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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

idk, but since you mentioned infinite speed that will require a very strong evidence, stronger than the evidence for the current 3A/low 2C rating which everyone here knows how much it took to get it accepted lol so I wont bother myself with that if I were you tbh
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
  • Fairly certain you can interpret the Ginjo quote differently/VIZ translated it weird
  • Increasing speed is not the only way to increase the energy of lightning bolts, mass increases energy too, if you have an issue with the sub-lightning speed Candice then argue the novels aren’t canon. Nevertheless, they exist big whoop, Bleach is slower than you thought.
  • base Yhwach > Shikai Yama > CFYOW Byakuya > Giant Gerard ~ no eyepatch Shikai Kenny > 7 Gremmy. Aka Gremmy with his clones is beneath base Yhwach.

The end of the day CFYOW hasn’t brought in any contradictions (that are significant) that cant be explained away by altering your interpretation. Prime example, young Baraggan ~ Ikomikidomoe, some people argue that means Espada Baraggan solos CFYOW Grimmjow (which is controversial and can bring up scaling contradictions imo), however that can be argued away by saying younger Baraggan was stronger or if you wanna die on Espada Baraggan being a top tier of the verse, you can argue stuff like Grimmjow not having any scaling in TYBW or Tsukishima getting weaker. The novels don’t have these big contradictions if you take time to think, it just has scaling that is “unpopular”.
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Ikomikidomoe was weak as Barragan and became stronger over time by eating other Hollows. I think this is mentioned or at least implied to be the case.
 
YukaSama4 said:
idk, but since you mentioned infinite speed that will require a very strong evidence, stronger than the evidence for the current 3A/low 2C rating which everyone here knows how much it took to get it accepted lol so I wont bother myself with that if I were you tbh
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If instantaneous attack is the same thing with infinite attack speed , then yes he should have infinite attack speed.

Because when he aims at you, you are basically getting pierced instantly. His attack is instant no speed whatsoever . X-Axis just erases everything between him and his target.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
  • Fairly certain you can interpret the Ginjo quote differently/VIZ translated it weird
  • Increasing speed is not the only way to increase the energy of lightning bolts, mass increases energy too, if you have an issue with the sub-lightning speed Candice then argue the novels aren’t canon. Nevertheless, they exist big whoop, Bleach is slower than you thought.
  • base Yhwach > Shikai Yama > CFYOW Byakuya > Giant Gerard ~ no eyepatch Shikai Kenny > 7 Gremmy. Aka Gremmy with his clones is beneath base Yhwach.

The end of the day CFYOW hasn’t brought in any contradictions (that are significant) that cant be explained away by altering your interpretation. Prime example, young Baraggan ~ Ikomikidomoe, some people argue that means Espada Baraggan solos CFYOW Grimmjow (which is controversial and can bring up scaling contradictions imo), however that can be argued away by saying younger Baraggan was stronger or if you wanna die on Espada Baraggan being a top tier of the verse, you can argue stuff like Grimmjow not having any scaling in TYBW or Tsukishima getting weaker. The novels don’t have these big contradictions if you take time to think, it just has scaling that is “unpopular”.
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Definitely not gonna argue of the novels are canon or not lol, but if you’re so focused on Candice’s arrows being slower than regular lightning speed when characters that are faster than regular lightning speed say it, then you should adhere to the other things they say in the novel.

Prime example being, you saying you can interpret Ginjo’s quote about his getsuga being as strong as Ichigo’s strongest one. I 100% agree that’s not true, but at best you can say it’s equal to FB Bankai Ichigo’s getsuga. Couple that in with the quote that Ginjo would put up a fight against Hikone then I think Ginjo’s and FB bankai Ichigo’s profiles should have that justification added into their ap
 
Can Madara Uchiha's rinnegan absorb Hado 99 before it can absorb Susano'o? Or will Hado 99 detonate and blow up his rinnegone?
 
I guess another problem is that it is not specified the version like shikai, bankai or even previous form, just the name of the characters, narita never like to specify this things too much, and give kinda contradictory feats for mid top tiers scaling at least that’s my opinion on the matter, but whatever I think the current scaling is pretty much safe and follow Kubo‘s scaling too.
Deathberry said:
If instantaneous attack is the same thing with infinite attack speed , then yes he should have infinite attack speed.

Because when he aims at you, you are basically getting pierced instantly. His attack is instant no speed whatsoever . X-Axis just erases everything between him and his target.
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I don’t really think it is enough, same way they rejected almighty being infinite speed, x axis is more something that just spatial pierce anything between 2 target.
 
AppleLord said:
Can Madara Uchiha's rinnegan absorb Hado 99 before it can absorb Susano'o? Or will Hado 99 detonate and blow up his rinnegone?
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Rinnegan can absorbs only energy sources near the user iirc, Hado 99 has a far higher range, doesn’t it absorbs energy from the planet core or some like that?
 
