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Tohou ability downgrade

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Okay. If the suggestions in the first post here have been rejected, should I close this thread?
 
I think Conceptual Manipulation Type 1 is fine as it is, since the criticism seems to be more levied towards the Gods, not the concepts they create. As in Mountain of Faith, Sanae Kochiya says "When people lose faith in gods, the gods lose their power. They can't manifest their divine virtues. This is the same as death, for a god.", they don't stop existing or die, they just lose their powers, like I said above, it just depowers them, not their concepts.

As for Transdualism, I agree with the removal, the single citation for it (And feel free to correct me) seems to be very vague and too open to give Transdualism.

As for Non-Existence Physiology, I don't really agree with it being on the profiles too, as the Perfect Memento in Strict Sense portion states, it's that they were everything before Names.

It seems less Non-Existence and more Omnipresence. They still existed, they were just everything, and naming them filters them down.

This ties in with other entities who become Gods themselves, like Mizue no Uranoshimako.
 
About Transduality

The deities are unbounded from all concepts, including every duality, the reasoning for this is actually quite similar for TD3 "The Creator" from Umineko, the difference is that TC is tier 0 and Touhou is tier 2.

Infact, Touhou deities are unbounded by EVERY duality, conceptually, this should qualify for TD3 tbh.
Type 3 (True General Transduality): A state of being which is qualitatively beyond and superior to the nature of binary logic or duality at any level, including the conceptual, standing beyond the scope of all dual systems and concepts regardless of how complex they are. Such characters typically exist as contradictions within the context of their setting, and abide to dialetheic systems of logic, or are portrayed as existing within a state of single, indivisible wholeness bereft of any separation. As space and time themselves can be considered a duality, as well as the distinction between being within/outside spatio-temporal dimensionality’s limitations, this type is reserved for 1-A characters and up.
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But the verse is fine as it is.
 
Udlmaster said:
I think Conceptual Manipulation Type 1 is fine as it is, since the criticism seems to be more levied towards the Gods, not the concepts they create. As in Mountain of Faith, Sanae Kochiya says "When people lose faith in gods, the gods lose their power. They can't manifest their divine virtues. This is the same as death, for a god.", they don't stop existing or die, they just lose their powers, like I said above, it just depowers them, not their concepts.

As for Transdualism, I agree with the removal, the single citation for it (And feel free to correct me) seems to be very vague and too open to give Transdualism.

As for Non-Existence Physiology, I don't really agree with it being on the profiles too, as the Perfect Memento in Strict Sense portion states, it's that they were everything before Names.

It seems less Non-Existence and more Omnipresence. They still existed, they were just everything, and naming them filters them down.

This ties in with other entities who become Gods themselves, like Mizue no Uranoshimako.
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I think we already told you about Nothingness and Nameless before god got " Name " How many Time We have to tell you about this ? Excuse me if you think They're not Non-Exist Physiology Could you prove by any info instead of Saying pls ? Cuz lastest Touhou Upgrade we have all info to prove instead of just saying
 
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Udlmaster said:
As for Transdualism, I agree with the removal, the single citation for it (And feel free to correct me) seems to be very vague and too open to give Transdualism.
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Well, the Transduality is not just that but also that they aren't bounded by the names due to their nature, and that also comes with not being bounded by the duality between everything created by the borders that derivates from the names. I think that could fit with at least the Type 2 TD.
Udlmaster said:
As for Non-Existence Physiology, I don't really agree with it being on the profiles too, as the Perfect Memento in Strict Sense portion states, it's that they were everything before Names.

It seems less Non-Existence and more Omnipresence. They still existed, they were just everything, and naming them filters them down.

This ties in with other entities who become Gods themselves, like Mizue no Uranoshimako.
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I don't really think it could be just Omnipresence. Their true selves cannot be understood by anyone in existence and are explicitly stated to be nameless, and the analogies between nonexistence and gods are still there. The true being doesn't gets affected at all by the naming, it just makes one of its aspects appear in reality.
 
OnsokunoSonic said:
About Transduality

The deities are unbounded from all concepts, including every duality, the reasoning for this is actually quite similar for TD3 "The Creator" from Umineko, the difference is that TC is tier 0 and Touhou is tier 2.

Infact, Touhou deities are unbounded by EVERY duality, conceptually, this should qualify for TD3 tbh.

But the verse is fine as it is.
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Type 3 is only reserved for 1-A and above. So till we don't make the strong revisions Type 2 is preferable.
 
Udlmaster said:
I think Conceptual Manipulation Type 1 is fine as it is, since the criticism seems to be more levied towards the Gods, not the concepts they create. As in Mountain of Faith, Sanae Kochiya says "When people lose faith in gods, the gods lose their power. They can't manifest their divine virtues. This is the same as death, for a god.", they don't stop existing or die, they just lose their powers, like I said above, it just depowers them, not their concepts.

As for Transdualism, I agree with the removal, the single citation for it (And feel free to correct me) seems to be very vague and too open to give Transdualism.

As for Non-Existence Physiology, I don't really agree with it being on the profiles too, as the Perfect Memento in Strict Sense portion states, it's that they were everything before Names.

It seems less Non-Existence and more Omnipresence. They still existed, they were just everything, and naming them filters them down.

This ties in with other entities who become Gods themselves, like Mizue no Uranoshimako.
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So should we go with this then?
 
Hecatia_Gaming said:
Well, the Transduality is not just that but also that they aren't bounded by the names due to their nature, and that also comes with not being bounded by the duality between everything created by the borders that derivates from the names. I think that could fit with at least the Type 2 TD.

I don't really think it could be just Omnipresence. Their true selves cannot be understood by anyone in existence and are explicitly stated to be nameless, and the analogies between nonexistence and gods are still there. The true being doesn't gets affected at all by the naming, it just makes one of its aspects appear in reality.
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I don’t think conceptual transcendence provides Transdualism.
 
Yeah, not every concept has dual system. So transcends all duality it's not meaning they transcends all concepts or maybe the other way around too
 
Udlmaster said:
don’t think conceptual transcendence provides Transdualism.
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It's not just conceptual transcendence. The reason it's because of how the cosmology in the series works, as every name defined the duality between things by creating borders when something is named. They don't transcends only the concepts, they transcends the whole dual system of the verse.
 
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