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Some updates on One Punch-Man

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Tetsucabrah said:
Do-S needs to cause pain to her victims for her mind control to work. She could hurt the mercenaries through their suits and destroyed the outer parts of them.
Also her attack would've harmed Bushidrill if Amai didn't step in.
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@Matthew_Schroeder Would this logic + DO-S's interactions with Amai Mask (restraining him, damaging his face) affect your stance on Monster Raid Fubuki and DO-S being upgraded to the same level as the Disciples and the power suits?
 
Also it was earlier stated that the near light speed boros thing was coming from and officiall guidebook one and murata made, why is it getting rejected now?

And boros should scale to Garou in the manga when Garou appears, because murata stated that one told him that boros and Garou should be comparable
 
LordTracer said:
That would just leave Fubuki/Do-S and the A-Class heroes for this CRT, right? Unless removing AG and GS’ keys are agreed upon enough to do now.
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If we're moving the Boros and Geryuganshoop to another CRT we just have:

1.) Upgrading Fubuki and DO-S to 8-A,
* We are waiting to hear all Matthew has to say.​
2.) Downgrading A-class heroes (and most people who scale to Kombu Infinity) to "at least 9-A, likely 8-C". Certain characters like Zombieman/Death Gatling/Stinger who should be capable of dispatching a tiger level threat as powerful as Kombu should stay where they are.
* If we all agree the above description is good, this change can easily be applied.
3.) Upgrading Boros's ship Ap to Low 6-B.
*This is a simple change. All we have to do is decide if Usklaverei's calc is valid.
 
Matthew_Schroeder said:
Stop being confrontational. I already pointed out a glaring flaw in the calculation. @Qawsedf234 can look into himself too.
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If your question is asking if the Murata statement is valid, then by his own admission it would be no. Murata clarified that what he said about Gery was his thoughts on the matter and does not reflect ONE's world view, so it's not valid. He also outright stated what he says on stream isn't canon unless confirmed by ONE, then directly mentioned that the viewers should go to a completely canonical source in the Hero's Guidebook or ONE for questions.

Normally I wouldn't really care about using his quotes, since we use stuff like writer or director WoG for the MCU despite them not having total oversight over the project. But when Murata himself says he isn't a valid source we're running into a wall here.
Emirp sumitpo said:
Also it was earlier stated that the near light speed boros thing was coming from and officiall guidebook one and murata made, why is it getting rejected now?
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The Boros thing is different from the Gery things in that one is an officially published behind the scenes thing while the other is a solo stream statement
 
Qawsedf234 said:
If your question is asking if the Murata statement is valid, then by his own admission it would be no. Murata clarified that what he said about Gery was his thoughts on the matter and does not reflect ONE's world view, so it's not valid. He also outright stated what he says on stream isn't canon unless confirmed by ONE, then directly mentioned that the viewers should go to a completely canonical source in the Hero's Guidebook or ONE for questions.

Normally I wouldn't really care about using his quotes, since we use stuff like writer or director WoG for the MCU despite them not having total oversight over the project. But when Murata himself says he isn't a valid source we're running into a wall here.

The Boros thing is different from the Gery things in that one is an officially published behind the scenes thing while the other is a solo stream statement
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Did you see my earlier mention where I wrote down all the agreed-upon changes? We can start implementing them, pending Antvasima's approval.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Also scaling boros to orochi is also a no?
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Firstly, all Boros changes are going to be postponed to the next CRT. This thread is becoming massive and difficult to navigate. We will conclude discussion on the points I've mentioned above and deal with the rest later.

Secondly, via Saitama's punches, no. Via the "dragon or above' statement, yes, but we need to determine which form is dragon or above. Meteoric Burst assuredly, Released is a debate that needs to happen elsewhere.
 
Ourosboros said:
Thank you. These changes should be applicable then. They are as follows.

A.) new Genos key will be upgraded to low 7-B, HH garou and those around his level with scale to 681 kilotons (High 7-C+). Those above him will be "at least High 7-C" and those few characters that go one tier higher up (Transformed Bug God is the only one I can think of), will be baseline Low 7-B.

B.) Drive Knight will be upgraded to baseline 7-B.

D.) Suiryu and Choze will be downgraded to High 7-C+, around HH Garou's tier for the aforementioned reasons now that their cloud feat is no longer low 7-B.

E.) the following characters will be awarded "large size": Child Emperor with Brave Giant (type 0), Hundred Eyes Octopus (type 2 before absorbing concrete, type 3 after), Monsterized Bakuzan (type 1), Final Form Awakened Garou (type 0) and Gyoro Gyoro (type 0). Gums will also get elasticity like Pig God.

