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I think Urahara should be above Mayuri and Askin. He's considered a war threat while mayuri isn't, he's got kidos that can hold down Aizen and his bankai is also useful. I don't really see him being faster either.
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Kenpachi was also called the strongest Soul Reaper in the TYBW, and Gremmy was called the strongest Quincy initially too. That's why I sort of take things like that with a grain of salt. Ichigo is considered a soul reaper as well (with his Quincy and Hollow powers being stolen and all, though idr if they returned to him by that point), and the statement calling Kenpachi the strongest doesn't say 'Gotei 13 Soul Reaper' but Soul Reaper in general as a blanket statement. I will say it's clear that Kenpachi was above every character that was present in the novel besides possibly Ginjo based on the statements we got, but then again, the god tiers like Ichigo and Aizen, as well as Kenpachi's peers like Toshiro and Byakuya, were purposefully written out of the story. More stock for Byakuya and Toshiro is that, although it was a lie formulated by the Gotei to not get as many people involved in the scenario lore wise, they all found it believe-able to send Byakuya and Toshiro to help Ichigo out with a threat that they thought would give him trouble. Not saying they scale to Ichigo's full power obviously, but they know how strong he is and felt that they would be relevant in helping him in some way. And we know Hikone is weaker than even casual True Shikai Ichigo based on what the Femritters were saying, with them stating that the only reason Hikone seemed more dangerous was because he was going for lethal blows.
As for Kenpachi's growth post TYBW, Unohana was weaker than him, but not by much. They were relative enough for them to have a long, hard fight even when he was a kid. They weren't leagues apart. But even if you say that, Kenpachi still had his fights against Gremmy, the Femritters, and Perninda before finally fighting Gerard. He would've gotten Zenkai's from Gremmy/Femritters and Perninda before even stepping to the Gerard fight. As for Zenkai's post Gerard, the 'Zenkai' is more like 'When the soul is put into a life and death situation or exposed to mortal danger' rather than specifically being put near death and coming back to life per say. It still applies of course, but taking those words directly, Byakuya and Toshiro (more so Toshiro) had those experiences as well. Worst injury Kenpachi got was losing his arm (which already happened to him earlier), so it wouldn't be an injury that makes him eclipse his previous levels of power like how he did pre Unohana fight. His Amps from taking L's stopped at Unohana where he peaked, and then from there he gains the same gains as anyone else does.
But, if I play devil's advocate and concede that Kenpachi is in fact the strongest pure shinigami, there's not really an evidence that suggests that he far eclipses Toshiro and Byakuya to the point where they're not relative. We know that Shikai Kenpachi was at least 5-10x weaker than Toshiro and Byakuya, perhaps more, depending on if you think TYBW Toshiro and Byakuya were stronger than Bankai Kenpachi. To say that Sealed and Shikai Kenpachi are stronger than Mature Toshiro and Bankai Byakuya would be a huge leap without evidence to support it. If anything, then my list would be mostly the same except having Kenpachi at 6, and then Byakuya and Toshiro right under at 7 and 8. I'd still have him below Gerard, as there's no evidence to suggest he got power that could overcome Final Form Gerard, but I still have the trio over the people from 9 and below for scaling relative to that Gerard in Toshiro and Byakuya's case. I still find it telling that Narita had written the two of them out of the story for the big fight, especially when Byakuya was in Volume 2. TYBW showed the 3 of them as comparable and above the rest for fighting various forms of Gerard, CFYOW shows Kenpachi as strong for being able to fight Hikone and Ikomi, while writing the two that were comparable to him in the last arc out of the story along with Ichigo
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Aizen >>>>> Bleach
He was still sealed :v
He was still sealed :v
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Why is Yhwach >>> prime reio
When we have statement of SK basically being the center of quincy powers, fullbring powers (which one of them neg YH by creating diferent timelines)
When we have statement of SK basically being the center of quincy powers, fullbring powers (which one of them neg YH by creating diferent timelines)
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Yeah if we're using novel statements then SK has everything Yhwach has + much more given that he's stated to be the source of the Quincy's abilities
As for Yhwach "having all of SK's power", I don't remember the statement but I doubt it explicitly said Prime SK, he absorbed Weakened SK and there were innumerable fragments of SK and some limbs that Yhwach never absorbed, so it's literally impossible for him to have all of Prime SK's power.
Lastly, even for things like The Almighty, SK's is far better, he was able to see a million years into the future instantly whereas Yhwach never demonstrated being able to see anywhere near that long term, there's also the matter that SK's The Almighty contains more pupils than Yhwach's does which is relevant because Yhwach gained more pupils as he was getting stronger.
As for Yhwach "having all of SK's power", I don't remember the statement but I doubt it explicitly said Prime SK, he absorbed Weakened SK and there were innumerable fragments of SK and some limbs that Yhwach never absorbed, so it's literally impossible for him to have all of Prime SK's power.
Lastly, even for things like The Almighty, SK's is far better, he was able to see a million years into the future instantly whereas Yhwach never demonstrated being able to see anywhere near that long term, there's also the matter that SK's The Almighty contains more pupils than Yhwach's does which is relevant because Yhwach gained more pupils as he was getting stronger.
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And even then he could not absorb 100% of the husk, as we see some of the power getting away cus it was too much for him
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Prime Soul King is still the strongest. So far nothing comes close to him in how powerful and we'll rounded he was.
Ichigo and Yhwach compete for #2 but again with Ichigo's lack of hax, even people inferior to him in reaitsu and physical strength can humiliate him the way Askin did. Askin treated Ichigo like a toddler.
Ichigo and Yhwach compete for #2 but again with Ichigo's lack of hax, even people inferior to him in reaitsu and physical strength can humiliate him the way Askin did. Askin treated Ichigo like a toddler.
