Oh yeah the comparasition of pograms are super stupid you were the responsable of reseting the program but is not your ability while MIH was responsable of reseting and creating them also that is just a soft reset and of course you cant reset and create the program because that is impossible
It effects the timeline yeah.
The only thing mih is responsible for is speeding time to infinity everything else is just an byproduct of that speed up so like I said previously either don't give a rating to universe reset or let it remain the same
And that gravity manipulation is used to speed up time
"Bending Space-Time on Universal Range" is Low 2-C if proven to be equal to a power that would destroy a timeline, otherwise it's not, the latter logically being the standard. This is you saying random exposition btw, I quoted someone who claimed that bending "the space-time" was Low 2-C, corrected it, and now you quoted me to say what yu think is Low 2-C.
Whatever then, I didn't get that idea from reading it but didn't finish doing so.
To avoid more random things better not to get into, is that even canon?
Once again, does this matter? As in, is anyone claiming that the "new history" bit matters for something here? I could write the full reasons behind what that refers to but as it doesn't matter then why bother.
Never trust rundowns about me, even if they seen accurate. I'll wait you, I won't apply this until Pucci may reset the universe in the anime if needed to.
I find this to be his own question unrelated to this thread, case in point.
See that blue "[1]"? You need to see what it links to and read that as well, there you go. I even have an unfinished thread going over how the Tiering should be even more clear into what that description means but had issues due to people thinking that it was clear enough. I still believe they didn't factor in the same things I did that cause completely unnecessary confusions like this.
It isn't "super stupid", I find that you didn't get the example, one can reset a program if they are a producer or with Reality Warping. The point I was making matters more anyway. You said it, MiH was responsable of reseting and creating the universe, the former being Time Manip and the latter a 3-A feat. Also can you use punctuation, commas, be more clear, etc.? I also recommended before that not everyone should necessarily comment.
As correct as it is relevant. I never asked those things or put them into question.
I didn't say it specify the Big Bang, I said it should have the same tier. That's like saying that some explosion making as much energy as a certain nuke should have its same tier and replying that the explosion isn't the nuke. MiH speeded up time to infinity, which is time manip, that made the universe end, then a new universe was born, which can be said to be alluded to MiH's ability and is 3-A, then time expanded in that universe because that's what time does, and events alike the old universe happened, which is another power of MiH (I called it Causality Manip, and you said it was still Fate Manip, I guess it doesn't matter to talk about it now). MiH doesn't have a Low 2-C feat in what it does, it doesn't create all the time in the timeline of the new universe from start to finish. The new history (if I need to go over this) is that precog Pucci gave to humans (to put it shortly).
I mean, if I can manipulate radiation to manipulate gravity then I have Radiation & Gravity Manip.
Hm.. a Timeline is a Space-Time on Universal range..
the whole debate was about MiHur which is Made in Heaven Ultimate Requiem which is on JJ Kars profile, not normal MiH
I readed it much times, now i will copy and past here
I have no idea what you say here, since you say that your "english grammar sucks" I recommend that your priority should be to improve that to some degree, otherwise I personally consider selfish to send me and others to decipher comments like this while you don't run on the same disadvantage.
An example to something can be diferent, they do compare, you just couldn't find how.
Make your own CRT if you disagree with the tiering. And just "destroying Earth" may not be blowing it up in a way that reach 5-B but ruining society by destroying many parts of the surface.
I asked if it was canon, others said it wasn't, and now you talk about the matter again w/o bringing up anything to show it's canon while dismissing what I asked and how others said it wasn't canon. It stands to reason I dismiss you as well.
If that was the case there would be no note like it going over not just "affect" but "Significantly affect", there would be no point in we talking over how we wrongly used that as an umbrella term to write less. Again if you disagree with the tiering make your own CRT.
This is just bias, if it isn't MiH's case we cannot give it a pass anyway by making it Enviromental Destruction as if the standards for it were much lower, if it's not Low 2-C it's not Low 2-C.
okay
No.. that's not about of CRT... show me where that's writed or any CRT where that's got approved. also with destroying i mean destroying in litteral sense, not ruining the economy
you literally answered to it, and i specifically said that i was talking about mihur. i never said that was canon stop putting stuff that i didn't said on my mounth
I specified MiHur if you can't read that's not my problem
It's basically the same thing and we could use the same terms for the umbrella term, but i can't care less, there is no difference by saying Significally Affecting or just Affecting, "a casa mia" (at my home) they are the same thing and have same meaning
Pucci was manipulating time ye, but it was causing Enviromental Destruction, so saying that's just hax imply that there is no enviromental destruction and destruction of the universe
Really?
