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Elyartaker
Hello!
Sorry for bothering, I know you are busy right now.
But wanted to ask will there be QnA thread about the changes or we can just ask them here?
since I have a lot of questions not just from myself, but many others that can't speak English hahaha kinda representing them
Thanks
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Elyartaker
Elyartaker
oh I see thanks so I might bother you again haha sorry.



First of all about quantity, can inaccessible amount of baseline outerversal reach high outerversal? or would it still be baseline outerversal since it is still the same quality?

I was thinking to myself about EMR (extended model realism) and apophatic theology. Can these reach above low outerversal?
I don't know about the former but the latter might have solid arguments for Tier 0.

Well it's clear mathematical differences are low outerversal at best.
so how about math differences in higher qualities? is it possible to have math on a higher quality? For example a character 7 layers into outerversal that scales to inaccessible cardinal on that level of quality (which should be superior to even Mahlo or absolute Infinity of someone 6 layers into outerversal)
in short, higher quality of math ON that level of quality.
or are these nonsense and can't be applied?

we know BDE can reach baseline outerversal, so I assume we can have higher levels of BDE thus higher levels of quality yeah?

other than BDE, what other hax or existence type can reach outerversal? NEP? also being above dimensionality should be baseline yeah? How about being above concept of dimensionality?

Finally about nonduality and transduality and plurality or just overall duality since it's confusing for me, how high can it scale? Like can being above it be Tier 0? (this one from a nasuverse fan, mostly for ryougi shiki, asking if anyone or being can reach tier 0 in nasuverse)

I'm so sorry for asking this much and it's okay if you decide to answer them later.
Thanks
Ultima_Reality
Ultima_Reality
First of all about quantity, can inaccessible amount of baseline outerversal reach high outerversal? or would it still be baseline outerversal since it is still the same quality?

It would remain baseline, yeah.

I was thinking to myself about EMR (extended model realism) and apophatic theology. Can these reach above low outerversal?
I don't know about the former but the latter might have solid arguments for Tier 0.

Extended Modal Realism is High 1-A+. Though if you take it fully seriously, it's probably not tierable. Not any more than, say, trivialism is.

As for Apophatic Theology: It's already built into Tier 0, since Tier 0 by necessity entails being so transcendent that you are totally incommensurate with any concept or ontological feature whatsoever, insofar as those exist in a framework of differences, divisions, inequalities, etc. The end result of this is:

1) Any language applied to it is, at best, analogical in nature. Since our intellection is used to apprehend things that are "such-and-such" and exist inside a system of divisions and differences and whatnot. It doesn't really translate fully when you move beyond this system and into a thing beyond divisions entirely.

2) It can only be defined in terms of itself. There cannot be a numerical multitude of Tier 0s, and much less can there be something above a Tier 0. So, combined with the above (They're mutually causing in a sense, even), there's no prior, more fundamental thing which you can define a Tier 0 being in relation to. In that vein, it's like, the ultimate primitive notion, pretty much.

So, yeah, it basically is a form of apophaticism. It just doesn't necessarily enter into the more radical forms of it, where you can't even refer to the thing at all, and every statement about it is an equivocation, and yada yada. Not every form of apophatic theology boils down to that. It's a linguistic method, first and foremost, and the actual concept that it was developed to make sense of is more important. Though usage of apophaticism, of course, generally points to said concept.

so how about math differences in higher qualities? is it possible to have math on a higher quality? For example a character 7 layers into outerversal that scales to inaccessible cardinal on that level of quality (which should be superior to even Mahlo or absolute Infinity of someone 6 layers into outerversal)
in short, higher quality of math ON that level of quality.

Yeah, that can happen.

we know BDE can reach baseline outerversal, so I assume we can have higher levels of BDE thus higher levels of quality yeah?

Yeah.

other than BDE, what other hax or existence type can reach outerversal? NEP?

I suppose you can describe NEP in a way that nets you 1-A. But that goes for a lot of things, so, not exactly a very meaningful statement.

also being above dimensionality should be baseline yeah? How about being above concept of dimensionality?

Depends on how elaborate the statement is. Being described as "above dimensions" even in the correct sense can be Low 1-A, too.

Finally about nonduality and transduality and plurality or just overall duality since it's confusing for me, how high can it scale? Like can being above it be Tier 0? (this one from a nasuverse fan, mostly for ryougi shiki, asking if anyone or being can reach tier 0 in nasuverse)

The Root seems very much Tier 0 to me, for what's worth.