F.) The following characters will be upgraded in lifting strength: Genos (class M), Bang (class G, stopped 4 kilometers of EC's momentum), Bomb (class G), Darkshine (class G), Child Emperor (at least class M with Brave Giant), Beefcake (at least class M, with new justification). Metal Knight will not be upgraded per Damage's comment.

G.) Homeless Emperor's profile should be altered to consider his new physical abilities. He should get: "Unknown physically, 7-B with light spheres" tiering, he should be awarded "superhuman physical characteristics" and his speed should be changed to "At least Supersonic" based on this redraw. AP, Durability and LS should also be adjusted accordingly, to "at least superhuman" or "unknown physically".

The other changes will need to be discussed more before they can be implemented. Changes that are not yet ready to be implemented include... DO-S and Fubuki upgrades, A-class heroes downgrade (should also include child emperor), Geryuganshoop relativistic speed upgrade, Boros's ship upgrade and Boros tiering changes.
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These changes can be implemented. I myself will start with Genos's profile.
 
I've already done everything about weight lifting, as the WC thing was not done, Orochi didn't climb to the G-Class, but I feel that he should since he physically must be stronger than Metal and Bang
 
Also I'll just put this here again. Would it be possible to get a calc out of geryuganshoop's attacks without the sub-light statement?
 
Should we combine those into one thread? As geryu's speed will affect boros and orochi and likely those who scale above the latter
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
Should we combine those into one thread? As geryu's speed will affect boros and orochi and likely those who scale above the latter
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Yes, they would be one thread. Said thread should also look over various Boros-relevant calcs, like the High 6-B meteor calc, the low 6-B ship bombardment, the adjusted CSRC and Moon Jump results.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
How's the CSRC thing going?
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Therefir would like me to recalc it as fragmentation of the earth's crust, which gives a result of 17 petatons. I don't think fragmentation makes sense though, since Boros doesn't destroy things that way. Or if he does, it would be unique to CSRC and different from any destruction we've seen from Boros so far.

Plus, it begs the question... if Boros is going to fragment the oceanic crust, what is going to happen to the ocean? It's obviously not going to disappear, and you need about 700 petatons of energy to vaporize the ocean, so how can the 17 petaton figure hold up? That kind of energy is not going to boil away the oceans. Neither will the generic explosion calc... the energy just isn't enough to shave the earth if you need to vaporize the oceans. Until he can provide some alternate answer to the ocean problem, 1.5 exatons of melting seems to be a good lowball.
 
Ourosboros said:
Therefir would like me to recalc it as fragmentation of the earth's crust, which gives a result of 17 petatons. I don't think fragmentation makes sense though, since Boros doesn't destroy things that way. Or if he does, it would be unique to CSRC and different from any destruction we've seen from Boros so far.

Plus, it begs the question... if Boros is going to fragment the oceanic crust, what is going to happen to the ocean? It's obviously not going to disappear, and you need about 700 petatons of energy to vaporize the ocean, so how can the 17 petaton figure hold up? That kind of energy is not going to boil away the oceans. Neither will the generic explosion calc... the energy just isn't enough to shave the earth if you need to vaporize the oceans. Until he can provide some alternate answer to the ocean problem, 1.5 exatons of melting seems to be a good lowball.
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It should definitely be melting since Meteoric Burst melts with every attack. It would be weird if CSRC was the only exception.
 
@USklaverei

Could you change the suggested A-class heroes downgrade from "8-C" to "at least 9-A, 8-C"? If we do so, that can be approved, as our staff members here have approved this rating. If you are okay with that, here is how I would change every High 8-C hero's tiering:

As stated, A-class level individuals who could reasonably defeat Kombu infinity may remain at "high 8-C". Stinger (one-shot numerous tiger level, wolf level sea folk), Great Philosopher (stronger than Stinger), Death Gatling (devastated tree line against Garou, did superficial damage to HEO), Heavy Tank Fundoshi (near S-class level according to Sitch) and Magic Trick Man (near S-class level) have all demonstrated that they are what is unofficially referred to as "high-tiger, above tiger". These should remain at High 8-C. They also happen to be some of the mostly highly ranked A-class heroes, which may be an indication of their superior strength.

Spring Mustachio should be "8-C, High 8-C with Tomboy", as he was able to defend against Kombu Infinity for an extended period of time and actually pierced Kombu Infinity's hair with Tomboy. Snakebite Snek should be 8-C, as he scales above Dave through his performance in the tournament. Lightning Max should also be 8-C, because he "hit with more oomph" than Snek according to Suiryu.

Every other A-class hero should be "At least 9-A (able to defeat Tiger level threats consistently), likely 8-C (should be as strong as Snek, who is superior to Dave)".