Seriously is anyone seeing this? I find it very challenging to remain motivated while replying to most of this comments.
Yes it got accepted which is why they reworded the 3-A definition anyway whatever it got accepted or not I still disagree with the downgrade MIH was stated to have the ability to reset the universe which refers to the entire space-time contenum as a whole unless shown otherwise
It got accepted with that
like every thread that the mass disagree. (for the bad and for the good and i have been in the horribly side several times)
MIH work by manipulating gravity on a Universal scale which allows him to accelerate time infinitely until the universe get reset
I'm on mobile so I don't know how to do it, but if you go on Pucci profile, and go in gallery you can find MiH stand stats and there would be the explanation for gravity. Or just read the last arc of stone ocean since there is also there
Using gravity manip to accelerate time to the point where the whole universe get reset is low 2-C
Yeah basically Pucci speed up time to infinity which caused the universe reset and creation of new universe to occur and also something I should mention when Pucci died the universe reset happened again which resulted in the creation of an universe where he never existed
Pucci with Made in Heaven manipulate Gravity (which is the soucre where anything came from, probably the entire multiverse came from it since it's also in SBR universe). By manipulating Gravity Made in Heaven incress the speed of time due to weak gravitational force. the time at some point will accelerate to infinite and reaching the singularity point, by that the universe would come at his end and would be resetted. The Acceleration dosen't influence organic stuff, but cause Environmental Destruction, from low scale such an ice cream that immediately melts, to greater scale like Houses getting destroyed, temperature changing, stuff with the Sun, geography of earth changing and the destruction of universe. After that a new universe would be created people who died would get replaced by other self and time acceleration would slow down. In this world history is already created and occurred, The Destiny will repeat itself (Epxect for Pucci which is the only expection) his plan was to make everyone being able to face their destiny
Well, it's not clear if MiH created the new universe or if it got created as a natural thing that happens in JoJo when a universe gets too old, but in any case it wouldn't have happened on its own and can be alluded to as MiH's doing as a stat.
This is misleading, MiH didn't create the timelime. That's like saying that it planting a seed that will turn into a tree is the same as creating a tree as in snapping fingers and making a tree appear.
This Fate Manip and the Precog MiH grants to humans is unrelated to this thread, it's not even "100% this will happen" Precog.
There is no bases or evidence for that, just them that uses it in a different way, which also various gravity users in first universe does
Normally this phenomenon is similar to the Big Crunch, which is Low 2-C. but either way, it should still be environmental destruction since it does cause that as i proved before. and not simply age hax.
It is now
I remember a scan about history being created, after i will find it
I was just explaining the power of mih
"Gravity" in the first universe is akin to fate in the way DIO and Pucci see it, in the SBR universe it's never referenced as doing something similar, only how it can do things related to dimensions like travel to any of them, which in turn is fitting as that universe has the mechanic of being the is the "main" universe while other infinite dimensions are similar to it and based on it. Gravity outside of those infinite universes has no reason to be the same as those are kinda connected by gravity, the first universe has no reason to be its own "main" universe with infinite dimensions being based on it and all of them having gravity with the same gimmick.
If you want to claim the Big Crunch to be Low 2-C you can make a CRT to make it a page, like our Big Bang page. I'm tired of you talking about how it's environmental destruction as if anything I'm doing here would change that.
That comment points out space and time being created, which by the latter I assume they meant all of time from the start to the end of the universe, and added to that the Tiering System explicitly points out that in 3-A how creating a universe can get you that tier, and even more, such a drastic change in how we do things would be not only pointed out in our tiering, but written in such a clear way that anyone reading will understand it at once without any doubt. Even since that thread was first linked here everything about it was derailment, the claims imcomplete as they force me to complete what they fully meant for them, and reading that thread for research was a huge waste of time, aside from something no one's meant to do as if we agree on something we would have it written on big, important pages.
It's honestly an insane talk, history is not all of time, the events that happen in history are no the same as in the old history due to the people's own will and Precog MiH granted to them doing other stuff, not because he created all of time, he was never stated to create all of time. And you shouldn't even claim that "history was created" because you're making an imcomplete claim by doing so, any character doing "something something history" isn't creating all of time, we don't inherently assume so, yet you're trying to imply so by bringing up history but letting others figure out why that's goes as in all of time.
If it doesn't matter for its tier in a thread that goes about its tier don't bring it up, overwhelm by saying a bunch of random info about a character and verse is often used as a tactic to get users to agree on things, either because they don't know any better or are too lost to disagree. You're not even saying why you were explaining that as if it mattered, only that you did so.
