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dafuq? no, that is because he has extra context to his stuff like how yin and yang work, not just because of conceptual transcendenceThat's how wukong has that transduality tho.
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dafuq? no, that is because he has extra context to his stuff like how yin and yang work, not just because of conceptual transcendenceThat's how wukong has that transduality tho.
that means nothing, being unbounded by concepts is something every nep2 character has, so transdual UKG whenThe thing is, they're unbounded by every concept, conceptually. The reasoning for this is quite is similar to The Creator, I remind you.
She's not only unbounded by her own existence's concept, she is unbounded by everythang.that means nothing, being unbounded by concepts is something every nep2 character has, so transdual UKG when
Ok, but Touhou should, since boundary stuff yatta yattaI mean, not all existing concept who have all duality system each one.
However All Nep2 character have thisShe's not only unbounded by her own existence's concept, she is unbounded by everythang.
NEP2 happens when you lack your own concept of existence when Hecatia and the girls are different."she is unbounded by everythang."
Lack of everything, including physical body, mind, soul, your own concept.NEP2 happens when you lack your on concept of existence
Hmm...can you elaborate moreAnd this is same case with, lack of everything.
Very simple. Being purely nothingness which is lack of everything is make you Grant Nep 2 ability. And NEP 2≠ Transduality Type 2. Oh yea i forgot if Unbound by everything not make you to Grant Nep2.Hmm...can you elaborate more
Ok, TD2 is reaching from the start anyway, never fully agreed on it ¯\(ツ)/¯Very simple. Being purely nothingness which is lack of everything is make you Grant Nep 2 ability. And NEP 2≠ Transduality Type 2. Oh yea i forgot if Unbound by everything not make you to Grant Nep2.
Me and you have talked about this, in another place.Back to the main topic, Nep2 for God is still questionily tho.
Ahm, I literally explained to you a lot of times how is the NEP stuff. Even what are you saying is literally the same case with 2hu gods.NEP2 in here is questionily, i have my own point and you have your point. We need mod or member who expert on this term for give the best opinion.
But in Touhou, the concepts/names were the creators of the duality system in-verse:I mean, not all existing concept who have all duality system each one.
When naming something, a new border is created that makes it recognizable as one thing. You could say that the power to name is the creation to produce the object from nothingness, clearly the same power as a god’s. And because of the strength of this power, the things themselves remember their names. And that’s why I can see those names in them.
Reality as we know was shaped by the creation of boundaries, which defined a border/duality between everything. The Transduality is not only because they precede concepts, it's because they precede and are unbounded by the duality that defined the world.As far as we know, everything is built upon the existence of boundaries.
If there was no water surface, there could be no lake.
If there was no sky line, neither mountain nor sky could exist.
Were it not for the Great Barrier, even Gensokyo itself wouldn't exist.
If there were no boundaries, everything would probably exist as a single enormous object.
@Hecatia_Gaming do you still have your opinion if Transduality Type 2 still stay?Ok, TD2 is reaching from the start anyway, never fully agreed on it ¯\(ツ)/
Still not reach the conclusion right?.We've talked about this, in another place
(no?) IM still on my Argument.Ahm, I literally explained to you a lot of times how is the NEP stuff. Even what are you saying is literally the same case with 2hu gods.
And no,
It's not only Unbound. Nameless being is state of Exist before " everything " include Physical World Stuff and Non - Physical Stuff Including " Reality " got createVery simple. Being purely nothingness which is lack of everything is make you Grant Nep 2 ability. And NEP 2≠ Transduality Type 2. Oh yea i forgot if Unbound by everything not make you to Grant Nep2.
Back to the main topic, Nep2 for God is still questionily tho.
We have? Pretty sure even Z agreed on itStill not reach the conclusion right?
Well, because they aren't affected at all by it. Their true beings aren't warped or something like that when they gain a name, they are totally immutable to those changes.is preceding duality system same as transcending duality system?
Argument that I've explained throughout the thread until now.(no?) IM still on my Argument
@UdlmasterIt's not just conceptual transcendence. The reason it's because of how the cosmology in the series works, as every name defined the duality between things by creating borders when something is named. They don't transcends only the concepts, they transcends the whole dual system of the verse.
Yeah even still, I don’t think it would really apply here.
No.That's how wukong has that transduality tho.
Okay. Is somebody willing to apply this then, or are there any informed serious objections?I think Conceptual Manipulation Type 1 is fine as it is, since the criticism seems to be more levied towards the Gods, not the concepts they create. As in Mountain of Faith, Sanae Kochiya says "When people lose faith in gods, the gods lose their power. They can't manifest their divine virtues. This is the same as death, for a god.", they don't stop existing or die, they just lose their powers, like I said above, it just depowers them, not their concepts.
As for Transdualism, I agree with the removal, the single citation for it (And feel free to correct me) seems to be very vague and too open to give Transdualism.
As for Non-Existence Physiology, I don't really agree with it being on the profiles too, as the Perfect Memento in Strict Sense portion states, it's that they were everything before Names.
It seems less Non-Existence and more Omnipresence. They still existed, they were just everything, and naming them filters them down.
This ties in with other entities who become Gods themselves, like Mizue no Uranoshimako.
Conceptual Transcendent Physiology Huh ? Sound Good for me thx for bring this upI’ve not really changed my mind since my last post, I’ve more so thought on the nature of Transdualism.
It’s also given me more time to thing about the blog I made a while ago which detailed Conceptual Transcendent Physiology.
Sorry Sir I'm afraid You have to wait 6 hours + for reply cuz it's 1 - 3 AM in south asia so Have a Nice DreamOkay. Is somebody willing to apply this then, or are there any informed serious objections?
No, that’s just coming before everything, literally all Creator Gods have that trait and like 2 have Transdualism.Conceptual Transcendent Physiology Huh ? Sound Good for me thx for bring this up
Also so is Nameless being, Exist before everything born ( whatever you call ) is not Nep 2 and Tranq 2
So what it is then ?
Well, I still disagree with removing the NEP and TD. The statements regarding the first one are pretty solid and it's more than just transcending concepts. Even a mod who has knowledge on this has agreed with applying it to the profiles, so honestly, I don't think there's more to discuss for that.Okay. Is somebody willing to apply this then, or are there any informed serious objections?
I do believe that they are nonexistent down to their concept, they don't have a name and is stated to be primordial nothingnessNEP 2 is where you do not exist even conceptually, transcending Concepts doesn’t mean that.
essentially, in plain terms, transduality but without duality.Also, conceptual transcendence physiology sounds cool, what can it do, btw?
Kinda out of topic here, you can do it touhou general discussionHeadcanon, but Reimu is still vulnerable, with her "Fantasy Nature" ability, she can float past reality. (correct?), and she becomes invulnerable to attack, but the way possible to hit her is since she isn't necessarily floating past all of existence, just "the existence of reality" which is its name, how about thinking about it as floating toward the "existence of fantasy" hence the name "Fantasy Nature".
Kinda out of topic here, you can do it touhou general discussion
he/she has a point"ability downgrade"
this thread shouldn't exist then.