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Actually, based on real-world Save Files, wouldn't Information Manipulation be an apt power to use to classify Save File manipulation?
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That sounds like Low 1-C rather than Low 2-C to me, uncountably infinite universes and higher dimensional spacetime.Here's the simple deal.
Real life save file mechanics would not fit Low 2-C standards, as they are neither higher dimensional compared to the game, nor are they uncountibly infinite universes. They are just a collection of facts, ifs, etc.
Doki Doki save files are outright shown not to contain everything either, .chr files for one are outside of the saves, and altering/deleting a file affects all saves.
You would need to provide proof each save file contains infinite universes for one to be Low 2-C.
He means that a Low 2-C universe has uncountably infinite 3-A/High 3-A universes because of being made of a version of them for each moment of time.That sounds like Low 1-C rather than Low 2-C to me, uncountably infinite universes and higher dimensional spacetime.
Oh, I'm not comfortable with calling them universes but eh, sure.He means that a Low 2-C universe has uncountably infinite 3-A/High 3-A universes because of being made of a version of them for each moment of time.
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You claimed that "if it's just a causality manipulation then a savegame would [be] getting overwrited instead creating a new one, the older saves do not affected the newer ones when you interrupt them proves that they are causally disconnected" when this isn't the case, saves don't = to using causality manip in a way that other causality manip would overwrite it in any way. If you save, do thing A, load, do thing B, save in another file and load in the first one again then you're before doing thing A and B. Why would having done thing B and saved overwrite the first save at all like you say? That doesn't make any sense.I don't understand what the main rebuttal of this reply is towards the argument I'm bringing, what do you mean of "the power as just using it and that's it"? how is that relevant to the points I'm bringing? At least elaborate it in simple, separated saves do not overwrite the main's, because they are causally separated where they can contradict one another.
Idk why you say this again, I asked you to explian better what you said, reply to the rest is unproductive.Again, I fail to see how the second half of this sentence has any relevance to the current topic of conversation.
You fail to see the analogy, the video being the timeline doesn't go as in the video that one edits but the 4mp file. If you export what you did to the video editor then that creates another video (which doesn't matter to the analogy), save and save as do not create a new video, you cannot watch the saved files you have because they're not 4mp, they just have the set changes you did to the video really to be put in place. And if you erase the video the changes will still be there but empty and with an error.You don't seem to know the things you're talking about, if you're familiar with video editing then you'll know that's not true. The video is the file, I don't know why you differentiated it in the first place. You can cut the length of the video in half, add more in half, or an hour or two, or put effects, transitions, elements, etc, save it, it will ultimately transform the video itself from the original state, save as it, you will save it as a new video with a new name with the previous video remaining unchanged, most video editing apps tend to do this. If anything, your video/image analogies ironically supports savegames as timelines since like I said, they can works as duplications of the original.
I made a blogYou're acting like they are thought.
Should I add drawings made on paint in the blog based on people being able to believe this? That's not me being mean, drawings help and I have done so before for extra clarification on other topics that I do take as complex, like Kirby.And you don't know how videogames work since save files are indipendent from each other, and thus acting like different universes.
In agreement with Eficient right now. The "universe" in DDLC is acknowledged in universe as being only a few lines of code that make up the back drops for locations, it's entirely unreasonable to act like Monika is rewriting universes when the game itself says otherwise.
Note: Contrary to popular belief, the fictionality of the DDLC world doesn't make it only as big as it normally showed to be (akin to a theater only having the locations it showed to the audience but not more than what's shown, and with the things shown being fake), it has been referenced a few times that the DDLC characters exist in a universe/reality, this one showed to have space with dozens of stars in it and its own flow of time, things unrelated to the fake stage play-like dynamic the game was supposed to provide without Monika's interventions. The space with stars in it and the flow of time are shown and referenced in-game, but not as something that was meant to be explored in regular circumstances in the game as a date simulator, thus implying that there is no reason for the reality in DDLC has to be lesser than a normal universe (the fake aspects of it come from how the beings in it were programed and how events and things were constructed to organize a date simulator, without the reality in which everything is in being lesser for it).
