"Father... I shall become the largest character revision on this site" - Ultimate Post Crisis Batman Revision

[M3X_2.0]

Hello. This is my biggest ever CRT, tackling one of the biggest, if not the biggest character in in fiction, with over 40000+ appearences and with more than 80 years of content. So let's begin.

First of all, the scans and feats. They are all on this sandbox of mine, called PCBatmanProject, it's where I put all the scans from the Google doc where I originally made the full respect thread, here is the Google doc. It's in portuguese, my native language. This blog is where I am translating and adapting it to the FANDOM format. As you can see, I've not only gathered Batman scans, I've gathered scans for every single Batfamily member and every single villain. So they're being revised as well, though we should focus on Batman now.

For Batman, here is the sandbox with his profile, which I called PCBatmanProfile. What changes:

1. Better profile image. The current one doesn't have a render, it's just Jim Lee's art. I changed it for a full body render draw by Jim Lee.
2. While reading I figured out a way to find his age. Normally they don't tell you age for comic characters, this didn't stop me from using the information I've collected to find that Bruce had 26 years when he first started and that he had 40+ years during 2011.
3. Expanded his PA section, Base, Equipment, Suits and Preparation. Same for resistances.

I couldn't make the texts smaller. It's too much content, too much detail, and everything is important, but I made it easier to read, using less complicated words and using scroll boxes to not clutter your page. Anyway, Batman profile is better in any way compared to the original.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

A bit of formatting issues here and there but I can try correct them when I'm free.

Otherwise I agree.

 

[Qawsedf234]

I think some of the sections still need brushing up. For example, Batman's intelligence is listed as supergenius when this is the qualification

In order to qualify for a Supergenius rating based on technological prowess, a character should be able to essentially warp reality in virtually any way that they wish on an at least base level infinite (High 3-A) scale with their inventions, or even use them to overpower tier 1 entities for higher cases. Simply defying the laws of physics with futuristic technology is very common for Extraordinary Geniuses as well. Meaning that there should be an enormous amount of versatility combined with an infinite scale of power and preferably range.

So you need to show that he prep can replicate, effect or somehow alter things on a Tier 3/2/1 level.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I think some of the sections still need brushing up. For example, Batman's intelligence is listed as supergenius when this is the qualification

So you need to show that he prep can replicate, effect or somehow alter things on a Tier 3/2/1 level.

It’s on the technology section, the part where he turned a time machine into a bomb to explode the timeline.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I might change the general intelligence and detective work to extraordinary genius and make the technology part supergenius though if that makes more sense.

 

[Tomfer]

I might change the general intelligence and detective work to extraordinary genius and make the technology part supergenius though if that makes more sense.

I think that's not allowed anymore, everything from normal intelligence to combat, detective and tech is all under a single category. Best thing you can do now is what you already did, putting under different tabs.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I think that's not allowed anymore, everything from normal intelligence to combat, detective and tech is all under a single category. Best thing you can do now is what you already did, putting under different tabs.

Well that’s hella dumb, most UFC fighters can’t form a phrase but they’re genius when it comes to fighting. In the same way Einstein doesn’t know how to fight.

 

[Tomfer]

Well that’s hella dumb, most UFC fighters can’t form a phrase but they’re genius when it comes to fighting. In the same way Einstein doesn’t know how to fight.

This was a recent change, when someone wanted to officially establish combat intel in the wiki. Staff didn't really liked the idea, so they forced everyone to take the "generally this in normal intel, this in combat" stuff.

 

[Qawsedf234]

It’s on the technology section, the part where he turned a time machine into a bomb to explode the timeline.

This is what I'm seeing:

Batman’s engineering and inventive genius has allowed him to design most of his own technology. He has personally created and modified every version of the Batmobile, integrating features such as explosive detection sensors, satellite tracking systems, and electrical defense plating[298]. He has also developed the Batcomputer and remote-control AI systems[299], forged his own Batarangs[300], and built mechanical organs and cybernetic systems[301]. Batman conducted reverse-engineering of every confiscated technological armor used by the Justice League[302] and even reprogrammed a trojan virus from Lex Luthor to make killer robots self-destruct[303]. His scientific prowess extends beyond Earth-based technology — he has analyzed alien DNA, built spacefaring vehicles, and integrated both Kryptonian and Apokoliptian technology into his designs. His ability to conceptualize, construct, and weaponize technology makes him one of the most formidable minds in the multiverse.