The following heroes should be downgraded to that "at least 9-A, likely 8-C" tier as they do not scale to the aforementioned heroes. If there are an alterations or objections, please let me know: Lightning Genji (can't be much stronger than Electric Catfish Man + Maiko Plasma), Golden Ball (Had nothing to offer against Kombu Infinity), Narcisstoic, Shadow Ring, Feather, One-Shotter and Chain N' Toad.

These B-class heroes should also downscale "at least 9-A, likely 8-C": Captain Mizuki and Needlestar.

Child Emperor's Physicals should downscale to this tier I think. He's likely low A-class level when we consider his brain development with the Okame mask. I would like to hear thoughts on this.

Zombieman's physicals should also downscale to this. I haven't seen him do any high-tiger, above tiger feats without his weapons and tiger level monsters seem to be able to significantly harm him.

How does that sound?
 
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Are you saying we should call everyone else back in here? I do not know if I can do that, but I will ask everyone on the OPM main thread to give their opinions on my suggested downgrades.

Anyone else who is watching this, please let me know what you think of the suggested downgrades. If you have any alterations, I would also like to hear them.
 
I agree with everything on the OP. What's being discussed right now? I see this has 6 pages of replies lol.
 
This, fubuki and Do-S AP revision. In another thread, we'll discuss boros' ap, geryu's speed and Boros' ship's AP and dura. As well some stuff about orochi
 
Matthew_Schroeder said:
Yeah I think Geryu and Boros are controversial enough to have their own threads.
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Okay.

Matthew, Tetsucabrah and I would like to know if our added reasoning for the DO-S Fubuki scaling changes your position on their suggested upgrade.

Further reasoning here:
Tetsucabrah said:
Do-S needs to cause pain to her victims for her mind control to work. She could hurt the mercenaries through their suits and destroyed the outer parts of them.
Also her attack would've harmed Bushidrill if Amai didn't step in.
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Plus, DO-S restrained an Amai Mask who was about to butcher the mercenaries and damaged him. Also, she was going to attack Bushidrill and her whip drew his attention and a concerned look. If he were that much stronger than her, I don't think he would have reacted in the same way and I don't think DO-S would have been able to crack the mercenary armor. We never saw the impact of the attack because it was interrupted but Amai Mask and Bushidrill treated it like a potential threat.
 
While I agree with the Do-S/Fubuki upgrade, using Amai Mask as part of the justification doesn’t make much sense to me. He’s a 7-B, restraining and damaging him would be way more than an 8-A feat.
 
Ourosboros said:
@USklaverei

Could you change the suggested A-class heroes downgrade from "8-C" to "at least 9-A, 8-C"? If we do so, that can be approved, as our staff members here have approved this rating. If you are okay with that, here is how I would change every High 8-C hero's tiering:

As stated, A-class level individuals who could reasonably defeat Kombu infinity may remain at "high 8-C". Stinger (one-shot numerous tiger level, wolf level sea folk), Great Philosopher (stronger than Stinger), Death Gatling (devastated tree line against Garou, did superficial damage to HEO), Heavy Tank Fundoshi (near S-class level according to Sitch) and Magic Trick Man (near S-class level) have all demonstrated that they are what is unofficially referred to as "high-tiger, above tiger". These should remain at High 8-C. They also happen to be some of the mostly highly ranked A-class heroes, which may be an indication of their superior strength.

Spring Mustachio should be "8-C, High 8-C with Tomboy", as he was able to defend against Kombu Infinity for an extended period of time and actually pierced Kombu Infinity's hair with Tomboy. Snakebite Snek should be 8-C, as he scales above Dave through his performance in the tournament. Lightning Max should also be 8-C, because he "hit with more oomph" than Snek according to Suiryu.

Every other A-class hero should be "At least 9-A (able to defeat Tiger level threats consistently), likely 8-C (should be as strong as Snek, who is superior to Dave)".

The following heroes should be downgraded to that "at least 9-A, likely 8-C" tier as they do not scale to the aforementioned heroes. If there are an alterations or objections, please let me know: Lightning Genji (can't be much stronger than Electric Catfish Man + Maiko Plasma), Golden Ball (Had nothing to offer against Kombu Infinity), Narcisstoic, Shadow Ring, Feather, One-Shotter and Chain N' Toad.

These B-class heroes should also downscale "at least 9-A, likely 8-C": Captain Mizuki and Needlestar.

Child Emperor's Physicals should downscale to this tier I think. He's likely low A-class level when we consider his brain development with the Okame mask. I would like to hear thoughts on this.

Zombieman's physicals should also downscale to this. I haven't seen him do any high-tiger, above tiger feats without his weapons and tiger level monsters seem to be able to significantly harm him.

How does that sound?
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Well, i kinda don't agree with Kombus' """feat""" anyway, but it looks good
 
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