You’re upset that certain people have feats of scaling.
Where? I haven't seen any good feat of scaling
Burning someone and wounding them to where they need medical attention = scaling. The OP said no.
What, you think Marco just stood there and took hits for the entire encounter?
His DF was a natural counter to Kizaru's. If it was Kizaru vs Jozu, then the result would've been rather easily a victory for Kizaru. If it was Marco vs Aokiji, Marco just flies away lmao. Kizaru had a bad match-up.
Everything you just said is based on nothing.
Jozu didn't counter anything. He tackled him and drew blood.
Aokiji was visibly caught off-guard, he had mere seconds to react to Jozu. It's no wonder he took damage.
Kenbun user who used it to dodge a stab from WB and sees Jozu before he hits him and is shown to turn his face to ice in preparation for his attack is apparently off guard
They failed to hurt him. Not because of an AP advantage, but because of failing to negate his logia powers.
Correct me if I am wrong, but don't haki and AP go hand in hand? If I, an average human, punch Akainu with full mastery of armament haki, I still shouldn't be expected to do anything. But Garp, being the immensely powerful bastard that he is, should punch clean through Akainu (this is debatable but beyond the scope of this post). If Marco and Vista were on par with Akainu, then they with their AP and haki should naturally be able to hurt Akainu.ergo
You misunderstood everything I said.
They failed to turn him tangible enough to hurt him, which is why he just reformed from his wounds in his logia state.
Whereas someone like WB with superior Haki could hit him regularly.
Do you think Aokiji is fodder compared to Akainu? Because he took damage from Jozu who is on par with Marco and Vista. While the latter two could not harm Akainu.
No, I think Aokiji is a goat compared to Akainu, and Jozu, Marco, and Vista are up there on his level
"Fellow commanders".
We don't scale by rank. We scale by feats, which all of them have.
Therein lies an inherent problem, for One Piece itself scales by rank. The only two outliers I know to this rule are Garp (who has an actual stated reason for being Vice Admiral), Buggy (who should be the Pirate King, logically) and I guess Mihawk. Everyone else fits neatly into their rank. I'm not saying generalise and scale persons SOLELY off of rank. But it does help quite a bit.
One Piece doesn't scale by rank.
Vice Admirals don't even scale by rank. They're all superior to each other.
Doflamingo's executives don't scale by rank.
The calamities don't scale by rank.
Whitebeard's crew doesn't scale by rank.
Marco's the right hand of Whitebeard. You didn't say this there.
The pirate crews of old were on a different level than the new gen, that shouldn't be a controversial statement. The Rocks Pirates, Roger's crew, Shiki (who's clash with prime Garp and Sengoku destroyed half of Marineford), etc. Rayleigh was apart of the older generation and shouldn't have been too far behind prime Roger. The same guy who fought alongside Garp to crush the Rocks pirates. How do you not get the gap between someone like him and Marco?
Everything you said was opinionated.
Marco was a kid when he, Oden, and WB, fought against Roger's crew for 3 days, then he got stronger over a 20 year gap.
Marco fought Big Mom who fought Kaido who fought Oden who fought Whitebeard. There is no huge gap.
Offsite scaling has it to where this is the meta.
1. Pirate King
2. Yonko
3. Admirals and Old Gen Commanders
4. Commanders
5. Lower Commanders
6. Everybody else
Shiki's crew was full of fodder except him. WB's crew was full of everybody on his crew now except Oden, and he was still one of the strongest crews.
The Rocks is a clear outlier to this fact. Roger's crew is full of a bunch of randoms except Rayleigh and Gaban.
You keep scaling off of "should be"s and it's based on nothing except that. You haven't proved... anything in fact.
Yes, Whitebeard is apart of the old gen too but Marco was not his right hand during the old era. Marco's simply of a different breed and there is no evidence to suggest he is even vaguely on par with Rayleigh.
Marco ~ Kizaru ~ Rayleigh
Let's not forget btw that Kizaru found difficulty against Marco because of his DF, a quick look to their fight on youtube shows that. While Rayleigh was POUND per POUND matching Kizaru.
That was a small portion of their fight, not the entire thing.
P.S I'm a manga reader and haven't really watched the anime, how valid are scenes such as this to overall canon? I.e how are they treated in VSBW:
That's in the manga as well. Doesn't mean much unless it's stated in the manga.