As for the question: Transduality as we currently define it is honestly god-awful. I don't think the power is even inherently quantifiable going by the current treatment of it.
Elyartaker
Elyartaker
Thank you so much
GrathOfLux
I don't believe it would be in anyone's best interest to rile up tensions on the thread further by addressing the comment there, so I will say this here.

If you promise that when it’s done that this will be closed when it’s concluded or dormant then sure, I’ll drop this topic and leave it be.
Click to expand...

You will drop the topic and leave it be not because someone else will concede to your demand, but because you have been warned already earlier in the thread for continuing the topic and you have promptly ignored this warning.

If how these threads have been handled and Deagonx's conduct therein is worthy of this vitriol, then take it up with me privately. You will be heard out and respected for your concerns. If it is not worthy of this vitriol, then separate yourself from the discussion until you no longer feel it. There is no excuse for perpetuating this drama at this stage. Every point you could have made has been made.
Everything12
Hey Ultima, I've got something I want clarifying. How knowledgeable are you on Hilbert Spaces?
Ultima_Reality
Ultima_Reality
Depends entirely on the content of the actual question. Shoot.
Everything12
Everything12
So am I wrong in thinking that the "infinite dimensions" of Hilbert Space are not Tierable dimensions but instead more properties an objects possesses; including things like velocity, spin, etc. With Hilbert Space not actually being a theoretical physical space but instead a purely mathematical concept, as usable in cosmology scaling as a graph on a piece of paper.

Speaking of course entirely based on the real life theory and not any additional spin that depends on a specific writers interpretations.
Ultima_Reality
Ultima_Reality
I mean, generally speaking, infinite-dimensional hilbert spaces are going to be just mathematical models. They're really just convenient tools to do algebra with; so, in quantum mechanics you'll always see a system of x-many possible states being modelled as a space of x-many dimensions, each state of it corresponding to a vector in that space.

But they can be actual things, too. I think Max Tegmark, for example, has described a Type III Multiverse as being one where timelines indeed are embedded inside an actual infinite-dimensional space. Those cases are where my knowledge of the topic mostly ceases, though.
Lloydblitzed
Can you check this minor CRT? We only need 1 staff input
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Ninjago Abilities Upgrade

Well, these are abilities I was supposed to add them two weeks ago, but I was waiting until they were completed a Conceptual Manipulation, which Minaaaa explained, and now I will add a number of abilities for Ninja and some Ninjago characters. Kai: Explosion Manipulation (Fier elemental she can...
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Rockysbalboa
Okay, I'm not going to drag this out, my character splits time in two and so does probability, so they come to a state of existence and non-existence, they can enter and exit this state as they wish and they can also remove someone.

And when our character is on this plane, they are in a timeless purgatory/nothingness and normal characters cannot interact with them, in short, a different causal system

Can we give nep 3 and aca 4 from here? At the same time, our character can reduce someone in this plane, so should he also get their negation?

There are more abilities and they are all very important if you are interested please look (Rick and morty)
Rockysbalboa
Okay, I'm not going to drag this out, my character splits time in two and so does probability, so they come to a state of existence and non-existence, they can enter and exit this state as they wish and they can also remove someone.

And when our character is on this plane, they are in a timeless purgatory/nothingness and normal characters cannot interact with them, in short, a different causal system

Can we give nep 3 and aca 4 from here? At the same time, our character can reduce someone in this plane, so should he also get their negation?

There are more abilities and they are all very important if you are interested please look (Rick and morty)
Rockysbalboa
Okay, I'm not going to drag this out, my character splits time in two and so does probability, so they come to a state of existence and non-existence, they can enter and exit this state as they wish and they can also remove someone.

And when our character is on this plane, they are in a timeless purgatory/nothingness and normal characters cannot interact with them, in short, a different causal system

Can we give nep 3 and aca 4 from here? At the same time, our character can reduce someone in this plane, so should he also get their negation?

