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Okay thanks
What's your stance of the other matters then if you don't mind my asking?
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What's your stance of the other matters then if you don't mind my asking?
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I agree with Zen-chan having a higher level/layer of EE/VM than the GoDs and NPI for being able to erasure Astral Zamasu (If he doesn't already have it).
The rest I'm neutral on since "voids" in fiction be weird.
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Perhaps, but it’s better than denying CRT’s over “muh inconsistent” when it really isn’t.
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I mean, it's better than confirming something that wasn't even stated nor mentioned on the show, or that we don't have enough context.
So I think it's better not to take for granted something that we don't have any idea about.
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True but I don't see how "muh inconsistent" had anything to do with my post that you replied too.
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Nah, but it was directly related to my post. I was responding as a means of justifying why I made that post earlier, if that makes sense
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btw the void zeno created by nuking the future timeline looks difference from the world of void, something even goku and jiren could shake. Pretty sure zeno can nuke WOV if he wants to.
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is Hakai accepted as 4-D erasure? Because if not, Zeno shouldnt have 1 layer above of negation regarding EE, as Zeno EE is 4-D, unless normal gods Hakai also are 4-D
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Yeah, The WoV is in The future timeline [unless someone argues that GP created] was erased along the future timeline. Plus he was stated to be able to erase all of existence and anything he wishes in an instant. Seems pretty clear cut to me
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Such as what? Zeno being able to erase WoV?
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Disagree with NPI, this does not meet the standards for NEP1.
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Why NPI?
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Don't Zeno have NPI on his profile already
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How did we not see this till now???
He has it and for a completely valid reason too...
Though I guess this could just potentially give him advance/greater NPI since he can interact and affect AE Type 1 (Normal NPI can't affect AE Type 1 IIRC)
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I am fine with reality warping and existence erasure.
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Can someone provide the evidence for why the WoV isn't a "void"?
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It depends on what you mean for "Void", because surely it does have both space and time in it, and perhaps even some matter if you consider those green clouds as actual gas or stuff.
The World of Void not having space-time before the arrival of the Grand Priest needs to be proven with solid evidences, not simple assumptions.
The World of Void not having space-time before the arrival of the Grand Priest needs to be proven with solid evidences, not simple assumptions.
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Whis literally states that it's world without space or time
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I mean, we have a pretty blatant statement, so does that count?
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Yeah it was beerus my bad he said:
It's world without time and space, filled with eternal nothingness
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I fail to see how this is relevant but for the sake of consistency, I understand the motive.
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Showings/facts have more authority than statements to wiki standards.
Then a case-by-case analysis needs to be made, but if the WoV is blatantly shown multiple times to have both space and time, then Whis/Beerus' statement doesn't count.
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Not really, we know for a fact that things were added in the WoV later to suit the fighters’ necessities. It would also be strange if they didn’t add time when w literal timer exists within it. Space as well as they’re able to actually move in it. The clouds thing is pretty easy to identify as mere animation and effects.
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The world of void is stated to have no space or time, filled with nothingness and emptiness.
Which means no one will survive it it. But then, GP created the stage, gravity, a breathable atmosphere etc...
The clouds thingie are literally an artistic choice, otherwise it would be black, dark, you won't able to see anything at all, not even the fight. If you aren't convinced,the future one would still be without space, time, filled with nothingness and emptiness, which Zeno can/did erase.
Which means no one will survive it it. But then, GP created the stage, gravity, a breathable atmosphere etc...
The clouds thingie are literally an artistic choice, otherwise it would be black, dark, you won't able to see anything at all, not even the fight. If you aren't convinced,the future one would still be without space, time, filled with nothingness and emptiness, which Zeno can/did erase.
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Which times? The only way that I can think is indeed, Daishinkan (Grandpriest) creating both time and space to the fighters, and creating stuff to the fighters is a thing that he already did, such as adjusting gravity to the fighters be able to fight with the gravity of their homeworld, outside it, I don't recall any situation that contradicts WoV, maybe Hit stuff, but thats also can be explained by Daishinkan creating time there, to not make the fight unfair, and also the match be Viable to happen and as explained, he does create these stuffs to adjust the fighters conditions
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Except the Whis/Beerus statement is solid, many interpretations for why the WoV has space and time.
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Can I see evidences of the Grand Priest actually creating space and time?
People keep saying it, but no one has yet provided anything.
Regarding the times space and time were shown:
Space: The characters, attacks and objects can move around, speed is a relevant thing in there, falling down the arena is how you lose, Anilaza can create portals, Toppo and the GP could warp space (i.e. altering the colors of the whole dimension), Jimizu's teleportation worked.
Time: A timer is set for the tournament as a whole, Hit can both skip and stop time, people from all the universes could watch the tournament being streamed in real time.
There's probably more stuff I'm forgetting, but if no ones provides evidences of the GP introducing space and time, then Beerus' statement doesn't hold any authority against what is listed above.
People keep saying it, but no one has yet provided anything.
Regarding the times space and time were shown:
Space: The characters, attacks and objects can move around, speed is a relevant thing in there, falling down the arena is how you lose, Anilaza can create portals, Toppo and the GP could warp space (i.e. altering the colors of the whole dimension), Jimizu's teleportation worked.
Time: A timer is set for the tournament as a whole, Hit can both skip and stop time, people from all the universes could watch the tournament being streamed in real time.
There's probably more stuff I'm forgetting, but if no ones provides evidences of the GP introducing space and time, then Beerus' statement doesn't hold any authority against what is listed above.
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Reverse burden of proof, literally.
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How? I'm literally only asking the source of something you all are claiming, that's the basis.
If you want evidences of what I listed in my previous post, then I will link videos tomorrow.
If you want evidences of what I listed in my previous post, then I will link videos tomorrow.
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Actually you trying to proof a negative since the basis of the argument is based on subjective assumptions rather than any objective evidence. I too agree with @SamanPatou PoV.
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I thought I tagged the comment... Wasn't directed to this comment, my bad.
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See above
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Moving and existing in spaceless timeless areas is a thing in fiction. In fact Zeno and goku did it.
long story short: zeno erased the entirety of the future timeline, even the time ring was destroyed [It represents timelines, was stated multiple times to have erased the timeline, so the argument "Maybe he didn't erase it" doesn't work at all], literally it became a void, yet movement was still possible and time travel too . .
so really it's not inconsistency or proof of space time not existing. in fact it just proves That DB character can use space and time related abilities despise The absence of it.
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Still, that doesn't prove that his erasure reached or deleated the WoV
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Okay, nice. In my comment, when did I say "Oh this proves he erased the WoV"? It seems like you are just typing for the sake of typing, at least...read what are you going to respond to, okay?
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Ok bro, chill
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I wasn't angry at all, it was genuine advice to help you improve your debating skill, believe me, reading is an integral part of understanding the opposite side.
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