It's time for me to tap into more of my full power.
KAIO-KEN x 3 GOOOOOOOOO!
She's also literally one of the leaders of the four most important organizations of the animal realm. Which is apart of hell, there would functionally be no reason for her to lie about the size of the place, when it is also boosted by a direct WoG statement. What you're proposing is not how inconsistency works.
That gives her even more reason to lie about the place, as she can use her privileged knowledge about the area to twist or omit some facts and combine them with lies in order to manipulate the protagonists.
Because she's a manipulator.
I already dealt with the "direct WoG" statement. Let's move on from that.
"It's just the facts"
It's not just the facts, it's context you're attempting to severely apply defamation on because of your innate bias against touhou's tiers here.
Lame attempt to appeal to motive against me. I have no "innate bias" against Touhou's tiers, I just know and recognize that they're not accurate. But attempts to attack, impugn, or even
defame my debating character do show one thing in particular: increasing desperation.
Doremy saying "real would be misstating things" was referring to how it didn't explicitly take place in the human world, it took place in the dream world in an exact copy of the world where the boundary of dreams and reality were blurred by yukari so the battle between the three sumireko's could happen.
Or maybe they just weren't "real" in any conventional or meaningful sense.
And if that took place in a realm within the dream world where the line between dreams and reality are blurred, then how does that apply to the entirety of the dream world to begin with?
Funny you say they aren't connected on a fundamental level when Doremy's profile omake.txt directly states it
"The dreams of all things are connected at the deepest level" isn't the same as "dreams and reality are one and the same"
If this is the kind of reading comprehension failure that allowed Touhou to be ranked at universal level, then it's clear that I might need to go to an even further level.
The images I posted were more than enough evidence, but if it's not enough:
Dreams can identifiably be used as attacks that can hurt people. Proving they are in fact reality.
You mean by a youkai who's famous for being able to manipulate the borders between opposing concepts? That doesn't prove anything.
Let's also not forget doremy makes dreams and attacks you with them
Being able to brings
parts of dreams
into reality doesn't prove that dreams are directly equivalent to reality in Touhou.
As well as her MECHA sheep attack, which utilizes this concept introduced in touhou:
I'm not seeing anything related to a "MECHA sheep attack", rather some gobbledygook about the "true nature of the TORIFUNE satellite" (a far cry from "MECHA sheep"), and something something about dreams.
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It can extend infinitely by using power from the moon.
It is by definition using power, to cover an area which qualifies as high 3-A/low 2-C. Even if it was just range, hermits scale to youmu, as well as other top tiers scaling above youmu. For all intents and purposes they can cover High 3-A/ Low 2-C ranges with power.
It's using weird esoteric moon magic to do some large spatial cutting. If it was just power in general, then why does it need the moon specifically for this attack? After all, the moon is know for its strange properties in Touhou. It's like saying that so-and-so comic book character sealed up a hole in reality as big as a galaxy with their energy blasts, meaning that they're galaxy level.
It's not that big a deal, and it certainly doesn't prove some universal levels of attack power.
As for the "Eternal = infinite time not infinite space"
The scan also said eternal nothingness, it uses both a measure of space and time.
And well time cannot exist without space in touhou, vice versa, both are inter-correlated and inseparable:
There's this thing about people like you trying to "puff up" things that are really basic in most "vs relevant" fictions as some big thing because your preferred fiction says that same thing but in a more flowery manner.
Space and time being "inter-correlated and inseparable" is literally basic relativity, which I presume most fictions written after 1915 or so follow. It's not special, and doesn't prove anything in particular about a realm's size.
A dimension can have infinite spatial extent while only having 5 seconds worth of temporal extent. A dimension can also be the size of a cardboard box, yet have lasted for innumerable eons.
Just because "space and time are one and the same" doesn't mean that spatial and temporal extents of any given space are interdependent or coterminous with each other.
As for those debating, I wouldn't bother really. What is his foundation in reality? "I think all Infinite statements are hyperbolic." and reading the comments after, "ZUN was likely hyperbolic" assuming further hyperboles because that's his preconception.
He doesn't have a real stance, it's just a "No" argument, and you won't really get very far with it.
These attempts to poison the well against me and shut down the discussion don't bode well for the Touhou side. Like I said: increasing desperation.
Actually provide scans of anti feats and inconsistencies instead of just stating someone’s argument is based on circular reasoning
Here's an example of a
low showing (not "anti-feat", I don't know who popularized that term, but he should be shot): Marisa's Mini-Hakkero is supposed to be impressive,
universal even, yet on the high end it can only store enough energy to turn a mountain into ash.
And it's like I said earlier: none of the "higher up" gods ever seem to comment on the amazing potentially universe-threatening power of those in Gensokyo. No one in the court of Lord Tsukuyomi or Mahabrahma ever seem to say "gosh, these girls are pretty powerful, better keep a close eye on them". The answer for this is simple: no one in Gensokyo has universal attack power. Such a thing would, indeed, break the setting. This fetish with "scans or it doesn't count" when the basic in-story logic doesn't support universal scaling for Touhou is kind of weird.
Why would it be extraordinary, logically you should always assume the positive on a feat/statement, until it’s proven otherwise. Being hyperbolic is ofc a valid contradiction, but again “there’s not enough proof” doesn’t prove its hyperbolic, and dodge and onu literally refuted every claim with actual scans.
Because it's a complete jump from all the consistent feats we've seen before, which generally restrict themselves to a sub-planetary, maybe stellar level of power.
She’s creating it right? Energy required to create something translates to AP
Not necessarily. It could just be weird hax, like the "infinite/eternal corridor" revolving around Kaguya's ability to "control eternities" or somesuch.
So should I close this thread then?
Wait for me to respond first. At least ask
me, the thread creator if I want the thread closed or not (and no, I don't want it closed).
Harsh reality of life.
