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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

ShakeResounding said:
5: Deathless Immortality: Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as Existence Erasure are needed to destroy them.

Enerjak's avatars don't affect the real Enerjak
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Idea: Since you are more knowledgable of Enerjak's immortality than I, could you write a quick summary about it and I can add it to Enerjak's Notable Attacks/Techniques:?
 
Also IDK if anyone knows this already, but that Bumbleking QNA with Ian Flynn which gave us info on the Super Genesis Wave isn't on the website anymore.
There's probably still an archive of it out there but yeah
 
ElixirBlue said:
Well, we do have some archive info in Archie's homepage but I'm curious what was on there.
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It was one of the QNAs that Ian Flynn did there. You might know which one, considering it's the same one where Flynn stated the Super Genesis Wave affected the entirety of existence and erased the Chaos Force from the Post Genesis continuity
 
Sort of, unrelated couple of questions but
1. Should each timeline in the games have its own version of the different dimensions like special stages or Maginaryworld, or are they just considered shared amongst all timelines.
2. Is there solid proof that each individual special stage is unique and universe-sized.
 
JJSliderman said:
1. Should each timeline in the games have its own version of the different dimensions like special stages or Maginaryworld, or are they just considered shared amongst all timelines.
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I'm... Unsure. Probably a no to the Maginaryworld bit.
2. Is there solid proof that each individual special stage is unique and universe-sized.
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Yes sir. Things such as Nack being said to come from another dimension that's a Special Stage, each special stage of Sonic 1 being referred to as a "trap universe", and there being multiple different special stages within the same game lend to this. There's only one Sonic game where the Chaos Emerald gathering all take place in the same special stage iirc, though I forgot which one.
 
I think it’s Chaos or Triple Trouble, they say “go save the five emeralds from the parallel universe”

Can you link the “trap universe” line for context. Wanna make sure it’s not a scenario like “multiple stages in one universe”
That’s a shame, I was hoping we could get something like 326*number of dimensions for the universe count.
 
JJSliderman said:
Can you link the “trap universe” line for context. Wanna make sure it’s not a scenario like “multiple stages in one universe”
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Don't mean to be lazy but I'm on a road trip atm with barely any service. Check the Psuedo-Resistance to BFR justification on Sonic/Shadow's profile. (Sorry!)
That’s a shame, I was hoping we could get something like 326*number of dimensions for the universe count.
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It'd be nice for sure, though I think it's neither confirmed nor denied that things like the Sol Emeralds would have their own, alternate Special Stages. It's a possibility for sure and even makes some sense, but I don't think it'd be valid to assume so.
 
The secret zone thing doesn’t actually say universe in it.
Interesting.

Nack’s thing just says he comes from another world, not explicitly a special stage. And most of the games that have the special stages as separate, don’t explicitly call each one a universe. So I’m kind of on the fence.
 
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Well ah.
I guess I’d have to see that at some point.
If he was born in one special stage, singular.
That makes sense.
 
Remus1998 said:
How high into FTL+ are Game Sonic characters who scale to it. (Infinite, Forces Sonic etc.)?
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The Boost technique scales to the Super Peel Out (a 4x speed multiplier), which Infinite side-stepped. Which would mean Infinite and those comparable scale over 36c. I don't think we actually mention that in the profile, so I'll bundle it up in a CRT somewhere. As of the profiles now, I guess they're vaguely early on into FTL+
 
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Aight found the Nack quote.
It says he lives in subspace and collects Chaos Emeralds.
Not explicitly saying it's universe sized, and not necessarily that he lives in one special stage.
Hmm...
 
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Stolen btw
 
Couple quick questions regarding Super form speeds:

1. Should the nonaggression zone feat really count for speed? I know that there is suspension of disbelief in fiction, but the feat being legit would require Gemerl to fall to Earth from Lightyears away without being guided by anything, which seems maybe a little too convenient.

2. Should the quote from Eggman regarding the Chaos Emerald’s power justify the super forms scaling above the Egg Blaster’s speed? I know the actual super forms have their own scaling to the verse’s god tiers, but Eggman only seems to want them for their unimaginable “power”. Is it justified as speed included because the Emeralds also buff speed?
 
1: Yes, they objectively already are far away from Earth regardless of the number we use. It being lightyears or simply in the far Solar System, it's still impropable, the writters simply didn't think of it

2: Sonic's whole thing is speed, reason why Eggman always makes mechs to catch that hedgehog, it makes more sense to scale it to speed than it does to scale it to power based on how much Eggman builds mechs to catch him
 
Considering that Eggman has built Mechs that can keep up and even catch Super Sonic, it's pretty safe to assume that Eggman can build machines that can reach Super Sonic's speed
 
JJSliderman said:
So he can already match Sonic’s speed with machines and just seeks the Emeralds to gain a speed advantage?
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Yeah. Eggman's machines can keep up with Sonic all the time. It's just that Sonic is way too skilled for Eggman to defeat him (such as with the Egg Dragoon, that was literally built to counter his fighting style, yet he destroyed it anyways)
 
JJSliderman said:
So he can already match Sonic’s speed with machines and just seeks the Emeralds to gain a speed advantage?
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No, he can't, I don't know what Gilad is saying, but Sonic is always portrayed as being faster than Eggman's mechs, such as beating Metal Sonic in multiple races, they only scale to his casual speed
 
Yeah I mean, if Eggman can already build machines that can keep up with Super Sonic to any degree (like in the game where the statement is made).
And this was before things like ‘06 or the nonaggression feat. Then I don’t know how well that adds to the idea that the Emeralds provide “unimaginable speed” from Eggman’s perspective at the time.
 
JJSliderman said:
Yeah I mean, if Eggman can already build machines that can keep up with Super Sonic to any degree (like in the game where the statement is made).
And this was before things like ‘06 or the nonaggression feat. Then I don’t know how well that adds to the idea that the Emeralds provide “unimaginable speed” from Eggman’s perspective at the time.
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Except those machines shouldn't really scale to Super Sonic, they are huge outliers for Eggman tech in general and Eggman has plenty of anti-feats against Super Sonic, they should be downgrade to unknown a long time ago
 
Anti-feats, really, Eggman tech has plenty of anti-feats against Super Sonic, Biolizard was using the power of the emeralds and Devil Doom could only be harmed in his eye. They are different cases
 
Theuser789 said:
Anti-feats, really, Eggman tech has plenty of anti-feats against Super Sonic, Biolizard was using the power of the emeralds and Devil Doom could only be harmed in his eye. They are different cases
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Speaking of Doom, Sonic Team never did expand on the implications that the Black Arms and Wisp were related (Which also has colourful implications for Shadow if you think about it).
 
Theuser789 said:
Anti-feats, really, Eggman tech has plenty of anti-feats against Super Sonic, Biolizard was using the power of the emeralds and Devil Doom could only be harmed in his eye. They are different cases
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So Eggman outpacing SS in the Eggmobile in Unleashed is also an outlier?
 
JJSliderman said:
So Eggman outpacing SS in the Eggmobile in Unleashed is also an outlier?
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It would be if that actualy happened and you ignored the context of the scene

Sonic was barely trying to catch him, taking several detours multiple times to destroy the ships, meanwhile Eggman was at his trying to escape to him, this is like using the "Eggman outruns Sonic on foot" argument. Plus later on in the game base Sonic outpaces the eggmobile
 
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