A timeline-destroying bomb is not clarified at all within the technology section when it should be his primary justification.

 

[M3X_2.0]

I’m gonna change that

 

[Nierre]

Welcome back to the world of the dead

Amazing work on this profile, I know this probably took a couple years at least, so major props.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Welcome back to the world of the dead

Amazing work on this profile, I know this probably took a couple years at least, so major props.

Since 2023, although most of the time was me being lazy + I requested a longer ban than what I should get.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks like a good start, but stats undecided yet?

 

[M3X_2.0]

Looks like a good start, but stats undecided yet?

Gonna keep the same ones until I have everything ready

 

[M3X_2.0]

Gonna keep the same ones until I have everything ready

And because it affects more characters and I have yet to read more about a few of them. And I guess people wouldn’t be happy with a downgrade.

Also, just got reminded that Superman got massively upgraded since the last time I checked his profile… he’s Tier 2 now and Batman consistently matches him with armors and prep time, wouldn’t that qualify for Supergenius?

 

[Dalesean027]

I think that's not allowed anymore, everything from normal intelligence to combat, detective and tech is all under a single category. Best thing you can do now is what you already did, putting under different tabs.

this isn't true at all, the only thing that's separated now is combat intelligence stuff since that's no longer something that gets rated and is now relegated to skillbox

We no longer list combat stuffs in the intelligence section or give an actual rating for combat intelligence, its instead now reserved to a skill section instead as per this thread

Establishing combat skill requirements

Thank you for helping out. 🙏

vsbattles.com

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Intelligence?diff=9003472&oldid=8891109

Basically the updated example would look like this

DaReaperMan/Thrall

vsbattles.fandom.com

With a general intelligence and skill section being seperate things but skill has no named rating


Like general intelligence CAN be influenced by combat intelligence so like strategy, planning, etc. do double as general intelligence since it does require some level of smarts to do any of that.

"These factors can also influence a character's general intelligence rating. For example, skills like strategy, rapid learning or the ability to predict an opponent's moves could contribute to a high intelligence rating. However, for many characters, it's useful to separate combat skill from general intelligence. This distinction is particularly important when a character is highly skilled in combat but lacks academic or intellectual prowess."

so some can be used for general intelligence but otherwise all the combat skill shit needs to be its whole own thing with no named rating but this doesn't influence his other stuff like technological intelligence, strategic intelligence, etc. that stuff all can stay on his regular intelligence section unless you want to actual make distinction but it's not mandatory and all counts to his overall single intelligence rating regardless

 

[Tomfer]

this isn't true at all

@ Grok is this true?

this isn't true at all, the only thing that's separated now is combat intelligence stuff since that's no longer something that gets rated and is now relegated to skillbox

We no longer list combat stuffs in the intelligence section or give an actual rating for combat intelligence, its instead now reserved to a skill section instead as per this thread

Establishing combat skill requirements

Thank you for helping out. 🙏

vsbattles.com

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Intelligence?diff=9003472&oldid=8891109

Basically the updated example would look like this

DaReaperMan/Thrall

vsbattles.fandom.com

With a general intelligence and skill section being seperate things but skill has no named rating


Like general intelligence CAN be influenced by combat intelligence so like strategy, planning, etc. do double as general intelligence since it does require some level of smarts to do any of that.

"These factors can also influence a character's general intelligence rating. For example, skills like strategy, rapid learning or the ability to predict an opponent's moves could contribute to a high intelligence rating. However, for many characters, it's useful to separate combat skill from general intelligence. This distinction is particularly important when a character is highly skilled in combat but lacks academic or intellectual prowess."

so some can be used for general intelligence but otherwise all the combat skill shit needs to be its whole own thing with no named rating but this doesn't influence his other stuff like technological intelligence, strategic intelligence, etc. that stuff all can stay on his regular intelligence section unless you want to actual make distinction but it's mandatory and all counts to his overall single intelligence rating regardless

I think you misunderstood what I meant. I meant to say exactly that except with fewer words. Like everything listed, from preparation to skill should still warrant a supergenius, or EG is staff doesn't approve. What I said was about putting different "levels" of intel for different areas, like only his preparation being SG and the rest being EG, I don't think that's right.

