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Battle of the immortal dark mages: Zeref vs Galbatorix

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Zeref vs galbatorix
Conditions

+ Base Zeref

+ Speed is equalized

+ both are serious

+ they fight in Ur├╗'baen

+ win by any means

+ both are in character

+ Shruikan is far away

Galbatorix: 7 (KinkestSins, Delta3000, Gargoyle One, MrKingOfNegativity, Monarch Laciel, KuuIchigo, God-King Superman77)

Zeref: 0

Inconclusive: 2 (WilliamShadow, Omega998)
 
What does the 'Resistance' on Zeref's profile refer to? Does anyone know?
 
I have no idea, since his profile on fairy tail wiki says nothing about this, I guess its related to his Immortality.
 
Death words work by telekinetically tweaking some blood vessel in the brain or heart to kill the person. I doubt they'd work on Zeref.

How's Zeref's resistance to mind hax though? Can it stand against hundreds of insane dragons breaking into his mind at once? Can he stand being put under a complex and realistic illusion where time is moving slower or faster to make it seem like he's been there for days when really its only been a few minutes, or vice versa?
 
There's also Galbatorix's ability to read minds. Is Zeref capable of sensing this? And if so, does he have any sort of defense against it?

If not, then that's already one clear disadvantage right there.
 
Plus, if any of Zeref's spells require verbal statements, Name of Name negates.
 
Basically, if Zeref has no resistance to mind manipulation that can protect him from hundreds of insane dragons, plus Galbatorix's own mental powers, he gets mind haxed and probably forced to convert his own body into energy.
 
Pretty much. Really, this is the case with any fight involving a fully-powered Galbatorix, when you stop and think about it...

Even without that though, Galbatorix's wards plus his entire collection of Eldunari? I'm seeing spell negation for days, especially with each ward drawing from the Eldunari and not his own physical energy.
 
Considering how fast Dragons can regain their energy, just by cycling through his use of each dragon's energy he would have an effectively limitless supply too.
 
Wait. Does Zeref even have a magical barrier of his own?

Because Christ man, if he doesn't...
 
Y'know, any sort of magic shield that can stop magic-based attacks without him having to tank them himself. Does he have one?

If Zeref doesn't have that, then this 'battle' could easily consist of him taking hits from Galbatorix's physical magic while Galbatorix himself takes...nothing. No damage at all.
 
Oh, you mean wards.

Point. Galbatorix's wards would stop any attack (excluding Death Magic) from hitting him until he outright loses all stamina, but with hundreds of Dragons backing him up, I doubt he'd run out of stamina before mind haxing Zeref into oblivion
 
Pretty sure he doesn't use it offensively in character, while Galbatorix mind haxes from the start.
 
If Galbatorix starts the battle with wards already up, then that time stop most likely won't mean anything anyway.
 
Well zeref shpuld resistance from all his demon ability well except MM cos that still unknown i guess
 
Possibly, but I don't think any of his demons have mind hax on the level of Galbatorix.
 
But he's not, though.

They're both High 6-C. And Gal is only on that tier via his magic. He's not even beyond Tier 9 as far as his physicals go.

EDIT: Just going by the profile, Seilah loses even harder than Zeref does.
 
Well i don't understand how macro work exactly since she can even supass his limit with it
 
One thing zeref creat demon all his demon want to kill his self does that meant he has mind manipulation? Just wonder
 
No. Creating something with a predetermined mindset is different to mind controlling something with their own mind.
 
Oh wow, uhhh, Zeref Advantages -Higher with AP (Has an actual island busting feat vs speculation)

- Regen

-Resistance to His Own Death Magic (Zeref is immortal, I think that is what he is resistant too, but I have to reread fairy tail.)

-Sure speed is equalized, but teleportation is a pain and almost all of Gali spells have a cast time.

-Less Arrogant

-TIME STOP (forgot he had that in base tbh)

- Death Magic should possibly put him down.

Galabotrix Advantages -More versatile

-Combat Telepathy (Has the general idea of what someone is going to do in battle)

- Even if the name of magic is an Eragon only thing, his mind hax should still work on Zeref.

-Radi Manipulation and Mind Hax puts Zeref Down.

Inconclusive on:

Experience: Yes Zeref has more experience via years, but Gali has a better variety of experience. I give him alot of shit as a villain, but he was.

A. An experience dragon rider.

B. An pretty good tactictian in war, comparable to Zeref even.

C. A schemer, he tricked all the dragon riders and defeated all of them.

I am going to chalk this up to inconclusive, but Zeref has about 380+ years of exp, while Gali has 110+, you guys decide.

... thats about it.

This is a hard matchup because Zeref is probably the only character I like in fairy tail. But I have to unfortunately go with Galabotrix


He is just too versatile and Zeref has no defense against mind hax, so theoritically Galabotrix can take control of Zerefs mind and then blow him up or irradiate him and he is done.

They both are ruthless characters though, so it can go either way. Teleportation and timestop will be annoying for him to deal with (Although I do want to add Zeref has not used time stop in combat, I assume it is because he is hinted at using all of mavis spells that he can stop time, but this has no combat purposes so it is your choice to ignore this)

Overall, Galabotrix via versatility, mind and radi hax with mid high diff...

