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I just misunderstood your comment, I thought you were trying to say that the WoV was erased using that video, my bad.
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Oh then it's fine! don't worry about it!
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Is it alright if we can just please add what's been agreed upon by both Staffers and Participants Please?
That of course would be:
Void Manipulation (or at least a mention of him being to convert things in a nonexistent state back to existence since I believe a staff member wants to avoid redundancy) for Super Shenron
Existence Erasure Upgrade (able to bypass a layer of resistance) for Zeno
NPI Upgrade (can Interact and affect abstract entities) for Zeno
The General Consensus is that everyone seems to agree on these three
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This is correct, tho I remember someone disagreeing with NPI for Zeno.
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So, Zeno can erase ghosts, space, abstract beings made of pure thoughts, yet his NPI is invalid?
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Yes. He can Also potentially erase voids and nothingness, space times, spirits and even more.
But nah these are totally not NPI feats
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I agree. Tbh, I think for the best because this thread was severely drailed to just have these iimplimneted, and leave void manga either after we finish implementing them or for another thread as a whole.
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This is fine with me.
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Ruphas_Mafahl123
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This is probably fine to apply now, yes.
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eh well, someone unlock the profile to apply the revision
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Also what about Zen'ō NPI have (can affect and erase abstract entities, can possibly affect void and nothingess)????
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Also what about Zen'ō NPI have (can affect and erase abstract entities, can possibly affect void and nothingess)????
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Seems like these part got rejected.
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Not rejected, still debated. We are letting it as the last thing since void manipulation is not that significant , prolly I'm either going to continue debating it after the revision or just create a new thread
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When you have the time, can you please come and open the pages
Please and Thank You
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Okay. Tell me here when you are done.
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Alright, i'm done editting, you guys can check if i miss or wrong something
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I would change Zeno's EE to possibly affecting abstracts since the crux of it is based on a "possibly" type 1 AE for Astral Zamasu.
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I concur with Axiom
After that, I think we are done here.
I believe he did. Nothing regarding the NPI has any mention of / relation to the WoV
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Not sure honestly
I don't know if the debaters are done debating about WoV and the possibility on Zeno gaining Void Manipulation etc...
FOR NOW, I think we should just leave the thread open... Give them time... See if they will come back with more arguments and continue the debate
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I'll post arguments for Void manipulation either later today or at Sunday . Probably the former
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THE WORLD OF VOID:
I'll be explaining why the world of void is a void [do we even have standards for these?]
1- the world of void, by its name is a void, when we first saw it, we saw nothing in it. The clouds are an artistic choice so we can actually see the world of void [despite having nothing to see]. The are there so when the tournament can happen, we would ne able to see the fighters.
2 - the World of void is stated to be [either via GP or whis] or the null world " a world with no space or time, filed with eternal emptiness and nothingness". Pretty clear cut statement of being a void.
Counter arguments time!!:
"Hit can use his time abilities , meaning the null world has time". 1-No, it just means he can use his time abilities in a place without time. 2- he has stored time, aka he can use his stored time to use his abilities .
"Anilaza can bend space, meaning space exists" 3-that's true, how ever, when Goku visited future xeno, he was able to move, and use the time machine Freely, reminding you future zeno was floating in a place without space, time or matter, because space time was literally distroyed. before you stay. "Well then if goku can time travel to a place without time, then time is actually there" no. Because Zeno was repeatedly stated to have destroyed the entire timeline, even the time ring [Which represents timeline(s)] was destroyed. It's just that time machine can time travel to a place without time. And even if you aren't convinced, when two gods fight [Or just play slightly seriously ] it effects two separate space times, but when they fought in the null world, space time wasn't effected because it wasn't there. And even if you aren't convinced, GO could've added space time, but only to the stage as a part of his preparation [He even added gravity.]
So yes, the world of void is a true void., and zeno is able to erase/erased it [along the future timeline]. Why he is capeable of doing so? Because he was stated to be able to destroy/erase all of existence and anything he wishes in An instant, including the world of void.
I'll be explaining why the world of void is a void [do we even have standards for these?]
1- the world of void, by its name is a void, when we first saw it, we saw nothing in it. The clouds are an artistic choice so we can actually see the world of void [despite having nothing to see]. The are there so when the tournament can happen, we would ne able to see the fighters.
2 - the World of void is stated to be [either via GP or whis] or the null world " a world with no space or time, filed with eternal emptiness and nothingness". Pretty clear cut statement of being a void.
Counter arguments time!!:
"Hit can use his time abilities , meaning the null world has time". 1-No, it just means he can use his time abilities in a place without time. 2- he has stored time, aka he can use his stored time to use his abilities .