 

[Antvasima]

This seems fine, except for that a supergenius has to be able to essentially warp reality almost any way they want with their inventions up to an infinite scale, or/and have literally infinite mental processing power. Batman doesn't seem to reach quite that high.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I still think extraordinary is more consistent than supergenius.

 

[Hellbeast]

This is insane and I’m glad one is finally doin it

 

[Jinx666]

Too bad people in the UK cant see imgur rip

 

[Samael_010]

where his enhanced sense, smell, vision, hearing go

 

[M3X_2.0]

I still think extraordinary is more consistent than supergenius.

I can agree with that.

 

[M3X_2.0]

where his enhanced sense, smell, vision, hearing go

Hmm weird, pretty sure I had written down…

I’ll put it back soon.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Also, I’ve added the range section and the optional equipment section. Probably gonna add planetary range with satellites though.

I talked with @Emirp sumitpo and I think the profile has way too much tabbers. What do you guys think?

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

"Father... I shall become the largest character revision on this site"

Until I and the Gang update the Doctor

Energy Manipulation (Has anti-matter<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:M3X_2.0/PCBatmanProfile?useskin=fandomdesktop#cite_note-104"><span>[</span>104<span>]</span></a>)

Why this is type as Anti-matter, it said Dark matter, also I could put the effect that it nullifed Doctor Light's power becuase it not generate/block light

Still reading but so far good

 

[DaReaperMan]

Gonna make you sad: Igmur is banned in the UK, so uh, I recommend switching to literally anything else for scans, with my recommendation being Imgchest

 

[M3X_2.0]

Out of question, it’s nearly a thousand if not more scans. I guess they just won’t be able to see it.

 

[Tomfer]

What do you guys think?

I think it's mostly fine, I think a few can go like the bombs tabber, can go into general equipment, and the Equipment resistance can go into regular resistance or general equipment.

 

[Baken384]

agree with this batman revision... he finally solos...

 

[LordTracer]

Absolutely fantastic. I have a couple gripes, namely the two “overall” statements in his speed and lifting strength justification, since they’re kinda just fluff and don’t really need to be there. Also, the mentions of Captain America and Taskmaster in his martial arts justification. I’m pretty sure JLA/Avengers isn’t usable for scaling, but I might be wrong. Aside from those minor things, I think the new profile looks incredible.

This is low-key inspiring me to finish my Wonder Woman revision

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

The profile looks great and fantastic, and I feel really bad for nitpicking, but

He has also held his own against or defeated some of the greatest fighters across universes, such as Captain America and Taskmaster.

I don't think we can use crossovers

Other than that, it looks perfect

 

[Eseseso]

Absolute cinema.

Btw for magic, didn't Batman learn some magic from Zatanna that let him create a magic power suit strong enough to one-shot some evil versions of Superman?

I can try finding the scan

 

[Samael_010]

We accept the crossover as a one sided canon, right? I can't find the blog but the evidence that its accepted long ago is in this thread

 

[M3X_2.0]

I was using the exact Busiek statement to support this but if it’s not accepted then it’s fine. He was clear cut that it’s acknowledged by both companies so I thought it was fine to use.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Absolute cinema.

Btw for magic, didn't Batman learn some magic from Zatanna that let him create a magic power suit strong enough to one-shot some evil versions of Superman?

I can try finding the scan

I think that’s Post Flashpoint.

 

[Hellbeast]

Absolutely fantastic. I have a couple gripes, namely the two “overall” statements in his speed and lifting strength justification, since they’re kinda just fluff and don’t really need to be there. Also, the mentions of Captain America and Taskmaster in his martial arts justification. I’m pretty sure JLA/Avengers isn’t usable for scaling, but I might be wrong. Aside from those minor things, I think the new profile looks incredible.

It’s cursed but those are canon so they should be there

 

[Hellbeast]

I think that’s Post Flashpoint.

It is
Which reminds me, Post-Flashpoint should get most of this since he’s vaguely meant to have experienced a lot of PC’s major events and by Death Metal all characters are a “composite” of their past

 

[Antvasima]

The profile looks great and fantastic, and I feel really bad for nitpicking, but

I don't think we can use crossovers

Agreed.

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, except for Supergenius intelligence and scaling from crossovers, I think that this seems fine to apply.

Edit: You also need a header image that is more vertically aligned, with Batman standing upright.