Some updates on One Punch-Man

[ZoroNotZolo]

Metal Bat with only one or two rounds of fighting spirit could smash Elder Centipede's head into the ground.
Garou could deflect the hits of an even more pumped up Metal Bat.

Garou also admits if he took even a single hit from Metal Bat it would've been over. So yeah "higher with WSRSF" makes a lot of sense to me.

Would that be regular Garou, or Half-Monster Garou at the time? Just curious, even though it might not change much in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

What do you mean?

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Like, was it half-monster Garou that fought Metal Bat, or Hero Hunter Garou? I was just curious.

Also, would the "higher with WSRSF" apply to all of Garou's keys?

 

[Tetsucabrah]

It was Hero Hunter.
Half Monster is post royal ripper.

Also yes I do think it applies to all his keys. Bang and Orochi too.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Sounds good to me.

Also, the "higher with WSRSF" rating is consistent with Awakened Garou and Boros being comparable, but with Garou having the edge in close combat.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Yeah the water stream is deflecting attacks back at the user with more power (might even be double depending on translations but idk if we can use multipliers like that). So "higher with WSRSF" only makes sense.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Agreed.

 

[Ourosboros]

Okay, it sounds like it's broadly supported then. Let me get specific on what I think Garou's page should be:

HH Garou key = High 7-C, higher with WSRSF

Attack Potency: Large Town Class physically, higher with WSRSF (his physical attack potency should be comparable to his durability. Deflected Pumped Up Metal Bat's Strikes which one-shotted Senior Centipede and likely would have one-shotted Garou)

Speed: At least Massively Hypersonic

Lifting Strength: At least Class 25, likely Higher (based on this thread): https://vsbattles.com/threads/garous-lifting-strength.110930/

Striking Strength: Large Town Class physically, Higher with WSRSF (Should be comparable to his durability,

Durability: Large Town Class physically, higher with WSRSF(took damage from a casual TTM before using WSRSF, can reflect attacks with WSRSF that would one-shot him otherwise)

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

That looks good to me. I was originally questioning it amount durability, but that's a good justification.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist being able to reflect an opponent's attacks is not indicative of it increasing the user's strength. Nothing seems to state or even suggests that the technique amplifies the user's strength. In fact, whenever its capabilities are brought into question, there's always some statement differentiating one's skill in Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist and one's skill. This does not warrant a higher rating, since it does not affect Garou's stats and instead reflects the target's strength; Meliodas does not have a higher rating for his Full Counter ability, and this should be no different.

Also, the only time Garou has been stated to return one's strength at them twofold was in the fight with Tanktop Master. After that, he never seems to use Attack Reflection and instead redirects the trajectory attacks with brute force, typically swinging them out of range.

 

[Ourosboros]

Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist being able to reflect an opponent's attacks is not indicative of it increasing the user's strength. Nothing seems to state or even suggests that the technique amplifies the user's strength. In fact, whenever its capabilities are brought into question, there's always some statement differentiating one's skill in Water Stream Rock Smashing Fist and one's skill. This does not warrant a higher rating, since it does not affect Garou's stats and instead reflects the target's strength; Meliodas does not have a higher rating for his Full Counter ability, and this should be no different.

Also, the only time Garou has been stated to return one's strength at them twofold was in the fight with Tanktop Master. After that, he never seems to use Attack Reflection and instead redirects the trajectory attacks with brute force, typically swinging them out of range.

It doesn't increase physical strength but it does increase AP at the end of the day- Garou was damaging Metal Bat during their fight, someone who is a tier above his normal physicality. We can't be sure Garou's redirecting Metal Bats attacks, but if we're going to make assumptions about what it is taking place here- I see no reason to assume that Garou wasn't returning Metal Bat's attacks back at him. Same thing with when Garou buried Genos in the ground, we have no way to know if it's attack reflection but it would make complete sense if it was.

If you think those two examples weren't attack reflection, we differ on the topic. If Garou is harming Metal Bat without the help of attack reflection that WSRSF provides, we'll have to upgrade him to low 7-B without qualifications. But I think he is using Metal Bat's strength against him- it would be strange if Garou demonstrated attack reflection and only used it once

 

[LordTracer]

I think I missed something, why would Amai Mask get downgraded to Low 7-B?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Because his 7-B rating comes from webcomic scaling. Of him fighting against black sperm which the fight has only appeared in the webcomic so far. Fuhrer ugly should probably get downgraded from this

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Yeah, we really need to get on making webcomic keys for these characters...

 

[LordTracer]

Ah, okay then.

Yeah, next CRT needs to be completely separating manga and webcomic stuff.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I'll probably fine all the profiles that have webcomic scaling in them provide new justifications for them lol

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

I'll probably fine all the profiles that have webcomic scaling in them provide new justifications for them lol

That sounds good, I think.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Is this CRT done?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

We haven't done the new justifications for fubuki and Do-S I think? That's the only thing left for this CRT.

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

Also the A-Class Downgrades and the size changes I think that's it.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

I think those have been agreed on and can be implemented.
Do-S can Gets a "possibly 8-A" for damaging the private squad and potentially damaging Bushidrill.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

That sounds alright. We should wait for input from the others

 

[Tetsucabrah]

All this stuff has already been agreed on pretty unanimously. We can at least implement those.
There's still questions on Fubuki and if any A class at all scale to Kombu's durability.

 

[LightReinh12345]

I think Do-S & Fubuki are Solid 8-A

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

I think Do-S & Fubuki are Solid 8-A

Agreed.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Bump

 

[Matthew_Schroeder]

Likely 8-A for me.

 

[LordTracer]

I think ‘Likely 8-A’ should be fine.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

As long as they get the 8-A rating in some form, I'm happy.

 

[Shift_Ctrl_Alt_Delete]

I guess 'Likely 8-A' is fine.

 

[LordTracer]

If we’re all mostly in agreement, I think that can be applied.

Then all that’d be left to discuss is the A-Class stuff, right?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I think so, although I thought 9-A, possibly 8-C was already decided?

 

[Shift_Ctrl_Alt_Delete]

I think so, although I thought 9-A, possibly 8-C was already decided?

I also thought everyone agreed with this.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

I also thought everyone agreed with this.

I know I did.

 

[San-Kakarot]

Why isn't Saitama at possible moon level?

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

Why isn't Saitama at possible moon level?

No feats to suggest he's moon level, though he's likely far higher than his current feats and showings.

 

[San-Kakarot]

No feats to suggest he's moon level, though he's likely far higher than his current feats and showings.

He casually stopped a mutli-continent attack with no diff. Also, Boros is fodder compared to Saitama and toyed with him. So him being moon level isn't far fetched.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

He casually stopped a mutli-continent attack with no diff. Also, Boros is fodder compared to Saitama and toyed with him. So him being moon level isn't far fetched.

That's why he's listed as "Multi-Continent level, likely far higher".

 

[San-Kakarot]

That's why he's listed as "Multi-Continent level, likely far higher".

What is the gap between multi-continent and moon level? Like ten times?

 

[LordTracer]

The difference between surface razing (what Boros, and therefore Saitama scales to) and baseline moon level is 161.53x. And even if it was ten times, that’s nowhere near close enough for Saitama to upscale.