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Rimuru Tempest Upgrades

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So the profile for Rimuru Tempest is severely lowballed, he is missing a lot of abilities and his speed and ap needs an upgrade.

First however he should have 2 keys, before becoming an awakened demon lord, and after becoming an awakened demon lord. Before becoming an awakened demon lord, rimuru should be town level, he is superior to arc demons who are stated to be comparable to tactical nukes , which is also proven when an arc demon class character, used a nuclear strike attack.

Rimuru should have subsonic combat speed being superior to storm wolves which are subsonic with supersonic reaction speed as he stated due to his enhanced perception he can dodge supersonic attacks. He should also have speed of light attack speed with meggido, it basically uses water droplets similar to convex lenses which he uses to focus sunlight and shoot, also stated to be lightspeed

After becoming an awakened demon lord, rimuru should be continent level. He is superior to leon who can destroy his city, said city is actually gigantic being comparable to a continent.

His speed should be relativistic+, for being superior to leon who is stated to be almost the speed of light, which is legit cause leon can use photons to attack, fodder characters like hinata can use lightspeed attacks like disintegration, rimuru can also use this attack as well, and he also dodged veldora's storm blast which attacks with electromagnetic waves, i know it says the attack travels at over mach 100, well by virtue of being an electromagnetic wave it should be lightspeed and lightspeed is over mach 100. So in short rimuru should have relativistic+ combat speed with lightspeed attack speed.

Rimuru also has a lot of abilities and resistances that need to be added but they are pretty straight forward, the only thing that warrants discussion is concept manipulation. Basically a character who is in rimuru's food chain which basically allows him to gain all the skills of his subordinates, and vice versa they can gain some of his skills, the character destroyed a castle reinforced with concept fixation. The character's fixation is the ability to stop things, molecules, time etc. No explanation is given on what concept fixation does but the name implies the character used concept manipulation, i personally think giving rimuru this ability is shaky.
 
One little thing that should be good to note is that Hinata also has a (probably) FTL attack which is Melt Slash. Melt Slash is stated to be her fastest and strongest attack, this would mean that her Melt Slash attack should be faster than Disintegration which is stated to be lightspeed. And nah Pegasus, Hinata ain't fodder

Here's the excerpt in question

ÒÇîI will not lose! Even if my opponent is the invincible Hero. I will defeat you and I will advance beyond you! Take this, Melt Slash!!ÒÇì(Hinata)

Hinata challenged the Hero to a match with the fastest, strongest technique she has.
 
Isn't melt slash like a downgraded version of absolute sever which cuts through space? Just curious, anyway not really sure about it being FTL though, that quote doesn't say melt slash>disintegration.

And yea hinata is fodder in the grant scheme of things she isn't awakened demon lord level, she can probably take on fodder like karion and frey though. She only gave rumiru trouble cause raphael wanted to absorb disintegration.
 
It is said to be "fastest, strongest technique she has" though. So i would say its faster than Disintegration. Don't remember Melt Slash to be a degraded version of Absolute Severance though
 
Where is it said to be the strongest technique? Would need quotes for that, would be ftl then i guess if it's>disintegration.

As for melt slash being a downgraded version of absolute severance, i remember something was said about the hero's attacks being similar to hinata's or something, i mean it would make sense since hinata is apart of the hero who is chole + hinata soul in one body, whatever not really that important.
 
It's right there right in my 1st reply to the thread CP

Hinata challenged the Hero to a match with the fastest, strongest technique she has.

^That's not me speaking but rather an excerpt from the novel itself
 
Ah, and the hero reacted to it and stabbed her in the heart from what i remember, said hero whom rimuru can keep up with, legit ftl i guess.
 
Rimuru's techniques also need to be restructured, currently it's a mess, how about we do it by skills, unique skills and ultimate skills.

Skills will have things like noxious mist breath which releases a corrosive breath, and other stuff like magic perception and heat detection.

Then all the unique skills he has like predation, mimicry and other stuff like gluttony which has decay which decomposes the target.