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There was not statement of YH being >>>> prime soul king
Only thing he absorbed (and not 100%) was the husk of the soul king, right arm, heart and left hand
Prime soul king is the center of quincy powers and full bring powers + he is fully completed, arms, organs, soul chain, brain etc.
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It doesn't matter if we don't know how strong the other limbs/fragments were, what matters is that they were a part of SK's power and if Yhwach doesn't have them then he doesn't have all of Prime SK's power like they're trying to make the statement out to mean.
You can't say Yhwach has all of Prime SK's power while also acknowledging that there were multiple limbs and innumerable fragments that Yhwach never absorbed, that's contradictory.
You can't say Yhwach has all of Prime SK's power while also acknowledging that there were multiple limbs and innumerable fragments that Yhwach never absorbed, that's contradictory.
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Gerald yes, cus he has a piece of SK and we know ichibe hax dont work on people that have a piece of him
But kenpachi idk bout that one
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Ok thanks.
But it seems that ichibeis powers are only weakened not entirely gone. Also ikidomoe gained his name back after a certain amount of time not immediately.
Ichibei doesn't even need his bankai the difference between ichibei and Gerard is too big.
He would simply one shot him like oetsu did.
Gerard Schrift wouldn't work on ichibei, ichibei is an arrogant character. Arrogant or confident characters are Gerards cryptonite.
Ichibei would one shot Gerard and its not even close.
But it seems that ichibeis powers are only weakened not entirely gone. Also ikidomoe gained his name back after a certain amount of time not immediately.
Ichibei doesn't even need his bankai the difference between ichibei and Gerard is too big.
He would simply one shot him like oetsu did.
Gerard Schrift wouldn't work on ichibei, ichibei is an arrogant character. Arrogant or confident characters are Gerards cryptonite.
Ichibei would one shot Gerard and its not even close.
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Um, that paragraph is followed almost immediately by Ikomikidomoe moving to call out his true name before Kenny interrupts him straight away. It’s really not an overtime thing.
Ichibei’s Bankai doesn’t amp his stats and can’t put Gerard down so it’s actually useless.
Oetsu one shot the absolute weakest form of Gerard. That’s not a feat. The SS that got up after Oetsu folded them bullied Oetsu and the rest of Zero sans Ichibei.
Ichibei’s Bankai doesn’t amp his stats and can’t put Gerard down so it’s actually useless.
Oetsu one shot the absolute weakest form of Gerard. That’s not a feat. The SS that got up after Oetsu folded them bullied Oetsu and the rest of Zero sans Ichibei.
- He doesn’t one shot but that doesn’t matter since one shotting is arguably worse.
- What good does one shotting do Ichibei anyway? Gerard amps forever and will never be put down.
- Any damage to Hoffnung means Ichibei is dead since you believe he is so much stronger that Gerard gets pasted in one hit.
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Doesnt Gerard die if the attack is too great?
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He has godly regen so he just gets back up. Gerard before activating the Miracle is trash so there is no point in even considering him for this thread. God size and onward all have Miracle active which means no one but Yhwach and SK are killing him in a fight.
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so its not base gerard? its miracle active gerard?
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Well yeah. Base Gerard without The Miracle active is useless and if you are going to consider any version with Miracle active, why would it not be the reishi body at the very end that needed Yhwach to beat?
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Gerards wins obviously when miracle is active but thats not the point
Gerard would start in Base like everybody else.
Also The Miracle only works when the oponnent has doubts defeating Gerard thats the whole "arrogant/confident" argument
Just read my justification again
One question:
When did ichibei used his bankai on iki ?
And when did iki remove it ?
Gerard would start in Base like everybody else.
Also The Miracle only works when the oponnent has doubts defeating Gerard thats the whole "arrogant/confident" argument
Just read my justification again
One question:
When did ichibei used his bankai on iki ?
And when did iki remove it ?
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I think u mean Iko, so he used it in the past thousands of years ago probably because at that time the Zanpakuto wasn't created yet.
months after TYBW Iko ate a part of Reio so he could weaken those effects that Ichibe caused
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Shunsui could evade lilles bullets
Lilles bullets one shots everything and it impossible to evade those bullets
Shunsui did with reikaku manipulation
That means he can evade kens deadly strikes
Furthermore shunsui and kenpachi are both High6A
In a battle who both oponnents have similar ap the one with better hax wins and that is shunsui
Mayuri poisons yama or goes bankai and creates a perfect counter to yamas abilities
kisuke goes bankai and regenerates everything from yama and reconstruct him
askin will take yamas reiatsu in and will be immune to yamas attacks
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Shunsui never evaded a bullet.
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The bullets dont even have speed, its spatial manipulation not an actual bullet, also why would the bullets even be impressive to evade?
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Why is it invalid? Right after Ikomikidomoe consumes the fragment, he breaks out and starts calling his name only for Kenny to one shot him. Go get evidence that Ichibei can hax Gerard even though he has the same thing that let Ikomikidomoe break out. Let’s also not forget that Ikomikidomoe was already haxed and then proceeded to get something that lets him break out when he absorbs it. Gerard already has the Heart which means he won’t be affected.
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I think its pretty clear that Gerard can beat Ichibei. Unless we're starting in base. But the sk power clearly allows the restoration of the name and after eating a fragment of the power he recalls his name. Gerard would likely not even lose his name and at best Ichibei could probably remove smaller parts of his body. But a removal of name is just not possible.
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I think so, but it requires a decent amount of time to set up. Gerard wouldnt let that happen unlike Yhwach.
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Nah cuz Gerard has low godly on his soul and no physical form. EE has no statements for erasing the mind so it’s useless.
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it'll erase his soul.