There are more abilities and they are all very important if you are interested please look (Rick and morty)
Jaften
Jaften
I'm JBW staff, you're barking up the wrong tree
Lloydblitzed
Can you evaluate this minor CRT? only need 1 staff input
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Ninjago Abilities Upgrade

Well, these are abilities I was supposed to add them two weeks ago, but I was waiting until they were completed a Conceptual Manipulation, which Minaaaa explained, and now I will add a number of abilities for Ninja and some Ninjago characters. Kai: Explosion Manipulation (Fier elemental she can...
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Lloydblitzed
Can you check out this minor CRT? We only need 1 more staff input
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Ninjago Abilities Upgrade

Well, these are abilities I was supposed to add them two weeks ago, but I was waiting until they were completed a Conceptual Manipulation, which Minaaaa explained, and now I will add a number of abilities for Ninja and some Ninjago characters. Kai: Explosion Manipulation (Fier elemental she can...
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Senadina
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No Game No Life small revision

Ex-Machina should have Infinite speed. Okay, I reckon this should be einfach, so: While Artosh is capable of altering logic, law, and events in every second, whereas the invaders (Ex-Machinas) are able to devise countermeasures and perform abstract and illogical calculations at a speed of...
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Can I have your input there, thank you.
Lloydblitzed
Can you take a look at this minor CRT? We only need 1 more staff input
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Ninjago Abilities Upgrade

Well, these are abilities I was supposed to add them two weeks ago, but I was waiting until they were completed a Conceptual Manipulation, which Minaaaa explained, and now I will add a number of abilities for Ninja and some Ninjago characters. Kai: Explosion Manipulation (Fier elemental she can...
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Mayon_king12
Could you please express your thoughts on this subject?
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a cartoon made real

Alright, I've been wondering about this for a long time. if a character puts a fictional animation on the same level as the universe, if the animation universe becomes real, does it give this character subjective reality, physics manipulation or dimensional manipulation? Also, what would be...
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Omegabronic
Rabbit2002
Hi Bambu
If scp is deleted, will its light novel (iris through the looking glass) and manga be added to the profile on the wiki? Or do they suffer the same fate?
Mr. Bambu
Mr. Bambu
I'm not familiar enough to say. If they are literally just SCP content, probably banned with it, I don't see why we'd cherry pick like that.
DaReaperMan
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Settra

Settra, known by many titles such as "Settra the Imperishable,"[3] the "King of Kings,"[3] "High King of Nehekhara, the Khemrikara,"[3] "Lord of the Earth,"[3] "Monarch of the Sky,"[3] "Ruler of the Four Horizons,"[3] "Mighty Lion of the Infinite Desert,"[3] "Great Hawk of the Heavens,"[3]...
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I should ask you, would there be anyone in DnD who'd actually be a thematic match for him or is there no shot?
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DaReaperMan
DaReaperMan
Whoever told you that about Fantasy was bullshitting.

Only very specific hax and resistances from specific characters are 1-A(IE, Archaon's BFR and Be'lakor's fatehax), the majority of it that's magic is 3-D and packing 0-7 layers, depending on the character, ability, feats, species, etc.

Settra is currently the only character of all the fantasy profiles that isn't a literal God that's blessed with 1-A resistance to Aethyr Manipulation-- not even his hax, just his resistances.

That, or they're talking about the stuff it takes to even make the magic, which is indeed 1-A, but as detailed in the smurf stuff, drawing power from a 1-A Source IS NOT sufficient to have 1-A hax, you need to effect something on that level, which both Arkhan and Nagash have done, hence Settra resisting their shit being so impressive
Mr. Bambu
Mr. Bambu
so he just has 1-A resistance to magic.
DaReaperMan
DaReaperMan
It's deceptive, I should note, because Aethyr is technically everything on several levels, so the only things that properly work are either good enchanted weapons or physical attacks(Like, Settra probably shouldn't resist a flamethrower, but he will resist you using random supernatural flames)
Chritin
Hey there, I just had a quick question/recommendation regarding your recent staff post about removing SCP. While I'm no expert on SCP content, I do understand the arguments you've made in the forum. However, I was wondering if it would still be possible to keep SCP content on the site but as a "closed" verse. I for one enjoy having the wiki as a resource for consistent scaling information on SCP content, so it would be a shame to see all the work put into it go away in my opinion. Thus, could it be possible that if the change goes through, then all SCP content is closed to further edits rather than deleted? That, or it could be archived in someone way on an external blog of some kind. I'm not sure how plausible either of these could be, but I think it would satisfy the wants of people who still would like to have access to the pages.
Mr. Bambu
Mr. Bambu
I don't think that's a great idea, and would rather have them as a sort of fluid archive that SCP supporters could internally work on. They've already discussed doing that already, and I think it's a good idea.
Chritin
Chritin
That's fair. I'd personally hate to see them all go (specifically the Admonition pages since that is my personal favorite canon), so I'm happy to hear people are discussing keeping some kind of archive.
XxZetsuxX
Hello friend, Could you give this a look when you have time please? It's quite long so i apologize in advance;