Then ultimate skills like wisdom king raphael, convent king uriel with infinite prison which seals the target in endless time and imaginary space. and the mult-layered barrier. Also the ultimate skills like wisdom king raphael or ciel.

Then an others section which list skills which don't fall under any i mentioned above like his future attack prediction, we don't know if it's just a skill or unique or ultimate.
 
Then his current Ultimate Skills listed on his page can stay as it is. Just need to add other stuff like Magic, Unique Skill, and other stuff
 
What do you think about the concept manipulation part, i think it's shaky, but fab thinks it's legit.
 
Lol come on you gotta side with someone, guess me and fab gotta discuss it then. Velzard's power is deceleration while her sister's is acceleration, velzard can stop the moisture in the air to create ice, stop time etc, her sister can speed up the moisture in the air, and restart time stops.

What exactly would a concept fixation be then, logically the castle concept was stopped so it couldn't be destroyed, her sister with the opposing ability of acceleration simply restarted that concept and destroyed the castle.

Might be making too many assumptions though since concept fixation wasn't explained, but it's pretty obvious i think what the ability would entail.
 
I am on the fence, i think it's pretty obvious what the ability would entail, but the ability wasn't explained. All this would give rimuru though is the ability to restart concepts that are stopped, and speed them up. I don't really think it would be that useful anyway.

He already will get his subordinates ridiculous abilities like illusions that reality warp and being able to change anything for example his subordinate shion with her ability cook can say cut off a persons limbs and the wounds can't be healed cause she overwrites the nature of an object itself so the person whose limbs got cut off, their limb less self would be the new norm so they are already perfectly healthy so healing won't work, basically reality warping, she can change the nature of anything to what she wants, then there is also probability manipulation which rimuru has from veldora.


So don't particularly care either way for concept manipulation, he is already pretty hax.
 
I don't think that restarting is an appropriate choice of word CP. Its pretty straightforward that Raguel's ability is just based around [Acceleration]. So if this conceptual bit is legit, it would be more of a "Velzard's ability stop a concept but Velgrynd's ability made them not stopped" rather than "Velzard's ability stop a concept but Velgrynd's ability restart that concept so it can move again"
 
What would that even mean in a fight though seems kinda useless to me, it's not like rimuru will get velzard's ability to stop concepts but veldrynd's ability to make concepts not stop, it's really a very specific situational ability.

However whether it's useless or not if it's an ability rimuru has, it needs to be listed still think it's kinda shaky whether velzard legit has concept manipulation since it was never explained what concept fixation does.
 
A specific conceptual shenanigans is still a conceptual shenanigans though. And i already said previously as to why i think its legit, so i don't think there's anything more i want to say regarding this problem. Will have to ask for other's opinions i guess ?
 
The issue is we are literally basing this around the attack name of a ability, no explanation was provided for the ability, i don't think we can accept it as legit concept manipulation for those reasons.

We need more input though yes.
 
I think that the first post seems to make sense.
 
We discussed above though that since hinata used her fastest and strongest technique, melt slash against the hero, and not disintegration which is a lightspeed attack, it logically means melt is is FTL, and the hero easily reacted to and overpowered the attack, and rimuru fought evenly with the hero so he should be FTL, not to mention rimuru absorbed and obtained melt slash for himself as well.

As for the concept manipulation stuff lets forget about that, this thread is unlikely to get more input, we already have support for continent level and FTL rimuru, the concept stuff would just be making assumptions based of an attack name, and the attack "concept fixation" was also never explained.
 
While we are waiting on more input for his ap and speed change, i will add the other skills and techniques rimuru has in the meantime.
 
If the other staff are alright with this then it's fine with me as well. Although I don't know too much about the series.
 
Ok, so should i perform the changes or wait a bit more? Already have multiple staff agreeing here, and this is not likely to get more input.
 
Maybe wait a bit more and if still no input then eventually add them.
 
If i don't get anymore input between now and when i wake up tomorrow so in like 15 hours, i will upgrade rimuru.

Already added all his notable abilities all that's left is to make the 2 keys and do the speed and ap upgrades.
 
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