been accepted, it's a matter of whether they or the Supersonic range calcs are a more suitable rating for the DC characters.
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Okay.
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Would any of you be willing to evaluate the following calculation blog, and otherwise help us out with deciding which versions of the calculations for the same feats that we should use here in general please?
Yet another DC speed recalc
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I mean, I don't think it's about choosing THE most consistent, but rather choosing the highest that is somewhat consistent
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lol no
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I mean, if you choose THE most consistent, it's gonna be like peak human, lol
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Not anywhere close to completing tbh, need input from more knowledgeable members. Basically we have a bunch of Supersonic calculations and a few MHS ones (some of them are being questioned though).
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Meh not really though, think street tier dodging rifle fire undistracted is consistent :V
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Are they all performed by the same people orrr?
Because street tiers can have like, dynamics amongst themselves
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We have a Supersonic feat by Batman and a couple of Supersonic to Supersonic+ feats for Nightwing.
Cassandra Cain has a HHS+ to MHS feat, but there has been some debate on the extent regular street tiers scale to her since she's supposed to be like really fast.
Then there's a bunch of questionable MHS electricity/lightning calcs that I think people brought up some issues with but I'll have to check the thread again. Someone mentioned some metahuman being as fast as lightning too iirc.
Cassandra Cain has a HHS+ to MHS feat, but there has been some debate on the extent regular street tiers scale to her since she's supposed to be like really fast.
Then there's a bunch of questionable MHS electricity/lightning calcs that I think people brought up some issues with but I'll have to check the thread again. Someone mentioned some metahuman being as fast as lightning too iirc.
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Cain getting listed way the **** higher than everyone else isn't that much a stretch, yeah.
Check the other feats though, ye
Check the other feats though, ye
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Cassandra isn’t generally treated as massively outstatting everyone. It’s her skill that puts her this high
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TBH cloud to ground lightning strike is pretty easy to dodge - one from another comic book takes as little as subsonic speed to dodge.
Well this may mean all cloud to ground lightning dodging speeds need to be discounted.
Meanwhile speed tiers are benchmarked against the highest applicable speed feat so it can be unfair if we go against this rule just because "we think" they should be closer.
Well this may mean all cloud to ground lightning dodging speeds need to be discounted.
Meanwhile speed tiers are benchmarked against the highest applicable speed feat so it can be unfair if we go against this rule just because "we think" they should be closer.
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