Tyri456 said:
Rinnegan can absorbs only energy sources near the user iirc, Hado 99 has a far higher range, doesn’t it absorbs energy from the planet core or some like that?
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Hado 99 are five energy dragons that absorb energy in the area aka clean the battlefield but it also uses that power to enhanced its AP and can detonate too.
 
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Oh I also totally forgot to mention about Candice’s attack speed, iirc we accept her cloud to ground lightning as actual lightning speed but her arrows are the sub-lightning speed attacks.
 
AppleLord said:
Hado 99 are five energy dragons that absorb energy in the area aka clean the battlefield but it also uses that power to enhanced its AP and can detonate too.
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gonna go Hadou 99, cus the rinnegan only absorbs stuff throw at the user, it does not really have range while H99 has a wide range
 
Ssr4vegito said:
Well it does say they have comparable reiatsu and people use it for scaling Nobles to each other but honestly i see it like Yama and Aizen situation where they have comparable reiatsu but one edges out other in terms raw AP and other skills
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Does Yoru ever been training or impled she does before TYBW arc? I mean lets just say she's not then imagine when she does training like Byakuya.
 
Thehunter077 said:
Does Yoru ever been training or impled she does before TYBW arc? I mean lets just say she's not then imagine when she does training like Byakuya.
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I think it is more of she was already near the top since the beginning so training won't unearth more potential unlike with Byakuya, Renji, and a lot of the other younger characters.

Going by FKT arc, Aizen and Yama are the peak, Unohana is like 1/2 a level below them. Shunsui and Ukitake are the next level below.

Then there's like the other Captains and Vaizards who are 2 or even 3 levels below Aizen.

Here I'm just using levels loosely.

The way Yoruichi, Urahara, and Isshin are presented, they are more like the Shunsui level than the levels below. They are pretty close to maxing out their potential as Shinigami.

As for guys like Byakuya, Toshiro, and Renji, they still had a lot of potential to unearth.

Of course there's Kenpachi but his issues are different so just ignore him.

I'm not saying Byakuya was not strong pre-TYBW but he would be out of place in the Aizen fight.
 
Tyri456 said:
Rinnegan can absorbs only energy sources near the user iirc, Hado 99 has a far higher range, doesn’t it absorbs energy from the planet core or some like that?
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Yeah it absorbed a ocean of energy and it's created from earths ley lines or energy grid . However kisuke modified his to hack into the spirit energy auroa subjugated instead of ley lines
 
I don’t think Kisuke would beat Lille but Askin just poisons no diff.
Gitagon said:
I think it is more of she was already near the top since the beginning so training won't unearth more potential unlike with Byakuya, Renji, and a lot of the other younger characters.

Going by FKT arc, Aizen and Yama are the peak, Unohana is like 1/2 a level below them. Shunsui and Ukitake are the next level below.

Then there's like the other Captains and Vaizards who are 2 or even 3 levels below Aizen.

Here I'm just using levels loosely.

The way Yoruichi, Urahara, and Isshin are presented, they are more like the Shunsui level than the levels below. They are pretty close to maxing out their potential as Shinigami.

As for guys like Byakuya, Toshiro, and Renji, they still had a lot of potential to unearth.

Of course there's Kenpachi but his issues are different so just ignore him.

I'm not saying Byakuya was not strong pre-TYBW but he would be out of place in the Aizen fight.
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I think Yoruichi only reaches the top tier in FKT since in SS Soifon was bopping her base and she ran from Byakuya and thought none of the Ryoka (which she is part of) could beat him.
 
Damn.

Yhwach: "You will be the leader of my elite force, Lille Barro."
Lille: "But sir, they are stronger than me. What shall I do if they get drunk?"
Yhwach: "Run, bitch! Run!"
 
Khaostichny said:
??? Saying that is like saying that Askin stomps Lille Barro. And that Urahara would easily beat Lillie Barro.
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No? Mayuri did better than Zaraki against Pernida but he isn't above Zaraki, this is not how it works especially if Quincies abilities are involved in the equation.
And again Kisuke stomps Kyoraku easily.
 
YukaSama4 said:
Aizen said that Kisuke was his equal in the time of Karakura and if it wasn't for the Hogyoku he would have lost against him, in CFYOW we are told that Kisuke can one-shot Tokinada with one Kido spell and Tokinada was stronger than Kyoraku.
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Aizen said Urahara was more intelligent than him and surpassed him. Not equals.
 
YukaSama4 said:
No, after he evolved he said to Kisuke "we are no longer equals"
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Before he evolved Urahara would had killed him. Aizen's own words.

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AppleLord said:
Before he evolved Urahara would had killed him. Aizen's own words.

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I think aizen is just saying kisuke tech would have killed him if not for they hogyoku. Plus hogyoku aizen is cocky. He feels he doesn't need to take precaution. Due to being leagues stronger than everyone.

Kisuke doesn't scale to base aizen
 
Yeah that's point. Deicide arc Aizen has made contradictory statements like these , so it's better to properly look at the context behind them
 
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