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Lucemon Vs Lucifer (SMT)
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Notice how both have a version of almost the same attack ovo
Root of Evil(Almighty Attack that randomly deals the following effects: HP Reduction by 1/2, 3/4 or 9/10, Inflicts Mute, Poison or Stun)
Dead or Alive/Ultimate Sacrifice: It uses an orb of light to hold the target in place and mixes it with an orb of darkness to trap the target in two rotating spheres. It explodes moments later, either instantly killing whoever is trapped inside or grievously wounding them to the point of incapacitation. However, it's possible for a fusion-based being to escape by separating into their component parts. In Cyber Sleuth, Dead or Alive gain the added effects of having the chance to cause multiple crippling statuses at once, including instant death. These statuses are:
Root of Evil(Almighty Attack that randomly deals the following effects: HP Reduction by 1/2, 3/4 or 9/10, Inflicts Mute, Poison or Stun)
Dead or Alive/Ultimate Sacrifice: It uses an orb of light to hold the target in place and mixes it with an orb of darkness to trap the target in two rotating spheres. It explodes moments later, either instantly killing whoever is trapped inside or grievously wounding them to the point of incapacitation. However, it's possible for a fusion-based being to escape by separating into their component parts. In Cyber Sleuth, Dead or Alive gain the added effects of having the chance to cause multiple crippling statuses at once, including instant death. These statuses are:
- Turning Weaknesses into resistances and vice versa.
- Paralysis, Poison, Confusion/Panic, Sleep and Stun.
- Turning one into a sprite and nullifying all their powers.
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OVO
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The real question is; "How long will we continue to ignore this thread and not vote?" ovo
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I'd have to go with Lucifer because of somethings that imply that he is Omnipresent across Time in the Multiverse.
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Well so is Lucemon
>Remember that is True Lucemon
Give me a sec. ovo
>Remember that is True Lucemon
Give me a sec. ovo
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What if Lucy bust the multiverse. I don't think Immeasurable and Omnipresent are that big of a gap. At least that's what I heard.
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Blowing up the Multiverse and the concept of time won't affect Lucifer at all, see the ending of Nocturne.
"God says, "I am Alpha and Omega." This is the beginning and end, in other words, everything in the world is God's work. Lucifer, the king of the dark, embodies all of the dark side of the world. If creation is the work of God, destruction is the work of Lucifer. The two may be related to each other like personas. So the concept was an intellectual-looking child seeing from the beginning to the end (the future), an old man who views the present in a considerate manner, and, depending on the player's choice, a sinister demon." - Kazuma Kaneko
Lucifer embodies all Chaotic / Dark things in existence, and is also the embodiment of destruction. And his appearances as a both a child and an old man is to represent how he views time.
"Heh... Looks like I've been killed again. I had originally thought that we were superior to you, I am starting to realize that may have been a mistaken assumption on my part. We and you are just...different, that's all. The more I think about it, the more that seems to be the case... It was definitely that way before, but you're the main players in this world. The world may be ours but you are the ones at its core. Are we nothing but supporting characters? Hmm....
Everything has a back and a front. This is true for all matters. You may have thought that you killed YHVH, but on a larger scale, that is just for an instant, a mere blink of an eye. Don't get me wrong, you definitely did kill him, but one could also say that it's impossible to kill him as well. This is the flow of time, the front and the back.
Using YHVH as an example, existences like my own...in a way I always exist, and YHVH also exists everywhere. The end result for this time around...well, let's just say I remain inside you. It feels kind of good here. I think I'll stay here, just for a little bit. Oh, don't worry, I won't be here forever. It'll be just an instant, a mere blink of an eye.
Soon the next main player will appear. And so will I...And also..."
^ Lucifer explaining how he perceives time.
"God says, "I am Alpha and Omega." This is the beginning and end, in other words, everything in the world is God's work. Lucifer, the king of the dark, embodies all of the dark side of the world. If creation is the work of God, destruction is the work of Lucifer. The two may be related to each other like personas. So the concept was an intellectual-looking child seeing from the beginning to the end (the future), an old man who views the present in a considerate manner, and, depending on the player's choice, a sinister demon." - Kazuma Kaneko
Lucifer embodies all Chaotic / Dark things in existence, and is also the embodiment of destruction. And his appearances as a both a child and an old man is to represent how he views time.
"Heh... Looks like I've been killed again. I had originally thought that we were superior to you, I am starting to realize that may have been a mistaken assumption on my part. We and you are just...different, that's all. The more I think about it, the more that seems to be the case... It was definitely that way before, but you're the main players in this world. The world may be ours but you are the ones at its core. Are we nothing but supporting characters? Hmm....
Everything has a back and a front. This is true for all matters. You may have thought that you killed YHVH, but on a larger scale, that is just for an instant, a mere blink of an eye. Don't get me wrong, you definitely did kill him, but one could also say that it's impossible to kill him as well. This is the flow of time, the front and the back.