4th wall awareness, Monika literally knows that she is just a fictional character and knows that her world is not real, but it doesnt matter on the tier of the verse, if we were rate everything to be just fictional, literally every character would be 11-A on the tierCorrect me if I'm wrong, I haven't played the game in a while. But doesn't Monika remark that none of it is actually real
By that logic, every verse would just be solar system size cuz u have no proof that it is a universe, every verse is Universal size by default unless proved otherwiseProblem is assumption, in this case, we immediately assume that the world in-game is actual universe, while the world could just be a pocket dimension the size of solar system for all we known
This is the actual problem, we could use this "hole" to assume every verse is universe size and be done with itevery verse is Universal size by default unless proved otherwise
Because we assume that the verse is similar to how IRL stuff works, if it wasnt due it, a planet destruction feat won't be 5-B cuz u have no proof that the Earth on the verse is Earth sizeThis is the actual problem, we could use this "hole" to assume every verse is universe size and be done with it
So we nuke the 2-C and keep the low 2-C????I worded and added that note in Monika's profile to better clarify our position over her stats, as all profiles should do if things get confusing and uncommon like this, but I have no strong attachment to the stats and if someone can make a good argument for them being false then good for that. It's just that as far as I understand them they're correct.
1. But if she nuke a timeline of room-sized dimension, she still low 2-C??Also, technically speaking, we give tiers like Low 2-C, Low 1-C, and so on for affecting the entirety of a set of axes, even if those axes aren't infinite, or even universal in size. Meaning that, as long as Monika nukes the entire timeline, it doesn't matter if that timeline has galaxies or not
Hum, well a lot to take in but thank you anyway, for answering1. Under certain necessary circumstances to make it qualify, yeah.
2. A "moment of time" being a point of time, would be whatever amount of joules is required to destroy that space, plus some weird untierable hax.
Agrees: 13 (Guardian_Doge, Rikimarox2, DaReaperMan, RethPo, Seol404, Ned_the_outer_god, Ricsi-viragosi, The_Wright_Way, Planck69, Everything12, TheLastStylebender, Agnaa, Alphaapexnep00)I do not know. What is the votes tally so far?
His. If they're nonsense then you're not bothering to argue the why of it as I did argue why your stuff was wrong.Her points and reasonings are nonsense, but Ricsi does make sense here. I'm fine with it since I'm neutral.
Not exactly, most verses don't acknowledge in-universe that it is fictional in the way DDLC does.4th wall awareness, Monika literally knows that she is just a fictional character and knows that her world is not real, but it doesnt matter on the tier of the verse, if we were rate everything to be just fictional, literally every character would be 11-A on the tier
When did I said that most verses does it?Not exactly, most verses don't acknowledge in-universe that it is fictional in the way DDLC does.
It doesnt refute, literally, every fictional verse is 11-A if we use the logic of ''mOnIka kNowS tHaT sHe IS noT rEal''Not suggesting you did, just refuting the point that everything would be 11-A by the logic that it's fictional
Someone said it lolWe aren't using that logic.
No, now you are misunderstanding my premise. Most fictional universes do not have an in-universe character acknowledge that the universe is merely code and nothing more. As Agnaa pointed out, Monika seems to refer to having experiences outside what we see in the game, so there likely is a material universe in DDLC. It is a bit absurd that you attempt to apply the argument I'm making to all fictional universes when it clearly does not apply.It doesnt refute, literally, every fictional verse is 11-A if we use the logic of ''mOnIka kNowS tHaT sHe IS noT rEal''
Why did u even said it if I didnt said nothing about it? And I know that not all fictional verses do it, u dont need to point itNo, now you are misunderstanding my premise. Most fictional universes do not have an in-universe character acknowledge that the universe is merely code and nothing more. As Agnaa pointed out, Monika seems to refer to having experiences outside what we see in the game, so there likely is a material universe in DDLC. It is a bit absurd that you attempt to apply the argument I'm making to all fictional universes when it clearly does not apply.