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Classroom Of The Elite revamp - White Room Edition + Accepted calcs and scaling

Hello all, I wanted to revamp all of the classroom of the elite characters profile since they are messy, unorganized and incomplete, So let's start with the white room first I made the sandboxes here...
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Sayuki_Mikaru
Hello Mr. Apex_Predator_GX I have something I want to talk to you about. I created the topic Revision Godzilla Singural Point Novelization 1, but there appears to be an error in the discussion thread. causing no one to comment So I would like you to advise me if I am doing something wrong or not?
I'm sorry to disturb you while you were resting🙏

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Revision Godzilla Singural Point Novelization 1

Hello, this is my first post. If there are any mistakes, I apologize. In Wiki Zilla it states https://wikizilla.org/wiki/Godzilla_(Godzilla_Singular_Point) According to the Godzilla Singular Point novelization, Godzilla and the other kaiju are the physical extensions of an omnipresent...
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Tomfer
Can you take a look at this, Maverick? I'd appreciate it.

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Fists of Khonshu Magic (Another Tomfer-Moon Knight CRT)

I was planning on doing this CRT after Vengeance of the Moon Knight Volume 2 ended, but it's not a 5-issue only, so... Since both Moon Knight and Hunter's Moon are similar in strength, have the same source of power and Marvel itself stated to have similar powers, they both should have the same...
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The_King_of_Prudence
If you could mention that SCP has lots of characters of every tier, that would be great.
DMUA
DMUA
This hurts you more than it helps, to be frank. I'm not that big on SCP, I really just dislike Fishish's behavior and think Agnaa's suggestion is a good idea.

It's really not that enticing of a point when there are more Tier 0s in SCP than there are characters in entire other verses, much less characters above the Tier 5 range. That's why people aren't pushing that side of things extremely hard, it doesn't really negate the problem at hand.
Renitr
Hi. Sorry for bother you again, I know you haven't watched The Ones Who lives but need your help. In this thread, there was a dispute about the feat associated with the explosion and power of explosion. I'm not sure about the correctness of this feat because the explosion is actually very illogical. Can you give you input here pls
Post in thread 'Possibly Chance in TWD upgrade' https://vsbattles.com/threads/possibly-chance-in-twd-upgrade.167413/post-6509294
Lloydblitzed
Can I get your input on this minor CRT? We only need 1 more staff input
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Ninjago Abilities Upgrade

Well, these are abilities I was supposed to add them two weeks ago, but I was waiting until they were completed a Conceptual Manipulation, which Minaaaa explained, and now I will add a number of abilities for Ninja and some Ninjago characters. Kai: Explosion Manipulation (Fier elemental she can...
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Lloydblitzed
Can you check this minor CRT? We only 1 more staff input
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Ninjago Abilities Upgrade

Well, these are abilities I was supposed to add them two weeks ago, but I was waiting until they were completed a Conceptual Manipulation, which Minaaaa explained, and now I will add a number of abilities for Ninja and some Ninjago characters. Kai: Explosion Manipulation (Fier elemental she can...
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CuteAnimeNekoGirl99
Hmm! things Niko wants to do on the VSBW now that she has more free time

  • Family Guy Buffs
  • Super Mario Supershow Profile Recreation uvu
DavidTPPM
Hi, could you please check out this thread? It's a pretty simple calc application
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The God Of High School - Lifting strength upgrades

This should be a fairly simple thread. Setto already did almost everything for me. We have a "new" calc for lifting strength for Daewi pushing Jupiter away. This upgrades majority of the verse to Multi-Stellar. Who scales? the OG Yeoui (duh) Daewis telekinesis (duh 2) Okhwang should scale to...
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The_King_of_Prudence
I have a Precure thread.
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Precure All Stars overhaul (and a few Fresh notes)

Firstly, we should restore the Futari wa profiles (Cure Black, Cure White, Dark King and maybe Shiny Luminous), to make it clear what everyone's All Stars keys scale to. Speaking of which, it should be "All Stars", not "Post-All Stars", as All Stars never ended (it took a break, during which...
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