Using YHVH as an example, existences like my own...in a way I always exist, and YHVH also exists everywhere. The end result for this time around...well, let's just say I remain inside you. It feels kind of good here. I think I'll stay here, just for a little bit. Oh, don't worry, I won't be here forever. It'll be just an instant, a mere blink of an eye.
Soon the next main player will appear. And so will I...And also..."
^ Lucifer explaining how he perceives time.
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While I'm not voting on the basis of having no idea who wins, gotta drop my two cents and say that indeed Blowing up the Multiverse is inconsequential to Lucifer. In fact, his objective in the TDE of Nocturne was all about destroying the Infinite Multiverse in its entirety, which he does accomplish through the Demi-Fiend and he is seen right after like "Nice!"
Wait until Cal sees this thread and utters to himself: "My time has arrived!"
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So I can finally comment on what I've missed. ovo
Lucemon embodies the same stuff actually....The irony. Anything that revolves around sin, Lucemon embodies. As such as long as sins exist, Lucemon will never fully die.
"Lucemon is totally connected to the existence of sin through the Multiverse, so long as sin exists Lucemon will always exist to be eternal, infinite, and absolute."
This is shared with the other SGDL.
So both embody almost the same things. Also the sins committed from simply facing them in combat transcend time and space.
And we do know that the Demon Lords are the ones who created the foundation of evil.
We even know that Lucemon himself created and transcends the concepts of Good and Evil.
And these concepts are a primal factor in the universe.
Now what does this all prove? Nothing, combat related honestly. Just that, Both Lucifer and Lucemon are incredibly similar in terms of conceptual embodiments. Also I didn't want Matt to out do me. ovo
Lucemon embodies the same stuff actually....The irony. Anything that revolves around sin, Lucemon embodies. As such as long as sins exist, Lucemon will never fully die.
"Lucemon is totally connected to the existence of sin through the Multiverse, so long as sin exists Lucemon will always exist to be eternal, infinite, and absolute."
This is shared with the other SGDL.
So both embody almost the same things. Also the sins committed from simply facing them in combat transcend time and space.
And we do know that the Demon Lords are the ones who created the foundation of evil.
| However, as the existence of the limits on Digimon are decoded, its own appears similar to nothingness, and it is said that it builds the foundation for the existence of wickedness in the Digital World. | ||
And these concepts are a primal factor in the universe.
Now what does this all prove? Nothing, combat related honestly. Just that, Both Lucifer and Lucemon are incredibly similar in terms of conceptual embodiments. Also I didn't want Matt to out do me. ovo
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There's also that Code Kay stuff that's very odd...
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I'm saving that for later. ovo
I just didn't want to be outdone. ovo
I just didn't want to be outdone. ovo
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Mmm...
This is completely unrelated, but does anyone know how to calc rock weights? Because I found a decent feat for SMT fodders.
This is completely unrelated, but does anyone know how to calc rock weights? Because I found a decent feat for SMT fodders.
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It may be best to ask Dark about that one. I could calc anything to save my life. lol
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This reminded me that I'm playing Digimon Savers Another Mission from picking up scans about the Dark Area and Lucemon, it might help to know more about what Lucemon embodies as a whole (And it's amazing how catching scans while playing is so much more fun than just go on youtube).
About the fight, so far I have no idea who would win
About the fight, so far I have no idea who would win
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Believe or not I'm going through Cyber Sleuth again to pick up on any misc Digimon feats. ovo
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These two don't want to lose even in the number of good and bad wings.
On a sidenote, /thread.
On a sidenote, /thread.
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One thing, Lucemon can switch to Satan Form? Or can he just stay in Falldown Mode?
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We will have to wait a bit due to Lucemon's new stuff thanks to Executor.
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They can expect that the Digimon franchise will end, but Lucemon will still be able to get some upgrades somehow (I can not wait for the translation of Re: Digitize Decode to end and with that come new information about Lucemon and the other SGDLs).
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>Digimon Ends
>Lucemon still gets upgrades.
>Only Lucemon. ovo
>Lucemon still gets upgrades.
>Only Lucemon. ovo
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Lucifer and pretty much anyone 2-A in SMT can destroy Non-Existent beings. (Maybe even below that but could be Game Mechanics. Anyways someone like Lucifer definitely can).Dragonmasterxyz said:
They destroyed all of the White in one occasion. And since Lucifer's range of destruction is way up there as well...
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So both can do the same...
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How does one give a true victor when both fighters are quite literally the same character? Just from a different series...
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I fail to say how anyone wins here, being completely honest.
Ridiculously varied offensive and defensive skillset? Check for both.
Extremely up there on the scale of 2-A? Check for both.
Being able to destroy things on a extremely complex level? Check for both.
Who wins? Uuuuuhh...
Ridiculously varied offensive and defensive skillset? Check for both.
Extremely up there on the scale of 2-A? Check for both.
Being able to destroy things on a extremely complex level? Check for both.
Who wins? Uuuuuhh...
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I vote Inconclusive, indeed.
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Yeah, inconclusive. Reasons above.
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