....but if you gave Zeref book of end, and some prep time, he probably takes this handily since those demons are wicked powerful, some also have good hax too. Maybe you should add a second round where you gave him the book of end and made it fair? Or fairy heart? Lul.
 
Yeeeaaah, I'm gonna go with with Galbatorix. There is literally no way Zeref can win here.

Best-case scenario: Galbatorix's wards completely wall every attack Zeref tries to hit him with, while Gal's more physical magic wears the mage down to nothing. With quite literally hundreds of Eldunari providing energy for the wards, Gal won't even lose stamina.

Worst-case scenario: Gal mentally dominates Zeref with mindhax until the latter is left crying. Then he proceeds to destroy him with magic.
 
MrKingOfNegativity said:
Yeeeaaah, I'm gonna go with with Galbatorix. There is literally no way Zeref can win here.

Best-case scenario: Galbatorix's wards completely wall every attack Zeref tries to hit him with, while Gal's more physical magic wears the mage down to nothing. With quite literally hundreds of Eldunari providing energy for the wards, Gal won't even lose stamina.

Worst-case scenario: Gal mentally dominates Zeref with mindhax until the latter is left crying. Then he proceeds to destroy him.
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Yeah, that makes sense. Although wanna add if he had his book, it could be different. Some demons ignore durability like this one [[https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mard_Gear

I dropped ft around this time too so I can debate these demons very easily and they can also probably kill Galabotrix by sheer numbers (but that would probably be unfair in essence)
 
Well, for starters, I don't think Galbatorix's wards are 'conventional' durability. They're magic-based, and they're explicitly designed to block magic.

As far as that demon himself goes, baseline Galbatorix's magic is already above his tier. With his collection of Eldunari powering him up, he could completely obliterate him in a single attack. I don't know how potent the 'Magic Absorption' mentioned on his profile is, but unless he's absorbed attacks on-par with fully-amped Gal, I don't really see that working here either.

Also, I should have asked this earlier, but is outside help even allowed? Because Gal's dragon is restricted from use. (Though admittedly, Shruikan would be fodder here unless wards were placed on him as well.)
 
MrKingOfNegativity said:
Well, for starters, I don't think Galbatorix's wards are 'conventional' durability. They're magic-based, and they're explicitly designed to block magic.

As far as that demon himself goes, baseline Galbatorix's magic is already above his tier. With his collection of Eldunari powering him up, he could completely obliterate him in a single attack. I don't know how potent the 'Magic Absorption' mentioned on his profile is, but unless he's absorbed attacks on-par with fully-amped Gal, I don't really see that working here either.

Also, I should have asked this earlier, but is outside help even allowed? Because Gal's dragon is restricted from use. (Though admittedly, Shruikan would be fodder here unless wards were placed on him as well.)
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Hax is hax, also, demon magic isnt magic. It is curses. So it should work. Also, as for the wards part, theoritically zeref could time stop and kill him. Or with fairy heart, this argument is especially clear. But again, this is speculation. Hax works on everyone regardless on what tier you are in. That is why it is called hax. It is ridiculous, but goku should get one shotted by the killing curse cuz he has no resistance to death. That is why hax is unfair generally. And existence erasure is the pinnacle of hax, all zeref and mard need to, mind you just the two, just stop time and he erases galabotrix from existence with his curse.
 
well, wards don't actually block magic. They block the effects.

IC magic is basically coding - you say a string of words in the ancient language, and those words warp reality to make themselves true. So Galbatorix probably has a bunch of wards on him saying things like "stop me burning", "stop me being stabbed", "stop me having limbs randomly broken", "stop me being slowed down by time shenanigans (in the case of Angela)", etc etc

So they should still work against curses.

I doubt blocking existence erasure has ever been a thing though.
 
I also wasn't saying Galbatorix's tier meant that he could survive hax from Mard. Just meant that one attack would be enough to put an end to the demon.

As far as I've seen, Meosos usually has the Inheritance characters start with wards already in place whenever he puts them in fights (probably to prevent the old 'X character dies before they can place their wards' argument), so time stopping likely won't give him the advantage here that you might think. Also, it was argued by Monarch that Zeref doesn't use his time-stopping ability offensively, whereas Gal is likely to start the fight off with his mindhax.

Another thing is; Galbatorix is still capable of reading Zeref's mind, which would let him know what he's planning and most likely just prompt him to use his hax even faster.
 
Actually... point. I'm pretty sure Angela says that her time stop powers would be useless against Galbatorix, so... yeah. Not sure time stop will help Zeref.
 
Monarch Laciel said:
Actually... point. I'm pretty sure Angela says that her time stop powers would be useless against Galbatorix, so... yeah. Not sure time stop will help Zeref.
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Forgot about that, so sure. That makes sense.
 
So where do we all stand at this point? My vote already went to Galbatorix for the reasons that were outlined. What about you guys?
 
I change my vote slightly from Galabotrix mid high to just mid diff. I dont think he should have too much trouble. Even with fairy heart, I dont think he can win. I still stand curses will get past his magic barrier, but that is a hypothetical and zeref does not have curses. And even if it was just 'resistance' Zeref is more fragile per se So my vote is unchanged.
 
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