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DC Street Tier Speed Revision

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LordTracer said:
Yes, actually, you do need to prove that Slade doesn’t actually mean what he’s saying.

Still qualifies as combat speed.

Says who? And even if that was the case, that doesn’t mean he’s toying with her, testing her, holding back or anything else you’ve come up with.
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Since Slade merely used it for distraction, this statement shouldn't be credible. Afterwards, with they way he brings up "getting into your head" has some strong "haha got you *****" energy
Not necessarily. One can run at the speed of sound but still not be able to do a backflip.
Toying with her makes sense as that's exactly what he did with her in the other fight, and arguably the "getting into your head" moment. And what else does it mean, with Slade being so casual with something seemingly far superior to him?
 
Da_Lunge_Fish said:
Since Slade merely used it for distraction, this statement shouldn't be credible. Afterwards, with they way he brings up "getting into your head" has some strong "haha got you *****" energy
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This is exactly what you need to be proving lmao. Also if Slade was just bullshitting, why would he bring up him doing exactly what he said previously, and Cass literally confirming what he said?
Da_Lunge_Fish said:
Not necessarily. One can run at the speed of sound but still not be able to do a backflip.
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I said combat speed. Combat. Not movement speed. Running at the speed of sound is movement speed.
Da_Lunge_Fish said:
Toying with her makes sense as that's exactly what he did with her in the other fight, and arguably the "getting into your head" moment. And what else does it mean, with Slade being so casual with something seemingly far superior to him?
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This is literally the first time they’ve fought, you can’t use a later fight in an attempt to justify your headcanon lmao. And I literally never said Cass was far superior to Slade, I’ve said at least twice that I think he should scale/downscale so…
 
LordTracer said:
is exactly what you need to be proving lmao. Also if Slade was just bullshitting, why would he bring up him doing exactly what he said previously, and Cass literally confirming what he said?

I said combat speed. Combat. Not movement speed. Running at the speed of sound is movement speed.

This is literally the first time they’ve fought, you can’t use a later fight in an attempt to justify your headcanon lmao. And I literally never said Cass was far superior to Slade, I’ve said at least twice that I think he should scale/downscale so…
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Slade said that she’s vulnerable to him "getting into her head", proceeds to bonk her with a bob. Pretty blatant.
Irrelevant, combat or travel speed, you may punch/react at the speed of sound and still not be able to do a backflip.
Why, I can, it just may very well be an attitude Slade has to Cassandra and they way he fights her.
 
Da_Lunge_Fish said:
Slade said that she’s vulnerable to him "getting into her head", proceeds to bonk her with a bob. Pretty blatant.
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Pretty blatant that he’s proving what he said correct, yes. Your headcanon of him making something up is not pretty blatant.
Da_Lunge_Fish said:
Irrelevant, combat or travel speed, you may punch/react at the speed of sound and still not be able to do a backflip.
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Honestly this whole thing is irrelevant, her outmaneuvering Slade with acrobatics does not change that she was moving faster than him, and he was unable to even touch her.
Da_Lunge_Fish said:
Why, I can, it just may very well be an attitude Slade has to Cassandra and they way he fights her.
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”may very well” So once again, you have no definitive proof, aka, it’s your headcanon. And that’s aside from the fact that again, it’s the first time they fought, it’s completely baseless to say “he acted like this the second time, so he obviously acted like this the first time.”
 
I, as well as some other people, are looking for speed feats for the street tiers, who’ll likely be MHS+.

Reason being, two characters are stated to be as fast as lightning (yes they’re lightning users) and are constantly shown to be comparable to street tiers.

So there’s that 🤷‍♂️
 
This seems fine and self-evident to apply to me as well. Thank you for helping out.
 
Because they follow different rules and fight different scales of enemies, both in terms of speed and power.
 
Okay. I thought that Livewire is a Superman villain. Isn't it just a case of "everybody can fight everybody" nonsense, as usual?
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. I thought that Livewire is a Superman villain. Isn't it just a case of "everybody can fight everybody" nonsense, as usual?
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She was a Superman villain in the DCAU, her first ever appearance. Once she made her comic debut, she was more consistently street tier, losing to the likes of Batgirl (Stephanie Brown), Batgirl (The teleporting one), and Ravager. Those are just a few that come to mind.
 
Okay. Never mind then.
 
Antvasima said:
This seems fine and self-evident to apply to me as well. Thank you for helping out.
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It seems like I accepted this revision earlier.
 
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Antvasima said:
Okay. I thought that Livewire is a Superman villain
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Being a Superman villain doesn't mean "scales to Superman". Puzzler for example is barely 9-B and some of Superman's Post-Crisis Villains were just "Accurate man with gun" and "Person composed of metal".

For the MHS stuff it's not really consistent but if people want to go with it I really don't mind.
 
Okay. I vaguely remember Livewire being a legitimate threat to Superman, but may mix her up with her original cartoon version.
 
Sorry, my knowledge of below herald tiers is quite limited, especially in DC. Not sure how I can help here
 
Okay. Does anybody here have any suggestions in that regard?
 
Antvasima said:
This seems fine and self-evident to apply to me as well. Thank you for helping out.
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Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
The current ratings being wrong is self-evident but we still need to decide what new calcs/ratings to use.
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Antvasima said:
Okay. Does anybody here have any suggestions in that regard?
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Your help would be appreciated here.
 
Following, although I'm not sure if I can help. However, and I'm not sure if this is quite the right place to say this but while we're talking about street tier speed, is it really fine to scale PFP characters off PC ones, based on a single statement? I've always been a little suspicious of that.
 
We cannot scale the initial Post-Flashpoint era from Post-Crisis, but Post-Rebirth is probably fine.
 
Never mind. The characters who kept their histories intact Post-Flashpoint, such as Green Lantern and possibly Batman, can probably scale from their own feats. It turns more complicated if we scaled them from characters that were retconned though.
 
Our profiles don't really reflect that, and I'm generally a little suspicious of it but I guess that's for another day.
 
Well, I am open for input. DC's continuity is confusing for almost everybody.
 
Generally I'd prefer to use PFP stuff to tier PFP considering we don't put PC P&A in Rebirth profiles as far as I'm aware, but this is probably not the right thread. Anyway I'm going to look at the currently accepted calcs.
 
At the moment, I think the Hypersonic - High Hypersonic calcs seem the most consistent, but I can agree to Massively Hypersonic+ if we get more calcs on that level.
 
Armorchompy said:
Generally I'd prefer to use PFP stuff to tier PFP considering we don't put PC P&A in Rebirth profiles as far as I'm aware, but this is probably not the right thread. Anyway I'm going to look at the currently accepted calcs.
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Please spell out the full names rather than the abbreviations, as PFP can mean both Post-Flashpoint and Pre-Flashpoint. It is hard to understand otherwise, and the same goes for Post-Crisis and Pre-Crisis.
 
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