"Anilaza can bend space, meaning space exists" 3-that's true, how ever, when Goku visited future xeno, he was able to move, and use the time machine Freely, reminding you future zeno was floating in a place without space, time or matter, because space time was literally distroyed. before you stay. "Well then if goku can time travel to a place without time, then time is actually there" no. Because Zeno was repeatedly stated to have destroyed the entire timeline, even the time ring [Which represents timeline(s)] was destroyed. It's just that time machine can time travel to a place without time. And even if you aren't convinced, when two gods fight [Or just play slightly seriously ] it effects two separate space times, but when they fought in the null world, space time wasn't effected because it wasn't there. And even if you aren't convinced, GO could've added space time, but only to the stage as a part of his preparation [He even added gravity.]
So yes, the world of void is a true void., and zeno is able to erase/erased it [along the future timeline]. Why he is capeable of doing so? Because he was stated to be able to destroy/erase all of existence and anything he wishes in An instant, including the world of void.
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At first, I didn't believe that World of Void was real void and its description was simply fancy words when it was really just an empty space full of air, gravity and spacetime in anyway (not even close to Timeless voids like Dark dimension/Void in MCU or ben 10's case )
However after checking the descriptions again, I realized Grand Priest had declared it literally Nothing aka Real Void, And he also added so everyone can fight in it (Tournament of Power) without worry Anything Because It Was Nothing In The First Place
However after checking the descriptions again, I realized Grand Priest had declared it literally Nothing aka Real Void, And he also added so everyone can fight in it (Tournament of Power) without worry Anything Because It Was Nothing In The First Place
大神官）無の界は 文字どおり 何もありませんので 思う存分 戦っていただいて 構いません。
Great Priest: The Realm of Void is just as its name. Since there is nothing in there, you can fight to your heart's content without worrying anything.
There is literally nothing in the world of nothingness, so you can fight as much as you want. (gg translator)
Great Priest: The Realm of Void is just as its name. Since there is nothing in there, you can fight to your heart's content without worrying anything.
There is literally nothing in the world of nothingness, so you can fight as much as you want. (gg translator)
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So now we have two statements of wov being an actual void. First being Beerus's statement where he states that "wov is an place without space or time, filled only with eternal nothingness"
And the second being this by gp
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Oh weall, Whis/Beerus stating that the Null world is spaceless timeless void, filled with eternal emptiness and nothingness, plus GP stating that the name of it [Null of world] is what gives its description, and also stating it's nothing.
Sooo...World of void is a true void gg?
Sooo...World of void is a true void gg?
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Question. Why is the WoV being compared to the Trunk's erased future? There is nothing to really compare, just statements and that's all, it really changes nothing unless you toss in a whole load of assumptions in to the argument.
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Because Future Zeno erased Trunks timeline which contain it own WoV
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Oh, I see. This whole thing kinda makes me ask a few other questions about the timeline erasure.
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Can somebody clarify if Zamasu is currently considered to have abstract existence or not, and if so, how, please? It seems very counter-intuitive to me.
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So, see I was thinking, see, maybe next time I'll try gathering fighters from all the universes, see...We'll do a tournament then, see. Sometime soon, see.Zen’ō to Goku after watching his fight with Hit Zen'ō (全王ぜんおう?, lit. "Omni-King") is the king of all of the twelve universes in the Dragon...
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Zamasu does have abstract existence, it's on the profile, he gets it for being the manifestation of zamasu's will or something like that.Can somebody clarify if Zamasu is currently considered to have abstract existence or not please? It seems very counter-intuitive to me.
Zen'ō (Anime)
So, see I was thinking, see, maybe next time I'll try gathering fighters from all the universes, see...We'll do a tournament then, see. Sometime soon, see.Zen’ō to Goku after watching his fight with Hit Zen'ō (全王ぜんおう?, lit. "Omni-King") is the king of all of the twelve universes in the Dragon...
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Yes he has, there was a staff thread about it, it got accepted.Can somebody clarify if Zamasu is currently considered to have abstract existence or not, and if so, how, please? It seems very counter-intuitive to me.
Zen'ō (Anime)
So, see I was thinking, see, maybe next time I'll try gathering fighters from all the universes, see...We'll do a tournament then, see. Sometime soon, see.Zen’ō to Goku after watching his fight with Hit Zen'ō (全王ぜんおう?, lit. "Omni-King") is the king of all of the twelve universes in the Dragon...
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It's a possibly ability so no one should receive anything because of itCan somebody clarify if Zamasu is currently considered to have abstract existence or not, and if so, how, please? It seems very counter-intuitive to me.
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So, see I was thinking, see, maybe next time I'll try gathering fighters from all the universes, see...We'll do a tournament then, see. Sometime soon, see.Zen’ō to Goku after watching his fight with Hit Zen'ō (全王ぜんおう?, lit. "Omni-King") is the king of all of the twelve universes in the Dragon...
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Pretty much what everyone is saying Ant
There was a whole thread and then a following staff only thread discussing the matter and in the end it was ruled to give IZ possibly abstract existence
Which is why I agreed with Axiom when he said it should be Noted in his NPI that Zeno can possibly erase abstract entities
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I really want to try editing a vsbattles wiki page at least once, but nah. With my luck i will probably screw up. As far as i know only a moderator can change a page right?
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